We all need to give sterling some love for streaming his global sessions on twitch. He has been crushing the NL streets on there and completed a 100k challenge. His global name is "invoker". go give him a follow or a sub boys

https://www.twitch.tv/sterlingkolde

Wonder if sterlingKode was also banned for using hud/card catcher.

He never used a hud or card catcher. He used the chrome extension to download hand histories to track results just like most regulars probably did. The hand histories were anonymous and no one is getting an unfair advantage by tracking their own results.

What about a hotkey program? Looks like it from the one video I looked at of his. But I didn't think there was anything out there that worked on Global.

No, he specifically said he didn't do this. That's why people called him out about his estimated winrate over 200k hands of 11.5bb/100 or whatever it was. Seemed far more likely to be using a card catcher than actually being able to estimate his winrate (which is obviously close to impossible). SO yeah, he denied doing this vehemently.

This allowed for data to be stored about other players at the table too right? If so, these guys broke the TOS and had a huge advantage over the legitimate regs. Not only that, They have a huge advantage after their ban because they will still have all these datamined stats for the players they were playing against.

I have no idea If SK used it, I imagine I will hear from my friend as to whether he plays this week or not but any reg that did use it should have probably been perma banned.

Hand History inside Global Poker is displayed as random player numbers (eg Player #1009) so the publicly available Hand History Converter only pulled your own data and the GP pool data. So it does not produce a big advantage over the other players in the pool as everyone has access to this type of data.

There has been talk about some regs having a HUD, etc. This is private and should result in perma-ban as only some players have access to this type of data. There is a difference in the players who are trying to access their own HH's and those players which have a HUD.

All that said - I think it looked to most viewers that SterlingKode had some type of data recording/extracting software when he spit out an exact number on stream. Was the stream a way of covering up what he was actually doing? Who knows. Who cares. Global Poker is obviously fighting this type of thing well now.

All the players who used some type of data software were banned so if you do not see him at the tables then it is likely he was part of this group. Which group? Again, who knows.

It is up to Global Poker's integrity team's discretion to ban players. We should let Global Poker do the work of stopping cheaters and any assistance/information should be given directly to them. There is not much reason to come on a public forum and start calling out players names.

If you believe a player is breaking the ToS then submit a support request so that Global Poker can handle it.

But it is against the rules, correct?

Keep setting up your straw man if you wish, but Global stated their opinion on the topic, and then enforced that opinion. Don't like it, play anywhere else that allows you to "download hand histories to track results just like most regulars"

+1 billion.

Your argument is the same every time. "Is it against TOS". We ****** get that it is against TOS, we are advocating for it being considered to not be against the rules in the future.

Two plus two has gone down hill with the last 5 years with people like you who refuse to even have a discussion. Get off your high horse and go out in the world and be someone kid.

I advocate for what Global is doing. I believe it is good for poker.

So you also have people who support Global and do not agree with you.

That is completely fine.

Keep in mind:

1. No matter what a site tries to do, there will always be people who find a way around it.

2. If players are able to download hand histories, and there's nothing a site can do about it, the site should consider adding the feature for all players to create an equal playing field. I say this, because I know of players who use this chrome extension and their accounts were no suspended.

3. Cheating is much harder for players to catch without having hand histories. Without hand histories, the UB cheater would have never been caught. It was the players that exposed the cheater, not the site.

4. I will say, HUD's are probably overall bad for the game, but it is impossible to stop them. I don't like when sites make rules that they are unable to enforce. While HUDs aren't allowed on this site, there will always be somebody who finds a way to make one work, and they will have a significant advantage over the field.

5. Even if a player is caught, they can easily create another account under another alias.


IMO this site will never be able to tackle these issues. PokerStars can barely keep up with these issues and I assume they have 100x the revenue.

Way worse for the site and the players (not to mention much smarter from a $$$ making standpoint), rather than regs DLing HHs and using HUDs would be them buying and filling the tables with undetectable bots with identical HUD stats...

Also games have been ****ing **** the last 48 hours

My argument is the same every time, just like that boring math teacher who kept insisting that 2+7=9. What a jerk she was, incapable of seeing the world from any other point of view. Maybe 2+7=cat. How dare her.

With that said. If you were actually interested in having the conversation you claim you want to have. You would make a new thread to talk about Hand History downloading. Maybe make a comment in suggestions. You also would have been talking about all of this BEFORE you got banned. And in fact others have done this, and each time Global came back and said not to do it. You still had another choice, to not play on Global. But you didn't make that choice did you?

Get off your high horse and go out in the world and see that your opinion is at best coming off as totally biased, and at worst actually is so biased you can't tell up from down on this topic.

We don't need any other threads on the topic.

You must have missed my post:

That is completely fine.

"Keep in mind:

1. No matter what a site tries to do, there will always be people who find a way around it.

2. If players are able to download hand histories, and there's nothing a site can do about it, the site should consider adding the feature for all players to create an equal playing field. I say this, because I know of players who use this chrome extension and their accounts were no suspended.

3. Cheating is much harder for players to catch without having hand histories. Without hand histories, the UB cheater would have never been caught. It was the players that exposed the cheater, not the site.

4. I will say, HUD's are probably overall bad for the game, but it is impossible to stop them. I don't like when sites make rules that they are unable to enforce. While HUDs aren't allowed on this site, there will always be somebody who finds a way to make one work, and they will have a significant advantage over the field.

5. Even if a player is caught, they can easily create another account under another alias.


IMO this site will never be able to tackle these issues. PokerStars can barely keep up with these issues and I assume they have 100x the revenue."

GL kid

You must have missed mine. You broke TOS. You got banned. Want to debate the rules, make a thread about that. The conversation of if hand histories should be allowed to be downloaded or not is a worthy one in my opinion.

But all I have seen so far from you so far is complaints, red herrings and attempts at insults.

Make a clean thread where you lay out the case of hand histories being allowed and you won't hear from me about you being banned. No reason to bring it up.

He even gave you a numbered list and you refuse to consider it because it isn't in a new thread, really?

I agree with his reasoning fwiw, and I certainly don't see a reason to disregard it solely because it's not neatly confined in its own thread. That would be silly.

I agree with most of this except #4 & #5

4. While difficult it is definitely possible to stop HUDs and this seems to be the industry standard among newer sites along with softer games and high rake.

5. Is it really easy to create a pseudo account? I have no idea but imagine its not easy once you try to take money off the site. Especially with Paypal not being a thing anymore. And if you do create a new account after getting banned for a HUD i would hope global confiscates the funds instead of giving it back to cheaters. However HH converters should be legal, Global is worried about them being used for HUDs and probably won't compromise.

If players are able to use bots, and there's nothing a site can do about it, the site should consider adding a bot feature for all players to create an equal playing field. I say this, because I know of players who use bots and their accounts were no suspended

If players are able to use seating scripts, and there's nothing a site can do about it, the site should consider adding a script feature for all players to create an equal playing field. I say this, because I know of players who use scripts and their accounts were no suspended

Not a great argument

I don't know what to think anymore.

There are some players claiming that if rules can be broken then they should not be rules. That is not how rules are meant to work. Some people commit murder even though it is against the law. If they are caught they are then punished for breaking the rules/laws. Rules are a sort of "honesty check" to prevent certain activities. You can break them but there is consequences. Hackers and criminals are always one step ahead as the good guys have to see what these people are doing to create counter-measures.

Have other players saying they know of players using bots and seating scripts. Not only does what I said above apply but the fact that you knowingly allow and support these types of activities is a testament to your lack of character. Karma works in weird and cruel ways and will work it's way back to you.

I guess you didn't understand my sarcasm

Oh nope! Never been that good with sarcasm. Disregard

1. so what? does that mean all rules should cease to exist?

2. allowing everyone to download hand histories would not make it an equal playing field because many fish and bad regs would choose not to download their hand histories. you cant download hand histories on global because thats what is best for the longterm health of the poker economy. its actually a more equal playing field if a few people get away with cheating (which is a major risk due to potential for permaban) while 95%+ of the population plays by the rules.

also, i dont think global cares too much about the health of the 5/10+ games where most of this cheating is going on. i dont think anyone including winning regs at .5/1 and .1/.2 are using chrome extensions and huds. if we allowed everyone to easily download hand histories, the good regs would improve much quicker than everyone else and take more money out of the pool. this would have a larger negative effect on the economy that global cares about than if a few high stakes regs get away with cheating.

3. you cant say the ub cheater would "never" have been caught. you obviously dont know what would have happened. maybe the site would have figured it out eventually. perhaps it would have taken longer, but the word "never" is extremely assumptive here. unless you can go back to an alternate reality where ub didnt have hand histories and see what happened, you dont know if the cheater would "never" have been caught.

4. id rather have a few high stakes regs using huds illegally to gain an edge than have every single reg accessing a hud.

5. this is not true because of id verification. how will you get money in and out of your bank on a new account? address verification? drivers license? etc?

its better to outlaw/prosecute murder and let the really talented murderers get away with murder than it is to just legalize murder for everyone

so is invoker permabanned?

which other regs got banned?

chrisp did you get banned?