She's not a troll... she's a manic-depressive, airheaded, aborted orc.

I just got credited for 300 envelopes and played a around $100 worth of blackjack and cashed out. Got credited to my bank account this morning.

I call bulls***.

Imagine getting banned from the easiest moneymaking site in all of internet poker in the planet, just because you insisted on writing letters for free money instead of printing off the tables where 60k+ a year can be achieved with your eyes closed. Glad I never knew about this and never sent in a letter

You can think Bawsten along with everyone else in this thread that would freak out when their biweekly "paycheck" didn't show up on time. Everyone just had to brag about their free sweeps rather than continue to silently rake it in.

I'm sorry you guys are going through this - but the writing was on the wall when people couldn't keep their mouth shut and not bite the hand that fed them.

Ton of people who write to Chumba and Luckyland just got banned also... All of them complaining on facebook.

Link please

http://www.facebook.com

I just got banned from Chumba as well... Same exact email, no reason for ban given.

Ive done nothing but deposit and play BJ on Chumba. They even gave me a chumba pre paid mastercard to load funds on to and deposit up to $5000 per day with. Apparently depositing and playing Black Jack is something that is not allowed on global or chumba's websites.

David Lyons himself has said that there is no limit to how many requests you can send in. They HAVE to offer this. They can not ban for participating in the sweepstakes. If they can ban any account without a reason, that sets a very negative precedent for all users. Theres a correlation between everyone that has been banned and all getting the same exact emails as to why... they legally can not ban these users because theyre costing the business money... they HAVE to offer it to all participants. Theres a covenant of sweepstakes law that says all participants must be treated equally. Whether you send in 1 request or 1000, they cant ban because you participate in the sweepstakes.

Seeing other people get combative because some people took advantage of the loop hole just as VGW has taken advantage of a legal loop hole to operate an online casino which otherwise would be ILLEGAL is hilarious. You clearly dont understand HOW, VGW is allowed to operate in the US.

Theyve now set the precedent that any account that sends in any amount of postal requests, or makes any amount of deposits to participate in the sweepstakes, or anyone that profits in the games, can be banned at any time, without reason given. NOBODY should ever play/gamble under those "house rules".

I cant imagine they actually thought this through long term tbh. Most of the games on Global run because participants send in sweeps requests in a round about way. The games are going to be even more dead than they have been.

My point's been missed a few times but I'll spell it out. Sending thousands or hundreds of envelopes a day, besides completely violating the spirit of the sweepstakes, is pretty much impossible for most people. The people doing this have probably enlisted others to help write cards or are using automated copies and got busted when they analyzed them. Pleading innocent of that here does nothing for you but I guarantee a lot of people were doing this in teams, and the T/C clearly say it must be your own original handwriting. Toodaloo.

This is where you're wrong. Everyone I know participating in this didn't want to violate that term (that you had to write it yourself). It was mindless work at $80/hr. No one wanted to mess that up. Everyone I know participating in these mail in sweeps request was on the up and up.

Just a foolish statement to assume its under this heading that they're doing this.

100% this. Ive been more than happy to write each individual one myself. NO T&C were broken at any time by myself.

A. You don't know that everyone was on the up and up. You just know what they told you. What else would they say.

B. It's far more foolish to believe that GP or anyone is going to give you $80/hr in perpetuity for nothing - "mindless work" as you called it. That's a big red flag, this is not a job but you saw it as one.

C. It's not $80, just $15-18, but every fast food place is hiring. Good luck.

YEP poker players love bluffin stealin cheatin scammin and stuff only natural to expect the poker company 2 b run by poker players like that. its a dog eat dog world out there and a SWEEPSTAKE need 2 pay everyone the same... i get my daily bonus but no letter, letter earnings should be SPLIT between everyone dont matter who sent in a dumb envelope...

games arent dead at all, summer lul so gtd's are down until septemberish same on every other site.

I don't think this thread caused the problem. Here's my take on it:

1. When they changed the rules to include the insert card, there was a guy on this forum that started a thread about how he cashed out $80,000 over the course of a year sending envelopes. People begged him to delete it, but he wouldn't. He felt that people wouldn't commit to doing as many as he did because it would now be too much work with the insert card. He was wrong.

2. With the pandemic causing layoffs and economic uncertainty, people now had time and incentive to grind out insert cards and envelopes.

3. There is a guy who streams his Chumba sessions. He wanted to grow his channel and put out a "how to" video on Chumba's free sweeps process. Then he encouraged everyone to send as many as they could. Swamp them with envelopes! This guy and another channel each have about 3000 views on their free sweeps tutorial.

4. There is a guy on a private Facebook Chumba fan page named Chris. He sends 500-700 envelopes per week. He constantly posts pictures of stacks of envelopes he has completed that are ready for mailing. He posts screenshots of his withdrawals from envelope credits. He posts stories about all the stuff he buys and his vacations. Without fail people ask how they too can get started getting free sweeps. There are several others that do the same thing and it attracts constant attention. Everyone wants in on it. When Chris was confronted about abusing the system, he said that the company is rich and makes millions.

RedStrip thanks for chiming in. I’m not trying to play devil’s advocate but hear
me out. We all understood that we were taking advantage of a loophole within a loophole. We all agreed to be bound (pen to paper with every single entry) by the terms and conditions that clearly stated that they could ban us with no explanation. There was no way that this could last forever. Be grateful you were able to benefit as long as you could. If you want to go full blown scorched earth because VGW gave you the opportunity to profit off of them as long as you did you deserve everything bad that happens to you in life.

VGW could have been smarter about this. They could have updated their rules to limit it to two envelopes per day, honored all envelopes post marked before the date of the change, and then limited it to two per day thereafter. Oh well.

No need to limited envelopes. Just make the playthrough similar to ignition and they can make money win win!

Seems to be a lot of poor decisions made regarding sweeps envelopes.

For the people sending in any volume, why on earth would you ever publicize that? Making videos, bragging about it, encouraging others to do it etc just makes no sense. You found a free pile of money and just couldn’t help telling others and thus risking that source. Stupid, and you get what you deserve.

As for Global, agreed that they could make the play through longer (e.g., 20x), decrease the amount of sweeps received for each envelope, or further increased the burden placed on each entry. Simply banning a lot of people who (if we take them at their word) were not violating their TOS erodes their credibility and the trust of their player pool. I understand their need to limit the outflow of free money and to inhibit abusers of the system, but there was likely a better way to go about the process.

Not for nothing but you go to Chumba and its literally the front page banner. Play for free! Find out how! They made it easy for players to find out about it on their own.

I didn't say anything to anybody, but now- my whole family and friends group know.

Bullshit. Nothing on their main page about mailing in envelopes. You have to find it in their TOC. Certainly nothing encouraging you to mail in thousands of them. People spread the word on the internet.

It was for a long time before they recently changed the website like a month ago. Now it's the first thing you get as a option when you run out of money they pop up a "here's how to get more coins" mail, deposit, win a competition etc

Exactly. It's never been a secret. Those that think this was some hidden gem, are wrong.

Glogga- It was a front page banner for the LONGEST time. It encouraged you to click the banner to find out how to get free sweeps cash/coins.

It encouraged you to send in thousands like people did on the internet? Nonsense.