Interesting thread, just read through it all. Doesn't suprise me too much that someone has datamined seemingly a large chunk of hands from the site. I'll miss the 10/20 games

The removal of the 10/20 games has had a huge effect on the rest of the games. The person who plays on the donk4life account early in the day has even been spotted playing as low as 200nl. If 10/20 were a thing then both players playing on that account would be playing 5/10+ only.

The guy that plays on it early in the day isn't as good as the guy later in the day, but still solid enough to make 200nl regs' lives a misery.

Is there anything that can be done? Perhaps a protest of some sort?

Multiple players on the same account doesn't violate TOS?

Yeah ofc it does.

Just to be clear, the last line about a potential protest wasn't to do with the donk4life account, it was more about doing something to get 10/20 back!

Maybe they could make a game like 10/20 not deal hands until 6 players are ready to play like a sit and go and it plays like the a 1 Hour Cage, on ACR. The game will run, but you can't sit out or leave the game for 1 hour.

If fish busts first hand, the regs have to battle it out for an hour
Which is good for the site to get rake

It also eliminates seating scripts, and bum hunters.

Essentially a sit and go to get the table launched but then just a regular cash game for an hour and if people want to play again they do the same thing, new table.

From Global's point of view, they have to take the $3000 transaction and deposit from a fish, deal with all the costs, fish plays $10/20, loses it all in the first hand and made $5 and then the table instantly breaks.

This way, global pays whatever it costs to get the rec to deposit $3000, and will make at least 1 hours worth of rake from the table that starts regardless if the fish instantly busts

For what it's worth there was a looooot of reg only games at 10/20

+1 to getting 10/20 back!!!!!

pretty odd to share an account on a site with no rakeback/rewards and also hard to back the theory with evidence when we don't have any hand histories.

Very interesting thread to go back and read, I played a bit of the $10/$20 PLO on here and was wondering why it was removed but never really looked into it.

I couldn't believe how different these games were compared to ACR.

Also interesting to read about the table camping/bumhunters, I think this same conversation was going on w/ PS back in 2011 for those limits lol took awhile to make its way to Global.

I talked w/ the people in charge of the site about having them on a podcast long ago and they agreed but I decided against it. Maybe I should reach back out to them.

Please do Joey. Table selecting seems like a big problem on the site. So many bum hunters. It would be better if players couldn't choose their table or seat IMO.

Joey,
Yes have them on and ask them about the RNG and the previous comments they said about it on 2p2.

I think now is a good time to consider making improvements.

Global has become a ghost town over the course of 2019 post 10/20 removal. Starting games is incredibly expensive relative to all other sites (ie, 5x) because of high HU/shorthanded rake.

I would be very willing to consistently start 5/10-10/20 games HU/3handed if the rake was even remotely comparable to other sites, and I know others would be as well.

Other sites are innovating on this front. See here:

There's also no spectator value. No one wants to railbird 5/10. Conversely, on WPN, people love watching the 50/100 no rathole games, and since the min/max buy-in is only $1k, a lot of people take shots at it. I think having something like that (a single higher stakes 1week no rathole game) is very appealing. Some people would probably stream on twitch and drive further casual interest towards Global.

Have some more ideas about how to improve liquidity and would be happy to chat 1-on-1 with someone from Global who is willing to listen.

**crickets**

Global removed 10/20 because a few players were taking too much money off the site. Look at the numbers on the 10-20 nl winners chart - the plo numbers were much higher.

Even if you don't agree with their decision it's understandable from a business perspective. Sites want player funds to cycle through the games and continue paying rake rather than going straight to a few large winners who then withdraw and never deposit. The economics are especially bad for gray-area sites like global that almost certainly face higher deposit/withdrawal processing costs than other businesses and need a greater % of that money to come back to them as rake to clear a profit.

It wasn't removed because of "bum-hunting"; there was far more hu/3h at 10-20 plo than at any other stake. Other sites have removed high stakes for the same reason. They're not going to bring it back with lower rake - they'd have the same issue they had before.

Where do you go to see the winners chart?

A new account was posting data mined hands itt.

This is all true.

(I finally quit the site 2 months ago)

The problem is they've set the rake too high at the next highest stake (5/10) such that it's foolish to start games. The cherry on top is most of the 10/20 recs quit shortly after the removal instead of moving down to 5/10. If the goal was to kill PLO at any reasonable stakes and get the few biggest winners to quit the site, they've at least succeeded at that part.

Plenty of other sites still have high stakes (much higher than 10/20), lower rake, actual rakeback, etc. Experimenting with changes seems like a worthwhile pursuit at this stage, given how much the traffic has fallen off/moved to other sites.

What is this

Will 10/20 be added for PLO?

I’d love to hear how 20bb cap fixes this problem.

What a bizarre move

wtf is this trash 20 BB cap lol

4NL is gone and 2kNL is back?

Oh I see they got rid of 400 and 600 in favour of 500 as well

Seems totally reasonable to me.

Allows them to offer higher stakes, as I'm sure some recreational players want it.

BUT with a format that has a much higher bb/100 rake, and limits reg's edges significantly.

The 20bb buy in tables are a great move from Global. They allow recreational players to play in higher stakes games with less overall investment, and it's been clear from other pokersites that a significant amount of non-professional players like buying in for less big blinds.

While these games are not only more fair for the recreational players, they also grant a lot bigger edges to good regulars with a solid understanding of poker theory, while punishing the bad extreme bumhunting regulars who solely rely on abusing the recreational players for their winrate. Hats off to Global Poker, this is a fantastic decision to bring back 10/20 in this format.