Weed works on a ton of issues. All I'm saying is that increasing performance is something it could potentially do.

Ignoring that you sound like an 18 year old pothead, I want to reiterate that if someone is looking to Modafinil, a stimulant, to fix their problem, then weed, which affects the brain in very different ways, is almost surely not a useful substitute. You should go preach the wonders of marijuana in a more relevant thread.

I've been a fairly moderate user of modafinil and armodafinil, using between 1-3 times a week.

I've yet to see any negative effect, and do notice a fair amount of cognitive improvements. I enjoy it more for the "awake" feeling I get with no accelerated heart beat as I do with adderall.

I am able to function on very little sleep (0-4 hours) with no problems. It even makes it difficult to get to sleep at night even with little sleep.

Overall I'm very please with the product, more so with the armodafinil. I notice its effects more than I do with modafinil.

Ignoring that your username is Gangstaman... lol Sorry, I agree with Nodute. Weed could definitely have some valid uses here.

cbayly, how long have you taken the product in total? When you say you're able to function on little sleep with no problems, I'm assuming you're talking long term?

I have had a couple people message me strongly discouraging me from trying Modafinil. They said it is great short-term and then becomes really bad for the mind/brain.

Really, well:

can you do some of that reading and report back what marijuana has been shown to do, and in what situation would that make it a valid substitute for Modafinil, because I honestly can't think of such a situation. I'm genuinely confused here.

I'd really like to know where they get their evidence to support this. I have been unable to find anything about the long term studies of modafinil usage, so I try to err on the side of caution.

I've been using the product for approximately a year, but again it's between 1-3 times a week.

It's great when I get little to no sleep and have a busy day the following morning. I don't mean long term when I say that. Its half life is 12-15 hours if I recall correctly, so I generally take it first thing in the morning so I am able to get some rest later that night.

Once the product wears off, it's back to normal. I'm not sure what you meant by "long term".

By the way, marijuana and modafinil are nothing alike. The last thing I want if I pull an all nighter to get me through the next day is a hit of weed.

Modafinil on the other hand will make you more alert without the feeling of a stimulant.

cbayly12, what dosage do you drink?

Modafinil keeps you awake for 20 hours and lets you sleep 4 hours without feeling the effects. Pretty much defines stimulant, no?

Aren't you worried about losing rem sleep? Or have you not heard that animals deprived of rem sleep die?

He said it was without the feel of a stimulant. Presumably that means without the jitteriness, palpitations, etc that a stimulant can give you. It reads to me that he's saying that the stimulant effect he gets from Modafinil is a more natural feeling of awakeness and alertness than he's gotten from other stimulants. YMMV of course.

Surprisingly, you are not the only know with access to knowledge. He said that he uses Modafinil 1-3 times per week, giving him 4-6 nights of regular sleep. He's been doing this for a year. If he was getting that significantly REM-deprived each week, he would have noticed by now.

By the way, marijuana and modafinil are nothing alike. The last thing I want if I pull an all nighter to get me through the next day is a hit of weed.

Modafinil on the other hand will make you more alert without the feeling of a stimulant.

You do realize there are over 800 pure cannabis strains and counting?
Unless you've tried them all, how can you make that assertion?

Yes, how can we possible know anything without trying it personally? I'm curious as to why you are even asking people for their experiences since you won't really know what Modafinil can possibly do to you until you've taken it yourself, so you should just take it yourself instead of wasting your time here.

My other approach to your post: which strain of marijuana are you considering to help you solve the issue you want Modafinil for?

The modafinil would have been used for peak performance. The reason for starting this thread was to see if anyone could share negative side-effects when taken regularly. As a full time player, I would have been taking it 5-7 days a week, and I expect averaging less than 4 hours a night would eventually result in some sort of "crash"

In regards to which strains could be similar to Modafinil, pure sativas could share some of the desired effects. In my experience using cannabis, I can definitely get really into something without breaking concentration. Of course, everyones results will vary, so it's no cure all by any means.

The only reason that I'd looked into Modafinil is because I would like to travel while playing starting in January, and most countries are unfriendly to cannabis use (I have it prescribed legally where I am). I don't want to go to jail in my own country, let alone a foreign one.


I have been taking piracetam for a few weeks now, but as I said before, haven't really noticed anything yet. Maybe I'm not observant enough to see if there's been an improvement. Or maybe I'll only notice once I stop taking it for a few days.

Your experience is your experience, but while Modafinil will promote wakefulness and alertness, sativa shouldn't do either. You apparently experience it as helping you concentrate on a single task for long periods of time, but all the evidence I'm seeing show negative cognitive effects, such as on learning. I would not recommend sativa to someone looking for the boost of Modafinil, especially not if you're trying to learn from your play and improve.

When you say "evidence" please cite your source. I actually have a pretty extensive understanding of cannabis sativa and cannabis indica. Nothing natural is going to give you the same boost as a chemical stimulant. And to date, no stimulants used by man are without side effects. You state that sativa shouldn't promote wakefulness or alertness, but again you source nothing. I'd be willing to bet that I get more done baked than many people would on a chemical like modafinil.

I'd disagree.

I like how you ask for citations and then make claims without a citation.

Sure, but pot has side effects too, so why is this worth pointing out?

Let's start with the wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannab..._and_C._sativa

"Cannabis sativa has a higher level of THC compared to CBD, while Cannabis indica has a higher level of CBD compared to THC."

Next we have "Effects of Delta-9-Tetrahydrocannabinol and Cannabidiol on Nocturnal Sleep and Early-Morning Behavior in Young Adults," Nicholson et al.

"The next day, with 15 mg THC, memory was impaired, sleep latency was reduced, and the subjects reported increased sleepiness and changes in mood. With the lower dose combination, reaction time was faster on the digit recall task, and with the higher dose combination, subjects reported increased sleepiness and changes in mood. Fifteen milligrams THC would appear to be sedative, while 15 mg CBD appears to have alerting properties as it increased awake activity during sleep and counter-acted the residual sedative activity of 15 mg THC."

So do you have any sources that indicate that C. sativa induces wakefulness?

To my main point about C. sativa being a bad choice for playing poker: http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/arti...ticleid=483039

"In healthy individuals, C sativa use is associated with acute impairment of learning and memory and induction of psychotic symptoms, while regular users show persistent memory deficits and have increased risk of developing psychotic disorders."

While I understand you want to focus more and make more money as all of us do...It is very very important to realize you can do other stuff first to increase your focus levels like exercising and eating cleaner for starters. Once you have everything on absolute point, then I think it is okay to try this kind of stuff, but taking it before then is irresponsible and lazy and the quick way out. Please work on other ways first and not taking the easy way out.

Umm, let's start with this: You add chemicals to the weed and it gives it different properties. This is why most smart potheads (oxymoron) won't smoke oil, or from metal pipes.

Eating cannabis, or smoking it in a vaporizer are going to give a different effect. Not to mention that they're being given the spray while they're asleep. If done while they're awake, it likely would have made a difference.

Finally, they did this on 4 males and 4 females (an extremely small sample of the population)

It's good that you're looking into actual researches done on the subject, but unfortunately most studies done on cannabis are very amateur.

It has similar results to all the other papers I've found. And since you've provided no research at all, does that mean that you are basing your opinions simply on your personal experience and no actual science? It's good that you're acting like you know what you're talking about, but I don't see a reason to believe you still.

By "science" you're still referring to those links with the spray?

Since its similar to both smoking and injestion (at the same time), why don't potheads consume their weed this way?

In addition, why didn't the study administer the spray before they went to sleep? Oh wait, because that would make sense.

You are aware that smoking weed and eating it have very different effects right? Almost like 2 different drugs even. So to do a study that uses neither is preposterous.

So you still have no evidence to support your claims? Not surprised. Hope this was as fun for you as it was for me.

Yeah this has been a pointless argument. All I can really conclude is that I have used cannabis as a motivator and in my personal experience it works.