Poll - *Kick Back For Cash Players - Come Vote

When I say Kick Back I mean any form of bonus for Cash players that involves getting cash. Not tournament tickets or entries.

This includes but not limited to :

Rake Back
Deposit Bonus
Raked Hand Bonus
Achievement Bonus

And to a lesser extent as only the placing players receive a Kick Back / Bonus .. .

Rake Race or to stick with how the current model is running, Most Flops Race

Global Poker is doing a great job at rewarding tournament players. The opposite can be said for Rewards for Cash Players.

I am not advocating for 30% + rake back or some big bonus but something should be in place to reward cash play. It is where most the rake is generated.

Lets use this thread to voice our opinions and see if we can get some kind of promotion going for cash players.

No rake race **** like ACR. Just lower the rake for shorthanded...All this site really needs. The site has already raised the rake in the past/not listed it on their site. Doubt they are going to do anything to reduce how much money they are taking.

+1, it won't happen, but this is by far the best choice no question.

some sort of small VIP program would be nice

Lower rake would be a way to go. If your not going to offer some sort of kick back for cash play then you should have an outstanding Rake Structure.

GP bottom line might increase with the right promo. The site is rec friendly they Most Rec's won't notice a decrease in rake short handed. What they will notice is an achievement that unlocks XX amount of free cash for XXXX amount of flops seen at XX/XX limit.

It would. ...

Do I want more money? Yes I do.

Put your vote in then if you haven't already.

GP does a great Job at marketing for tourneys and bonus / leader boards ect. I see all that and its great but the promotions are all one sided. Lets get something going for the cash players.

Something as simple as adding an Achievement that resets Daily / Weekly that awards cash for xxxx amount of flops seen would be a step in the right direction and likely bring more action to their tables. Regs like watching as they get closer to that "Free" Cash. And might stick around for some extra hands they other wise might not have or make that extra deposit because they are only a few hands away from claiming.


Place a comment after you vote. GP rep read this forum so the information for or against could sway their decision.

They have made it pretty clear that their target market is recreational players, not "regs". A point that people clamoring for rakeback and rake races seem to keep missing. Recreational players don't care about those things.

The perk they have now is this SC$500 Bonanza game for .11c that's super easy for a rec player to qualify for, since they only have to play 50 hands and can do it in play money. It's 100% unappealing to me personally, and I know it is unappealing to all the regs who play on global. But that doesn't curtail my playing volume. It is probably doing exactly what it's meant to do though given the size of the field nightly... be an attraction for rec players.

If you want to be a rakeback grinder with a rake race leaderboard to sweat, go play on ACR along with all the 24 tabling hudbot regs.

Maybe I'm just getting old. But the sense of entitlement that regs seem to have I find short sighted. Would I like more money? Of course. But consider perks that attract winning players to the site are not good for the over all health of their games. Perks that attract facebook players are good for the health of the games though.

Like I said, I find the current Bonanza game to be useless to me personally, the field size is large and the payouts small, not a good investment for my time. If I'm playing anyway I'll add it on the side but it gets my lowest attention. Most of the time I just skip it altogether. But in terms of being a perk for feeding recreational players, it checks off the right boxes:

-easy to qualify for even 1 tabling, without a lot of $ necessary
-Tournaments are fun, many/most recs like these
-Prizes of say $80 for 1st are tangible to many rec players as they will often be on limited bankrolls to begin with.
-The perk is not attractive to stronger players as it's a poor time investment for someone who is capable of multi-tabling cash or grinding the nightly tournaments for much more significant prizes, so the atmosphere is even more rec-friendly than usual.

Last point, which boggles my mind people seem to keep missing... perks and marketing that target rec players are good for the regs bottom line too. So we don't get some kickback on our rake directly. But if they keep the games and site attractive to recreational players, the kickback for the winning player is in their win rate.

I do like the fact that Global has gone to seemingly great lengths to keep their site as rec friendly as possible, and hasn't done much to cater to "regs" even though I fit in the latter category. I consider my perk to be enjoyable, profitable games.

I meant rec players like watching as they get closer to that free cash.

I for one and I believe many others that are advocating for some sort of bonus for cash players are not missing the point of GP is Rec friendly. We want to keep it that way as well. I am not advocating for giant rake back or some standard bonus. Just something between 5 - 20 %. The winning regs everyone is so worried about are not going to invade the site for a possible 15 % bonus on rake paid. Recs on the other hand are not going to calculate the free cash to rake paid and be happy to get something to get them playing again.

I disagree about recs not wanting some sort of kick back for cash play. Why wouldn't a rec like getting some free cash come the end of the week after their roll is busted.

Recs love watching counters and getting achievements add a cash bonus on top of that and we have recs playing for longer periods of time which benefits everyone.

I didn't say they don't want some kind of perk, I said they don't care about rake races or rakeback (some of their target market probably doesn't even think about rake to begin with).

The kickback they are getting now is a nightly $500 gtd tourney for 11c. According to the field sizes this is proving to be quite a popular kick back for recs.

Recs individually don't generate a ton of rake, their rake back would be nominal in most cases. Some guy who is 1 tabling 2c-4c for example isn't going to get anything tangible from a rakeback program. I actually think the nightly $500 tourney (as crappy as I think it is for me personally) is a better attention getter for recs than some nominal rakeback program would be.

Rake back invites the wrong type of players.

Rake races I can agree with ... RakeBack I don't. What rec wouldn't want to get some "Free" cash to play again after busting their roll which most end up doing. I was a rec before and certainly wanted rake back / bonus cash for my play. Although I might not of understood it was RakeBack at the time or what percent I got back. It didn't matter, It was extra cash to play with.

No one is saying to take that away. I want to add not take away.

The $500 gntd is great for the Freeroller / Low end Micro player. I don't think most recs play at 2c-4c. I am more talking about the rec that deposits $20 + and sits at one or two tables with what they deposited until they bust or run it up.

But even for the 2c/4c player. They would grind more / make that extra deposit if they seen a cash reward in the achievement section for XXXX amount of flops at the stake they play.


I am not saying add a big RakeBack program .. I am not saying add a big rake race / flops race ... I am not saying add big deposit bonuses ... I am not saying add a big flops bonus.

I am saying add something .... .

Rake Race is my least favourite. Cash Bonus for XXXX flops at XX/XX limit is likely the easiest to implement since it goes with the current model of GP.


Low Rake Back wouldn't, Plus It doesn't have to be rake back ... Cash Achievement bonus for example is another way.

Recs are more attracted by short term perks.

when the paypal loophole closes they'll match industry standards.

PM me about a bet. Name the terms and we can negotiate. I already have one bet going on will the "paypal hole close" or not and if you want more action on it I bet I can find some for you as well.

I'm thinking the whole PayPal is going to abandon them thing is blown out of proportion.

that wouldn't change global's lack of interest in taking care of players needs.

Flop XXX flops for Daily Cash reward of X sounds short term to me. XXXX flops for weekly cash reward of XX ect.. Short term + long term to keep them playing / depositing.

Deposit XXX for a small instant bonus.

Lots of short term perks for the cash player can be thought up.

Deposit bonuses are another thing that Bovada used to use in the past. The 100% bonus match that you have to rake to unlock...

Have posted on a few of these threads in the past but I don't believe that OP has been in any of them so will respond again briefly here.

To be very clear, providing rake back to players is in no way something that we are looking at doing.

glutenfree's post sums up our position quite accurately.

Our commitment to you is that we will keep targeting bonuses and incentives at new/recreational players to ensure they are getting maximum enjoyment out of their playing experience.

The benefit to the regs is the player base that our promotions bring.

Thanks for the response.

Rakeback is Just one option. This isn't a lets try and get Rake Back thread. Lots of other ways to reward cash players that benefit new players / recreation players and cash players alike.

Every site is targeting Rec players.

Thank you for the concise answer from an official rep. I kept a link to this post and PMed to myself so I can paste it in future threads that will inevitability bring up these same topics.

At least I try'd something to bring attention to the lack of bonuses for cash players.

Do you know a method of making a poll that would exlcude S&G / MTT regs ... I don't see how how cash players getting some benefits hurts them any.

I was also hoping the yes voters would be a little more vocal.

If you can't beat em join em I guess. Time to become a Mtt player on Global for awhile ..

Good Bye Cash tables see you again once I Bink a few tourneys !!

I've paid the most rake out of anyone in this thread and I do not want rake back. Thank you.

I voted no and play cash only on this site. Other sites(WPN) have reward systems and rakeback and the cash games suck balls. Bovada never had either and always had better games then WPN.

Having rewards programs that make regs want to fire up more tables to chase volume goals and prizes makes the games worse long term. These things dont attract recs at all. It will just deter them when they see guys on every table they look at trying to chase a leaderboard,rakeback, or whatever prize is offered. I have a buddy who played mtts on ACR for like 2 years who fairly fishy with a real job when i told him they had a rewards program he had no clue. He never even clicked that part of the software.

They offer a free 2 bucks to new accounts thats awesome. If they want to add some type of special rake back for the big net depositors(losers) that would be cool as well.The guys who deposit and keep losing sending them a thanks for playing email and giving them a % of there deposit back. Even something little just to get them back in the game would really help the ecosystem overall.