To clear things up Below is the reps post. He very clearly says no Rake-Back. That doesn't mean we can't push for some other type of promotion for cash-players. Deposit bonus - flops bonus - time bonus - splash the pot - ect.

Keep voting and keep commenting !

Those are all rake-back. They're just in different clothes.

GP is already providing promotions: send your envelopes in, get your free manies; play the $500 and $5000 freerolls for being at the table when flops happened.

Every promotion can be put under ... that is just another form of rakeback category. Implementing and the naming of the promotion is important.

I never claimed they didn't have other promotions.

I would be down for a BBJ funded by rake though. :-)

Rake increase. I thought to be a relevant to the topic at hand.

https://globalpoker.com/page/rake


I look at this as another reason why a cash players promo is needed. If your not going to offer a promo then rake should be going down / not up.

I guess I am missing it. The rake has been these numbers for a while I believe, but perhaps I missed something?

What exactly are you missing ?

Rake use to be 5% capped at $3.

$5.50 is the largest amount they currently take also at 5 %.

A "while" is a relative term. Let me refresh your memory bud! I'm sure you remember this thread, but here's the link, and I also copy/pasted here for others to see.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...ocked-1698913/

Rutledge Smitty's post

I’ll do my best to breakdown the differences in rake between Global and some competitors. Not going to go into the nitty gritty or use all competitors, but this should at least be a base line. Feel free to let me know if you believe me to be off on anything as I am going off my limited knowledge. I am going to use Winning Poker Network (e.g., America’s Cardroom) and Bovada/Ignition. These are the two largest US poker sites. WPN has the lowest US rake and has rakeback as well as the beast. Bovada/Ignition has the highest rake in the US and essentially has 0 rakeback. NL/PL Cash games are all I’ll look at for this as fixed limit barely runs on Global:

2c/4c:
Global: 5% $1 Cap (all number players)
Bovada: 5% $2 Cap 5+ players (3-4 players is $1; HU is 50c)
WPN: 5% $3 Cap 5+ players (4 players is $2; 3 players is $1; HU is 50c)

5c/10c:
Global: 5% $1.50 Cap (all number players)
Bovada: 5% $2 Cap 5+ players (3-4 players is $1; HU is 50c)
WPN: 5% $3 Cap 5+ players (4 players is $2; 3 players is $1; HU is 50c)

10c/20c or 10c/25c:
Global: 5% $2.50 Cap (all number players)
Bovada: 5% $2 Cap 5+ players (3-4 players is $1; HU is 50c)
WPN: 5% $3 Cap 5+ players (4 players is $2; 3 players is $1; HU is 50c)

25c/50c-$1/$2:
Global: 5% $3 Cap ($2.50 CAP for 2 players)
Bovada: 5% $4 Cap 5+ players (4-5 players is $3; 3 players is $2; HU is $1)
WPN: 5% $3 Cap 5+ players (4 players is $2; 3 players is $1; HU is 50c)

$2/$4:
Global: 5% $3.50 Cap ($3 CAP for 2 players)
Bovada: 5% $4 Cap 5+ players (4-5 players is $3; 3 players is $2; HU is $1)
WPN: 5% $3 Cap 5+ players (4 players is $2; 3 players is $1.50; HU is $1)

$3/$6:
Global: 5% $4 Cap ($3.50 CAP for 2 players)
Bovada: 5% $4 Cap 5+ players (4-5 players is $3; 3 players is $2; HU is $1)
WPN: 5% $3 Cap 5+ players (4 players is $2; 3 players is $1.50; HU is $1)

$5/$10:
Global: 5% $4.50 Cap ($4 CAP for 2 players)
Bovada: 5% $4 Cap 5+ players (4-5 players is $3; 3 players is $2; HU is $1)
WPN: 5% $3 Cap 5+ players (4 players is $2; 3 players is $1.50; HU is $1)"

Yeah that is what I a missing then. Its been this way for a while I think. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say, but the post leads me to believe this change happened this week or last week, which isn't the case.

If you overall point is that rake is higher than it used to be since the site first started, I can see that. But that is not what I am gathering from the post.

Not looking to call anyone out or cause trouble, just confused.

Yep, that was a good post, haven't forgotten about it. My question is simply has there been a recent rake increase, like in the last month. That is what the post seems to indicate. I believe the rates that have been posted have been there for longer than a month. Not saying rake hasn't increased, I am simply asking has it increased recently, because I don't think it has, although perhaps I am confused on this topic.

The post Rutledge Smitty made and that i linked and quoted above was dated 12/18/17, so that's what 5/6 weeks ago? The rake now listed on gp's site and also linked itt above started when, that I don't know but would also like an official answer from a rep about. You're approaching shill behavior again Splayaa careful lol!

Thanks for the warning on my behavior. Although I am not sure how it can be shill like when I am just asking the question when the rake changed.

The post from 12/18/17 (8 weeks ago by my count) is obviously different than what the posted rake is now. With that said, in between then and now is obviously when it changed. I believe there was some post on it changing when it happened (I can't remember exactly when) but the post by Got to Win implied (at least to me) that it was a recent change.

And perhaps it was a recent change. What we do know is it changed within the last 8 weeks. But this thread was started after that fact. I am pointing out that perhaps this entire thread started after the rake change took place. Which means the post saying "And now we have a rake change" is a bit out of context and misleading.

Now if that rake changed last week... the the post is dead on. If it changed 3 weeks ago.... it holds less merit, and if the rake changed before this whole thread started, then the post just doesn't make sense to me at all.

Just looking for the dates it changed big that is the purpose of my question.

splayya im not gonna play word games, there are many that feel the same about your behavior, its because you seem to defend gp at every opportunity and act clueless at every opportune time for your self perceived best interests, while also acting like a cs rep. Im not gonna go over it again im just pointing out that its happening. If you think there was a thread or even a post about the rake increase between 12/18 and now please search and find it, id lay heavy odds that you cant because it didnt happen. You are implying that somebody mentioned it somewhere within the last weeks and it got little to no response? After the replies this thread got and the 1st rake thread being locked, and then the one that I quoted about said thread locking. Ya ok buddy..

Sounds like a personal problem then and way to much reading between the lines. Nothing here is a defense of Global, but rather an honest question about the particular post and exactly how long ago rake went up. None of that you addressed, you just went down the bunny trail of "splayaa must work for Global" as is customary for you. I believe you even made a thread about it as I recall. Thanks for your input bwalz, move along.

For anyone else, I am still curious as to the timing, and my questions about the post. It still seems the rake hasn't gone up within the time frame that seems to be indicated by the post. But I am willing to be wrong on this.

This part makes no sense.. When did the rake go up, exactly..? We have established what it was on 12/18/17, and we know what it was as of the last post linked to the site info yesterday. Where is this "in between" you keep inferring? It looks to me like within the last few days, maybe to coincide with the start of the grizzly series and somebody just now noticed and/or posted about it?

I believe I was the first to notice it in May 2017:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...hread-1668787/

So correct me if I am wrong here, but when I compare Quiet Lion's link to the current rake, the rake actually was decreased. And hasn't changed from what was posted above by Smitty compared to now located at:

https://globalpoker.com/page/rake

Which still begs my question. What rake change? The one where rake decreased? Perhaps I am reading the charts wrong.

First, sorry if my post confused you. To clear things up.

My post didn't say there was an increase in rake today or last month. I was simply pointing out that there was a rake increase. I included the link so everyone can see what we are being charged. I have no idea when the change happened. I just know it happened and that it happened in the not so distant past.

What rake we pay is relevant to the topic at hand. So I posted the link showing what it currently is while making a comment on what it was. Which happened to show a rake increase as I pointed out.

I could of been more clear and everyone interprets things differently. I hope the above clears up the confusion.

As for the part of your post(s) I quoted ...

Going from a max cap $3 rake to a max $5.50 isn't a decrease no matter what type of changes were made somewhere in the middle.

Here is an old quote from the rep dated 03-15-2017 Less then a year ago.
As pointed out already. Max is currently $5.50.

If you would like to make a case explaining how going from a max $3 cap to a max $5.50 is decreasing rake then go for it.

Also here is a post from another thread. Which indicates either an error on global pokers part or another raise in rake.

Thank you for the clarification. My purpose is if we want to call Global out for something we do so in a well thought through manner.

I agree the post made by that rep less than a year ago said that about the rake, and that it no longer represents what the rake is on Global.

BUT (and you knew there would be one)

A year ago we also didn't have games bigger than $1/$2 on the site. (Again not super positive on the exact date they put out stakes up to $10/20, but I am nearly positive it was after 3/15/17) So I would expect as new games were released rate structures would also be modified.

So then we should take that quote and compare it to what the rake is now at that $1/$2 level and we will see that the rake, in fact, has decreased. Because they also didn't use to have rake reductions for short handed play.

So I get that the $5.50 now is more than $3. But that is a false comparison, to take a post from a rep at that time on the site. (Unless the larger stakes were around and my memory has just gone completely faulty, which is a possibility.)

With that said, I also saw the post that someone was raked $4 at a stake where the cap should be $3. This would be a fantastic topic to bring to Global's attention, as the poster did, and for sure shed more light on it. Because if their website says it is capped, and in fact it isn't, you will hear from me the most about that being something Global needs to address as a top priority.

For what it is worth, Got To Win, I think you do a solid job on 2+2, and you are for sure not the sometimes typically whinny reg type that can be in the forums. You handle yourself well, in my opinion, not that it matters what I think. Which is exactly why I push back the way I do, because I know you can see the logic here.

And by all means, keep pressing for rake reductions or rewards, I don't have any issue with that. But I also don't want to see the things we say and comment to then be dismissed out of hand because they factually are just not correct, and that is my whole purpose here. To get the facts out there and then point out to Global where improvements can be made.

I believe the reps have made their views pretty clear on most of these topics. Poke around the threads a bit more.

Now if your point is that the reps aren't doing what some of the players on here want, we can agree on that, but then not all of the players on here want to see the "kick backs".

But to say they just aren't around and talking about what has been brought up here is incorrect.

did somebody hack your account? Great post and that absolutely contradicts my and others suspicions of shilling or other stuff. That's a post by and for the people right there keep it up man!

And idk the date or history of cash games rake either i just switched to them recently.

Giving us rakeback would just make all of the "rakeback pros" flood this lovely site. We definitely don't want that. It will scare the recreational players away.

Just my personal opinion.

I was using it to show the rake increased.


While I don't have a specific date as to when these larger stakes were added. They were available on 05-30-2017

Source ( post 10 ) -- https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...hread-1668787/


I am sure we will hear from allot of players here on the topic if Global did indeed increase the rake again without notification.

Thank you for the compliment. "Pushing Back" is welcomed and so is everyone's opinion on the topic. Which is why I been asking members to not only vote but comment.

You are a good poster yourself.

What I posted was factual. It is just how we view those facts is what is different.

We are not lobbying for rake back. We are lobby for a cash players promo of any kind. Deposit bonus. Ranked hand bonus,. XXX flops for xx reward bonus. Any number of other bonuses. And even though I don't like them .. rake race or flop race bonus. Splash the pot .. anything at all.

All of that stuff will make the site reg-infested. I think Global has it right the way it is.

I don't like that they increased rake without notification, though. They can certainly improve on their communication skills.

I disagree, regs are not going to flood in because of some sort of 10 % kick back bonus.

They will flood in if the bonus looks tempting. They are not going to flood in for a flop xxxx amount of hands at .05/.10 for a $10 bonus promo.

If the regs everyone is so scared of do decide to invade GP it will be due to all the players spreading information about how soft the site is.