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Originally Posted by Yadoula8
There is one kind of play that you can make to stop the opponent holding an advantage over you which is why I didn't say that. That kind of play is GTO.
This is 100% correct, but somewhat incomplete. You seem to ignore the fact that deviations from gto result in a loss of ev, which includes preflop errors. You're right that a maximally exploitive strategy will have higher ev than gto. Nobody is claiming otherwise neither here nor in the theory forum.
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These GTO strategies are making these poor guys literally go insane. They get angry, and then no matter what I say, I am always wrong because GTO.
Lol. I'm not angry in the least.
However, I am a bit frustrated that you haven't addressed any of the post that you only briefly describe here:
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If you look to Bobs long post, you can see the sort of logic that the GTO guys turn-to rather than accepting that they should use this natural strategic method.
I was hoping we could get to a discussion on preflop ev, but you seem more caught up with your own ideas, which speak nothing of ev.
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there are two ways to preadjust on the first round of betting:
a) fold hands that would be profitable to play vs worse opponents.
b) play hands that would be unprofitable to play vs tougher opponents.
Let's do an example:
I fold some hands vs tough players that I would raise vs bad players. For example: no limit holdem 100bb deep and I'm on the button with T7s. I fold vs tough blinds but would play vs bad blinds. I make the same type of preflop adjustments with many hands that I consider marginal. The further I think I am from the margin, the more convinced of my read I must be in order to change my default strategy. This is exactly because of the threat of counterexploitation. You don't give your opponents credit for being able to counter exploit, which is your problem, but you also seem to think that your theory is impervious to counter exploitation. Maybe I'm wrong on this point, but if I'm right, then I think this is something you could work on changing in both your mindset and your default strategy.