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Old 11-27-2018, 12:53 AM   #1
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Chasing losses and losing my winnings

Hello,

My name is Luuk and i am 19 years old. I play MTT's on 888poker and Pp. I have been playing poker for about 2 years now, i studied the game, watched alot of twitch and youtube videos and read a few books. I would call myself a decent poker player.

I have won between 1-3k alot of times and i managed to lose it every single time. when i bink a win for 1-3k i always try to stick to BRM but i just never succeed. normally i'll play 1-10$ mtt's but when i have 3k on my account and i bust a 55$ mtt which i sattied into i rebuy it and when i lose that i'll play a 109 or a 215 and tilt lose all my money.

It's also really hard for me to deal with downswings, as i tent to get angry very fast, also with soccer, video games etc, etc.

How can i fix this leak? because it is having a huge impact on my poker career. I have been playing for 2 years and i have never used a good bankrollmanagment. and lost everything i won. Is mental coaching an option or did any of you guys exprerience a simular situation?

Luuk
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Old 11-28-2018, 12:49 AM   #2
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Re: Chasing losses and losing my winnings

i think most players have gone through this in some way or another, i also think many players are capable of winning long term but chasing losses keeps them from retaining their roll

really there is nothing a mental coach can do for you that you cant do for yourself (this is my opinion, im sure there are some amazing coaches out there

the bottom line is that whatever it takes, whatever kind of mental gymnastics you have to do, dont chase after losses. i know its easier said than done. embracing the process of incremental growth is what its all about
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Old 11-28-2018, 01:13 AM   #3
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Re: Chasing losses and losing my winnings

And the solution is...

Quit when youíre tilting.
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Old 01-09-2019, 11:38 AM   #4
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Re: Chasing losses and losing my winnings

It's a common issue of the human mind and the neurological wiring of our brains.

You might find great use in the Human/Chimp/Computer neurological model from the book, The Chimp Paradox by Steve Peters.

Another book you might useful is Monkey Traps by Steve Hauptman. Personally, I think this is great book for poker players.

If you're wanting to go deeper (ie to the intrinsic nature of the human mind), take a look into Jiddu Krishnamurti.
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Old 01-16-2019, 02:57 PM   #5
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Re: Chasing losses and losing my winnings

I think this is almost a rite of passage for every poker player. Me, I played somewhat seriously many years ago and would grind up decent wins over long periods, hit a small losing streak, and then turn that into a giant losing streak by playing in stakes way above where I belong trying to get even quickly in a few big hands. I ended up quitting poker entirely for almost 5 years after the 2nd time I lost a full month's pay in 1 night chasing losses. I was never relying on poker for income, and the losses never affected my lifestyle, but psychologically losing that kind of money definitely affected me and I had to quit.

But I'm glad I did find that degenerate gambler part of me; the terrible experiences that guy put me through is what motivates me to never do those things again, because I still remember how awful it felt to grind through a full month of work thinking "I lost all compensation for my work this month in 1 hour of chasing losses at 1000NL, a game I never belonged in and was a huge fish in."The degenerate gambler is probably part of everyone to some extent. You're no different. Learn from these painful experiences of tilting off your whole bankroll, remember it the next time you're tempted to do it, and eventually you'll be able to resist that temptation.

Or if you never do (which is true of some people) then seriously consider quitting the game forever, and get professional help doing so if necessary.
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Old 01-20-2019, 12:26 PM   #6
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Re: Chasing losses and losing my winnings

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And the solution is...

Quit when youíre tilting.
worst advice ever; this is the equivalent of putting a band aid on an open wound


you need to identify the underlying flaws in your mental game; find the root of the problem or it will continue to happen again and again ;
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Old 01-21-2019, 03:40 AM   #7
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worst advice ever;;

Serious? Itís not that bad of advice. Itís better than telling someone whoís tilting that they should keep playing lol
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Old 01-21-2019, 12:12 PM   #8
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Re: Chasing losses and losing my winnings

It's good in the short term but I don't feel it is a good solution in the long run
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Old 01-24-2019, 03:07 AM   #9
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Re: Chasing losses and losing my winnings

You can't deal with tilt by dealing with it directly. The best way to address it is by balancing the rest of your life. If your life is fulfilling, poker will be a hell of a lot more enjoyable, win or lose. Your life outside of poker is what will actually bring you the most success at it.
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Old 01-24-2019, 05:52 PM   #10
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Re: Chasing losses and losing my winnings

A lot of people will probably laugh at my advice, but I am completely serious:

Buy yourself a pair of boxing gloves and a small punching bag or get a 24-hour gym membership near your house. When you get pissed off, hit the punching bag for 10-15 minutes to get the negative energy out of you or go to the gym to lift some weights and then return to poker (or whatever else you would like to do that day).
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Old 02-17-2019, 01:27 PM   #11
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Re: Chasing losses and losing my winnings

Leave the past where it belongs, behind you.
Stick to bankroll management religiously.
Consider it a mortal sin to break the bankroll management rules you set out when you were in your most rational, sane mind.

Most of all, in the long run, detachment to result will conquer all of your irrational unease.
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Old 02-19-2019, 12:29 AM   #12
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Re: Chasing losses and losing my winnings

Quitting is good. Taking a 10-15 minute walk thru the casino then returning to the table is good. Detachment to results is good. Setting loss limits according to one's bankroll even if not tilting is good. Realizing that the problem is more emotional than cognitive is good (emotional aggravation, as chiggs calls it, undercuts, not intelligence or knowledge but functional cognition).
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:13 PM   #13
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Re: Chasing losses and losing my winnings

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worst advice ever; this is the equivalent of putting a band aid on an open wound


you need to identify the underlying flaws in your mental game; find the root of the problem or it will continue to happen again and again ;
What are the underlying flaws that cause everyone to tilt?

Its basically impulsiveness, a sick feeling of loss and depression and wanting to get out of that feeling by winning your money back.

In my opinion tilting is merely someone trying to escape a feeling of loss and depression.
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:16 PM   #14
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What are the underlying flaws that cause everyone to tilt?

Its basically impulsiveness, a sick feeling of loss and depression and wanting to get out of that feeling by winning your money back.

In my opinion tilting is merely someone trying to escape a feeling of loss and depression.
You'll likely find some value in this - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...t-yet-1736000/
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