I've been playing online poker since I was 15. Since then I would win 2k-3k here and there then eventually go broke no matter what. Then around a few years ago after black friday I played on sites like carbon poker that had easy access to casino games like roulette. This is when my downfall really began and I would go broke even faster.

Ive recently began playing on americas cardroom which also has easy casino access. This past week Ive deposited and lost about 1800 dollars mostly in roulette although maybe 300 of it from poker. My net worth is down to 500 dollars and I don't know what to do at this point. I tried to block the casino and even get it permanently blocked which they said it was. But through persistent negotiation with their support my casino is now unblocked again.

All I want to do is make a consistent income of 70k+ from online poker. Thats all I want. Last night for instance I had 300 in my account and hit the roulette table and ran it up to 965 dollars. Then grinded some 25nl and lost 120 dollars there. So through anger I hit up the roulette tables putting 20 bucks on 0 only to brick out about 40 spins and busted another roll.

After last night I was 100% sure I was completely done with poker and would never play ever again. But then I remembered I had 30 bucks left in my rakeback account so i redeemed that and hit up the roulette tables. Putting 3 bucks on 0 and missing each time to go broke again.

I just need this madness to stop and need some stability in my game. It's like after a certain point of grinding eight 6 max cash tables for hours on end I just seem to reach my breaking point and lose control and start playing bad and then after losing massive amounts of money from playing bad I get even more angry and hit the roulette tables knowing if I hit 0 I will be able to feel better and snap out of this rage. Sometimes this works and I get lucky but most of the time I end up broke and confused.

I know some will say quit poker and work a regular job but I don't want to do that ever. I've devoted a very very long time into this game and although I have nothing to show for my efforts I don't want to give it up. I just need a way to control the degen nature inside of me and be able to control myself at the tables. And reach my poker dreams.


Cliff notes: Been playing online poker for 10 years and constantly broke.
After black friday discovered roulette and since then I have not been able to keep a bankroll longer than a few days at most.
Trying to earn 70k+ playing online poker but can't because of degen problem.
Looking for an answer other than quitting poker and any advice on what to do with my last 500 dollars.

Yep, you're asking for advice on how to do what you can't do. If you keep playing right now, it will be difficult for you not to be completely broke very soon. Poker isn't going anywhere -- why not play when you actually have money and more self-control?

Well I always thought I could grind my way from 2nl to mid stakes like all these stories you hear of people doing. So I definitely have enough for 2nl and even 10 nl at this point. Now the self control issue is one I would like to discuss further. I am not entirely sure how I can get it? I clearly wasn't born with great self control and have read many poker books on the mental game without much results. It is like some bomb gets set off in me after grinding a lot of tables after a certain point and usually I don't even know its been triggered till I am pressing the spin button at the roulette table and feeling this incredible rush yet seeing my bankroll dwindling down till its gone.

I definitely need a break however a break by itself won't "Cure" me. I need some way to play 5-6 of hours of poker a day while mass tabling tilt free. I need a way to play without going through a minor downswing and rushing to the roulette table to chase losses. I will admit there was a time or two where I had a big winning session and still hit the roulette tables. So I obviously need to eliminate casino games from my life. Yet even before roulette was available I had an issue of chasing losses playing higher stakes than I could afford.

So before I make my next deposit I'm going to try to figure out some way to have complete control of my actions regardless of the results of my session.

Self control is the ability to do what all your emotions tell you not to do. Try to exercise it in other areas of your life. Finish some level of higher education. It trains self control immensely. And if you can't, then what makes you think that you will be able to exercise it at a poker table? It is more difficult at a poker table because the emotions run higher and because you have a gambling addiction. To exercise self control in an addiction situtation is incredibly tough.

First of all,i think you need to set some more down to earth,achievable goals.

You cant start right away playing 6 tables,expecting to win 70K+ and getting angry with yourself if you fail.You cant run a marathon without knowing how to jog.

Start playing 3-4 tables daily of micro stakes,if 2NL is too small and irrelevant for you then 0,5-10c,but not higher,1 or 2 times a day,each session lasting about 2 hours max.Do this for a couple of months,and if you see that youre making money and could add some table/hours to your schedule then absolutely do it.Prove to yourself that you can beat the micros before setting a 70K goal.

Needless to say that you should stay away from roulette,BJ and all that crap.If some day you win a big amount of money and you feel tempted,just cash out a big chunk(obviously an amount that wont affect your roll for the stakes your currently playing) and spend it on anything but gambling(even if that has to be hookers and blow).

If you have access to Stars,play only there as they dont offer casino games.
If youre from the US,try to find a site that offers only poker and exclude permanently yourself from the others that do.

Follow said post quoted, most sensible advice for OP's request.
G'luck bra'h.

Gambling is not for you. Move on. Looking back, you'll be glad you did.

don't play online casino games op

Your out of ****ing control man period...With that said I can relate ....I have been playing since I was 16 and Im 28 now...throughout my 20's I have ran $100 or $200 up too around 4-5k...No matter what tho I have always ended up going busto...Not always because of degen probs like you even though I have put mass amounts on Baccarat trying to get even after losing 3 or 4 buy ins ...I mostly just spew off my money playing live...

So here is the thing..Listen to me and understand what I say..Humans are most def creatures of habit..You have to break this cycle and create a NEW cycle PERIOD... Play good poker and win , and if you don't and you have a bad session you have to not worry about the money you lost and take the day off and play good ****ing poker the next day or when ever you decide to play again...Never no matter what play another casino game your entire ****ing life PERIOD!!

Once you start a cycle/habit of Playing your best and being able to control your urges not too play casino games when you lose youll be fine and you can work towards your 70k goal...Once you have a few losing sessions and dont try to chase losses on roulette or any casino games it will get easier and easier....

Keep 3 things in your mind and nothing else when online playing:

1.I will always play my best

2.I want too reach my goal(which should be quite smaller at first)

3.NEVER ****ING PLAY CASINO GAMES EVER!!


If your serious about poker then act like it....Also maybe start a thread on PG&C on twoplustwo and people will help you...GL OP

Ten years is more than a trend. Find another line of work.

This, seriously.

Juk

No offense or anything. Just my opinion. U should either quit poker or go down on stakes and start playing more safer and build up a bigger roll

I won't be as pessimistic in saying you need to quit poker forever because you obviously have a gambling problem. That's like saying don't drive a car ever again because you may die in the process. You need to accept your weakness and cut it out of your life, for you it is non poker gambling. This means you can only play poker, you can't make any "wager" of any sort, no sports, no other games. If you could somehow do this you have a chance for poker to be a positive part of your life. If you can't cut these vices out of your life, you need to quit poker there is more to life than something you have "put a lot of time into" when that something is bad for you.

The actual way I would implement this is by going cold turkey zero gambling. Then after a month or so try and reintroduce a light poker schedule. Use the time of not placing any wagers to really relax and take a vacation from all the madness. Poker isn't going anywhere it will be here when you get back. But if you do take a breather you will come back much better rested than you initially were.

I don't think your poker was ever that good to begin with. If it was, then you'd be able to take most bad beats in stride and watch the math lift you back up. I'm thinking you get on a bunch of heaters and win some big pots with some really thin value hands and then get destroyed when the deck reverts back to normal.

You've got a gambling problem. If you think the last, $30 what the heck lets blow it on roulette, then you have a gambling problem. Just think what $30 can buy. A shirt, pair jeans. You give your money away to some faceless strangers who probably don't deserve it.

Just stop playing the game and save your money.

Quit the casino games man

Stop gambling man. Get yourself a dead end job in some office oh you will feel the same but at least you will have money or as alternative take $25 and buy lotto tickets and pray to Jebus!! One time Jebus!!

its easy op:
just never play a level you dont have 30 buy ins for in your account. dont play casino games. get coaching/a trainings site subscription, post and discuss hands on strategy forums.
work a part time job to pay bills. work out, eat healthy. go away from the computer when you dont play/study. be happy.

thats how real crushers do/did

Love this post. I've basically done the opposite of everything you said and am now paying the price for it. I would like to say that I haven't played roulette in weeks now even though it feels like it has been months. I also worked out today for the first time in months. Diet is still crappy but going to make some changes with that as well. Overall I feel better than I ever had and have learned some big time life lessons through these failures I have had these past 10 years.

I can't say I know whether I will be a successful professional poker player or not, but I at least deserve to give myself a chance. So like always I appreciate all the helpful posts in this thread and I seem now able to have the self control needed to do the things I know I need to do. I will end this post with a quote from C.S. Lewis.

"Da lazy boy works harder in the end"-C.S. Lewis

Maybe masturbate before you log onto casino games?.

Can't ACR block specifically casino (not poker) links by your 'responsible gaming' request? (I guess its gambling license must force it to provide such an option. I'm not sure about the ****ty Costa-Rican license ACR has, but Gibraltar / Isle of Man licenses have such a requirement afaik.)

All I know is I blocked and unblocked my casino over 20 times no joke. I even had it permanently blocked and they told me I couldn't get it unblocked. Then after a few desperate emails of nonstop begging to get it unblocked, they asked me if I was going to be responsible for once. I shook my head no as I typed a nice and smooth yes. MANIPULATION COMPLETE.

This would've never worked on pokerstars is all i can say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7leQB_Oe_k

I used to play a little roulette years ago and i spent a whole lot of time either working or hanging out in casinos. Roulette is pretty much a suckers game, stick with poker and readjust what you are doing.

Well just would like to make an update here for those interested. I have decided to take a break from poker until I get my life back up in order. I am happier than I ever have been. I am doing things like exercise, self massage, eating fruits and veggies including smoothies! Ya know you hear people say all the time, get your life away from the table right before you play poker and other amazing advice that sounds almost too simple to be of any use. Well something kicked in recently and I decided to try and listen for once in my life, and its changed my life completely. I could go on and on but suffice to say Thank you errrbody!!!!

Contact me when you are ready to play again. I will coach/stake you!