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03-11-2018 , 09:54 AM
Understood. To answer your William Hill comparison, I would think opening up to the US market has to be insanely profitable and someone would want to do just that. The reason I use the sportsbook comparison is I don't think you could squeeze that in under the "sweepstakes" angle as the people running said sweepstakes could not pick the winner at random, which is what a sweepstakes has to do.

I'd like your thoughts on whether or not you think this is actual poker or not. yes, I know some claim to be winning, but I would expect some to do just that. My understanding, which could be incorrect, is the winner of each hand is chosen at random and as long as that player does not fold he will get the best hand after the river. I would liken this to McDonald's Monopoly game. You may get the winning game piece, but if you throw it away you forfeit the prize. If you are chosen to get the best hand and fold then you forfeit the "prize".

Real poker or not?
03-11-2018 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Pensfan
Understood. To answer your William Hill comparison, I would think opening up to the US market has to be insanely profitable and someone would want to do just that. The reason I use the sportsbook comparison is I don't think you could squeeze that in under the "sweepstakes" angle as the people running said sweepstakes could not pick the winner at random, which is what a sweepstakes has to do.

I'd like your thoughts on whether or not you think this is actual poker or not. yes, I know some claim to be winning, but I would expect some to do just that. My understanding, which could be incorrect, is the winner of each hand is chosen at random and as long as that player does not fold he will get the best hand after the river. I would liken this to McDonald's Monopoly game. You may get the winning game piece, but if you throw it away you forfeit the prize. If you are chosen to get the best hand and fold then you forfeit the "prize".

Real poker or not?
Real.

In the forum, almost everyone believes Global Poker to be a poker site. It offers real poker, but that's an extra and no obligation to play. Global is a 'social poker' site. They offer contests, like on Facebook, games where you gain entry by seeing a certain amount of hands in gold coins, etc... You can win $weepsCash. Withdraw and life is good or we happen to have this poker game where you can use those $weepsCash dollars and use your skill to get more!

The idea of a random my selected winner is preposterous on the basis that the RNG does not have AI. It doesn't know who will be in the hand and for how long. The fact that you make decisions that affect the outcome pretty much puts the pre-selected winner idea to bed. Randomly chosen winners are in the contests. No purchase necessary is from those winnings, free 2 $weepsCash to open account, or the magic envelopes requesting more $weepsCash. It's really a 'but wait! There's more' aspect that gets us to play the $weepsCash games.

Since they are public and mgmt came from William Hill, along with certification or a pretty much industry standard RNG, Mersenne Twister, the odds of any shady stuff is microscopic. Why report to securities agencies if you are doing something slick? Just stay in the gray and life is good. Someone made a comment about it being like Zynga poker, well...how bout that! It's the same people, mostly, in the penny games and stuff. Zynga poker is a Facebook staple.
03-11-2018 , 12:50 PM
While you guys debate language in laws, I think you're overlooking the real death of this site.... all the damn bots and nit regs. Those will be what takes down the site first. PayPal is a quick second, as I've already been questioned by PayPal regarding some transactions related to Global.

Keep the minimum on the site and play at your own risks.
03-11-2018 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by StaYSMacKed
While you guys debate language in laws, I think you're overlooking the real death of this site.... all the damn bots and nit regs. Those will be what takes down the site first. PayPal is a quick second, as I've already been questioned by PayPal regarding some transactions related to Global.

Keep the minimum on the site and play at your own risks.
True for Global. Also true for every online poker room that ever has or ever will exist.
03-11-2018 , 02:28 PM
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PayPal is a quick second, as I've already been questioned by PayPal regarding some transactions related to Global.
What did they ask you, and how did you answer?
03-11-2018 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by StaYSMacKed
While you guys debate language in laws, I think you're overlooking the real death of this site.... all the damn bots and nit regs. Those will be what takes down the site first. PayPal is a quick second, as I've already been questioned by PayPal regarding some transactions related to Global.

Keep the minimum on the site and play at your own risks.
Huh: Guess that puts to rest the overwhelming argument that Pay Pal is fully aware of what is going on. Oh wait There TEAM of lawyers would never subject them to any shady stuff. LOL.

I also would like to know what Pay pal questioned you about
03-11-2018 , 02:48 PM
[QUOTE=Pensfan;53571534]Understood. To answer your William Hill comparison, I would think opening up to the US market has to be insanely profitable and someone would want to do just that. The reason I use the sportsbook comparison is I don't think you could squeeze that in under the "sweepstakes" angle as the people running said sweepstakes could not pick the winner at random, which is what a sweepstakes has to do.

I'd like your thoughts on whether or not you think this is actual poker or not. yes, I know some claim to be winning, but I would expect some to do just that. My understanding, which could be incorrect, is the winner of each hand is chosen at random and as long as that player does not fold he will get the best hand after the river. I would liken this to McDonald's Monopoly game. You may get the winning game piece, but if you throw it away you forfeit the prize. If you are chosen to get the best hand and fold then you forfeit the "prize".

Real poker or not?[/QUOT

03-11-2018 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Pensfan
Understood. My understanding, which could be incorrect, is the winner of each hand is chosen at random and as long as that player does not fold he will get the best hand after the river. I would liken this to McDonald's Monopoly game. You may get the winning game piece, but if you throw it away you forfeit the prize. If you are chosen to get the best hand and fold then you forfeit the "prize".
This is a description of how every poker game works. One person will have the best hand unless they fold.
03-11-2018 , 03:16 PM
What if the board runs out Broadway. So the RNG randomly decided in a 9 or 6 way tie for the winner of the sweepstakes?? LMAO ok
03-11-2018 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Willii
What if the board runs out Broadway. So the RNG randomly decided in a 9 or 6 way tie for the winner of the sweepstakes?? LMAO ok
What?

03-11-2018 , 04:57 PM
How do you explain chopped pots if the winners are predetermined?
03-11-2018 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dwcomm09
This is a description of how every poker game works. One person will have the best hand unless they fold.
Yes, but ultimately, no.

In live poker once the deck comes out of the shuffler and the dealer cuts the cards the deck has now been randomly arranged in such a way that one player will be dealt the best hand (excluding split pots of course).

That is, however, different from picking a winner and then arranging the deck in such a manner that that player gets the best hand.
03-11-2018 , 05:16 PM
what if the guy with the best hand gets bluffed? does the site explode?
03-11-2018 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by sirswish6
what if the guy with the best hand gets bluffed? does the site explode?
03-11-2018 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by sirswish6
what if the guy with the best hand gets bluffed? does the site explode?
It's ability to ore-select a winning correctly is due to the AI script

Way back in the beginning of the RNG thread, a bright soul determined that he and his team have proof that the game is rigged/pre-determined winner. I had flopped a full house and due to playing too many tables and not hearing the alert for my turn, I timed out and lost to two pair. He claimed he had an explanation, yet never provided it. He went away after the certification of the RNG was found.
03-11-2018 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by sirswish6
what if the guy with the best hand gets bluffed? does the site explode?
I think what I said earlier is relevant. In the McDonald's Monopoly game if you get the winning game piece and throw it in the garbage because you didn't realize it was a winner then someone else gets the prize.

Same thing happening at Global?

I honestly don't know, but I see enough that needs explaining away that it seems there may be some truth to it.
03-11-2018 , 07:25 PM
'Pre-determined winner' doesn't even make sense. In the sense that shuffled cards are unknown in a live game, there is still technically a 'pre-determined winner', i.e. in every single hand, somebody has the best hand. That person often folds or gets bluffed off their hand however, which is why riggie theories of any kind, including the 'sweepstakes model', don't make any sense on closer thought.

If the idea is that the site chooses the winner, then it makes no sense because the players have agency - no one is disputing that you can bet, raise and fold on the site. Therefore, the site cannot choose the winner at all. Unless every winner was flopping the nuts, which they obviously are not.

Last edited by Last Laugh; 03-11-2018 at 07:38 PM.
03-11-2018 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Last Laugh
'Pre-determined winner' doesn't even make sense. In the sense that shuffled cards are unknown in a live game, there is still technically a 'pre-determined winner', i.e. in every single hand, somebody has the best hand. That person often folds or gets bluffed off their hand however, which is why riggie theories of any kind, including the 'sweepstakes model', don't make any sense on closer thought.

If the idea is that the site chooses the winner, then it makes no sense because the players have agency - no one is disputing that you can bet, raise and fold on the site. Therefore, the site cannot choose the winner at all. Unless every winner was flopping the nuts, which they obviously are not.


03-11-2018 , 09:27 PM
Okay, tell me exactly how it would work then.
03-11-2018 , 09:42 PM
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03-11-2018 , 10:19 PM
Casinowebscripts.com sounds legit dude
03-11-2018 , 10:20 PM
Tejasvending. Their address is a po box. Lmao
03-11-2018 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BuzzKill_McGee
You are an obvious company shill. Good luck finding a job in a couple of years lol. They are in clear violation of Michigan and Alabama law based on what I have provided. Lawyers interpret what they "think" about how the law should work.

Has anyone that cashed out more than $600 received a 1099? There are so many laws they are violating its not even funny. All it takes is enough disgruntled people to complain and some young gun attorney general out to make a name for himself and boom, bye bye Global.

I hear ya man.

May i ask you. How much did you lose?

Spoiler:
My guess is about 350
03-11-2018 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Willii
Casinowebscripts.com sounds legit dude
Yet Global Poker is Web based software



      
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