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Dealing with Desperation Tilt Dealing with Desperation Tilt

12-29-2018 , 03:56 AM
To begin I'll give you some background info about my poker career. I have been playing between 20-50 hours a week from Fall 2004 to present. From 2004-2015 I played mainly LHE online and live. About 3 years ago when the games started to become more reg infested and mid-high stakes LHE became largely a defunct game on the east coast I switched to NL live, mostly 1/3 and 2/5.

My main problem is not that I play bad or am uneducated about poker. I belong to training sites like run it once and crush live poker but I can't seem to maintain my A or B game psychologically after I lose a huge pot or two in NL. Could anyone give me some suggestions to what their personal experiences have been? I really don't want to have to move out to Colorado or Arizona, but I might be just better suited to LHE even though fundamentally I am a small winner at NL.
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12-30-2018 , 02:07 AM
the big bet games are emotionally challenging, everyone goes through this

one thing that helps me is using the odds oracle simulator (crude equity calculator, its free) after losing hands. I like to check the equities and make sure I was ahead, considering pot odds and everything.

if you 'get the money in good,' and generally make the right play, then losing doesn't matter, ten thousand hands from now justice will be served

Last edited by +EVillain; 12-30-2018 at 02:17 AM.
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12-31-2018 , 05:54 AM
It's interesting how the mind clings to stability. How when things don't go our way, a flood of emotions and thoughts take over completely absorbing our reality.

Explore this (not through thinking) but perhaps noticing where these emotions have physiological responses in the body. Notice the 'pull' these emotions have. How it sets off a powerful flood of thoughts. Observe the thoughts that actually arise.

Investigate. And understand the workings of your own mind.
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12-31-2018 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiggs
It's interesting how the mind clings to stability. How when things don't go our way, a flood of emotions and thoughts take over completely absorbing our reality.

Explore this (not through thinking) but perhaps noticing where these emotions have physiological responses in the body. Notice the 'pull' these emotions have. How it sets off a powerful flood of thoughts. Observe the thoughts that actually arise.

Investigate. And understand the workings of your own mind.
+1
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01-04-2019 , 07:58 AM
First thing to do is step away from the table. You do not want to play another hand while you're in that mindset.

Second, use some mindfulness techniques to calm down and refocus. Count to 10 and then do some deep breathing. It sounds cheesy but it is scientifically sound. Take 10 deep breaths in through your nose and exhale through your mouth slowly and you will feel calmer.

Finally, find yourself some mantras you can repeat to yourself. Things like, "I can't control the past, I can only control how I play from this point forward." Or, "Hands I've played before don't matter; all that matters is that I play the next hand to the best of my ability."

Keep doing this until it becomes second nature and you don't need to step away from the table. Eventually you will be able to calm yourself and refocus in a matter of seconds.
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01-08-2019 , 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by +EVillain
the big bet games are emotionally challenging, everyone goes through this

one thing that helps me is using the odds oracle simulator (crude equity calculator, its free) after losing hands. I like to check the equities and make sure I was ahead, considering pot odds and everything.

if you 'get the money in good,' and generally make the right play, then losing doesn't matter, ten thousand hands from now justice will be served
This is great advice. Get up, walk away from the table for a couple hands. Check poker stove or your app of choice to see if you made the right move. Text a friend who plays poker to discuss the hand. You'll calm down and become more analytical, and it will prevent you from doing something rash in the heat of the moment.
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01-09-2019 , 10:29 PM
For me the biggest hurdle is this type of thought progression with bluffcatchers on the flop and turn:

a) he bet, so i put him on a range
b) I don't have a draw, but i can beat a bluff
c) I can't beat any real value hands.
d) **** it I call because he could be bluffing enough to make calling profitable.

This is a poor thought process for no limit, yet it's a much less severe problem in limit games.

Now, I change (d) to this:

d) I fold because calling is likely breakeven at best.

Money saved is money earned in this case.
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01-15-2019 , 01:16 PM
People bluff a lot less than one would think. Every bluff gets shown on TV (because it's interesting no matter the outcome) but all the humdrum hands don't get shown. This makes it look like pros are constantly bluffing. Not so.
Also: A bluff - if it wins - makes a lot less money than a value hand (since you're not paying the last bet(s)).
Unnecessarily paying off a value hand is a lot more costly than unnnecessarily folding to an occasional bluff. If you want to stuff a leak then eliminating the former is higher priority than eliminating the latter.
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a) he bet, so i put him on a range
Depends. A c-bet can still mean pretty much anything these days.
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b) I don't have a draw, but i can beat a bluff
c) I can't beat any real value hands.
True - but are you willing to put three streets of calls on that read? That's a losing proposition. If he's betting he'll likely bet again next street. Particularly if he actually does have a hand. Now what? Unless the guy is a hyper LAG whom you know bluffs way too often this is financial suicide.
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d) **** it I call because he could be bluffing enough to make calling profitable.
(Bold mine)
At this point you're just guessing. Guessing isn't a profitable way to play poker. If you don't know that he bluffs way too often (by observing how many hands he plays and how aggerssively he plays them) then you're just asking to be taken to the cleaners.
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01-15-2019 , 01:24 PM
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one thing that helps me is using the odds oracle simulator
I use this site. Easier to click stuff than just type it in. Yeah...I'm lazy that way
https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-too...r/texas-holdem
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01-15-2019 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by antialias
People bluff a lot less than one would think. Every bluff gets shown on TV (because it's interesting no matter the outcome) but all the humdrum hands don't get shown. This makes it look like pros are constantly bluffing. Not so.
Also: A bluff - if it wins - makes a lot less money than a value hand (since you're not paying the last bet(s)).
Unnecessarily paying off a value hand is a lot more costly than unnnecessarily folding to an occasional bluff. If you want to stuff a leak then eliminating the former is higher priority than eliminating the latter.

Depends. A c-bet can still mean pretty much anything these days.

True - but are you willing to put three streets of calls on that read? That's a losing proposition. If he's betting he'll likely bet again next street. Particularly if he actually does have a hand. Now what? Unless the guy is a hyper LAG whom you know bluffs way too often this is financial suicide.

(Bold mine)
At this point you're just guessing. Guessing isn't a profitable way to play poker. If you don't know that he bluffs way too often (by observing how many hands he plays and how aggerssively he plays them) then you're just asking to be taken to the cleaners.
Did you even finish reading my post? Seems like you totally missed the point.
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