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07-06-2017 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GlobalPokerCSadmin
In the interest of re confirming our position. Global Poker strongly opposes the use of HUDs. We are proud to have a site where recreational players are happy to come and play on a level playing field.

We are constantly looking at things we can do to keep HUDs off our site.

Can I get a clarification on what "strongly opposes" means? Does that mean you would ban those that you find using a HUD? Is using one against the TOC?

I personally support your position re: HUDS, btw. Been playing on the site since April and love it.
07-06-2017 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GlobalPokerCSadmin
In the interest of re confirming our position. Global Poker strongly opposes the use of HUDs. We are proud to have a site where recreational players are happy to come and play on a level playing field.

We are constantly looking at things we can do to keep HUDs off our site.
thank you, I agree and sent you a pm of links mentioned itt if you've not seen them yet. I love playing on Global Poker, no huds, friendly level playing field is the way to go!
07-07-2017 , 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by HammondHammond
Can I get a clarification on what "strongly opposes" means? Does that mean you would ban those that you find using a HUD? Is using one against the TOC?

I personally support your position re: HUDS, btw. Been playing on the site since April and love it.
I would do some searching through this page for any questions about what may or may not be against TOC. It doesn't matter what a rep says here as much as it matters what is written at this link.

https://globalpoker.com/page/terms-of-use
07-19-2017 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by GlobalPokerCSadmin
In the interest of re confirming our position. Global Poker strongly opposes the use of HUDs. We are proud to have a site where recreational players are happy to come and play on a level playing field.

We are constantly looking at things we can do to keep HUDs off our site.
So is this why the enhancement suite disappeared?
07-19-2017 , 07:22 PM
No HUDs but I'd love it if the note taking box was expanded to allow more note taking in site.
07-19-2017 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Twitchit
No HUDs but I'd love it if the note taking box was expanded to allow more note taking in site.
+1 Its like taking notes with a tweet
07-22-2017 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by GlobalPokerCSadmin
In the interest of re confirming our position. Global Poker strongly opposes the use of HUDs. We are proud to have a site where recreational players are happy to come and play on a level playing field.

We are constantly looking at things we can do to keep HUDs off our site.
Good. I'd like to see GP further expand on this and specifically make HUDs against the TOC. They're horrible for the overall poker economy and eventually drain the fishtank, imo.

Besides, the action is already so good on this site, who needs one? Just pay attention.
08-09-2017 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by GlobalPokerCSadmin
In the interest of re confirming our position. Global Poker strongly opposes the use of HUDs. We are proud to have a site where recreational players are happy to come and play on a level playing field.

We are constantly looking at things we can do to keep HUDs off our site.
I agree with no huds, but can we use the ability to export hand histories and track results over time?

Typically in the industry, this was allowed because you played the hands and that is your information, even if the use of a HUD was forbade.

I am agree with either decision, but love being able to track the ups and downs through the limits as you play.

... and we LOVE graphs here on 2p2.
08-09-2017 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Theduke211
I agree with no huds, but can we use the ability to export hand histories and track results over time?

Typically in the industry, this was allowed because you played the hands and that is your information, even if the use of a HUD was forbade.

I am agree with either decision, but love being able to track the ups and downs through the limits as you play.

... and we LOVE graphs here on 2p2.
I have graphs of my ups and downs, it just requires me tracking it a little closer with Excel. Its not the easiest, but it is not the worst either.
08-10-2017 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by GlobalPokerCSadmin
In the interest of re confirming our position. Global Poker strongly opposes the use of HUDs. We are proud to have a site where recreational players are happy to come and play on a level playing field.

We are constantly looking at things we can do to keep HUDs off our site.
Thank you. We don't want any on GP. I use PT4 on other sites for tracking my own MTT stats and play but don't want them here. We appreciate your stance on this.
08-20-2017 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Theduke211
I agree with no huds, but can we use the ability to export hand histories and track results over time?

Typically in the industry, this was allowed because you played the hands and that is your information, even if the use of a HUD was forbade.

I am agree with either decision, but love being able to track the ups and downs through the limits as you play.

... and we LOVE graphs here on 2p2.
Yeah i'd like this i mean the bolded part.

Guessing atm the only graph people can make it just how much $$$/profit you've won over x amount of hands/hours.

No such red, blue, green, or orange lines correct? (sounds like a stupid question but just answer it lol)
08-20-2017 , 09:08 PM
I agree with theduke that we should be allowed hand histories exportable to pt or hm at least. Im fine with huds being banned
09-06-2017 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Stroggos_nz
I agree with theduke that we should be allowed hand histories exportable to pt or hm at least. Im fine with huds being banned
it should be 24 hours later and anonymous besides yourself
09-07-2017 , 03:51 PM
Keep it the way it is. Do not ruin online poker again. Do not understand why it is some damn important if no one else can track hands either. The thought of actually playing poker scary to some people? Do not give me any BS about catching bots and colluders because Global appears to be doing a reasonable job at catching them and HUDs and trackers are a far greater evil. Some rakeback would be nice. I do not think it is the lack of rakeback that makes Global soft. It is the social media campaign, plus Russian and Eastern Euro countries not being able to cash out, and the lack of a HUD and tracking software that keeps regs away.
09-07-2017 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by spax2
Keep it the way it is. Do not ruin online poker again. Do not understand why it is some damn important if no one else can track hands either. The thought of actually playing poker scary to some people? Do not give me any BS about catching bots and colluders because Global appears to be doing a reasonable job at catching them and HUDs and trackers are a far greater evil. Some rakeback would be nice. I do not think it is the lack of rakeback that makes Global soft. It is the social media campaign, plus Russian and Eastern Euro countries not being able to cash out, and the lack of a HUD and tracking software that keeps regs away.
well when you can't really review hands and have no idea if you're beating a game EV wise or how much it can be tough. no huds, but being able to donwload some record later would be nice
09-07-2017 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JHair
well when you can't really review hands and have no idea if you're beating a game EV wise or how much it can be tough. no huds, but being able to donwload some record later would be nice

How about writing down your hands instead of having software do it for you? No offence but I think this the way it should be. I do agree with you that if it ever happens it must be anonymous and 24 hours later.
09-08-2017 , 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by spax2
Keep it the way it is. Do not ruin online poker again. Do not understand why it is some damn important if no one else can track hands either. The thought of actually playing poker scary to some people? Do not give me any BS about catching bots and colluders because Global appears to be doing a reasonable job at catching them and HUDs and trackers are a far greater evil. Some rakeback would be nice. I do not think it is the lack of rakeback that makes Global soft. It is the social media campaign, plus Russian and Eastern Euro countries not being able to cash out, and the lack of a HUD and tracking software that keeps regs away.
Smh. Blindly trusting a new site to catch cheaters when Pokerstars couldn't do it is foolish. A player's database of statistics is the best way to know if you're being cheated or playing against bots.

If they don't allow commercial huds that's fine, but it won't stop certain player's from having them.

A non-anonymous hand history database is a must in my eyes unless they hire an independent cheat catching investigation company to do regular reviews.
09-08-2017 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MCAChiTown
Smh. Blindly trusting a new site to catch cheaters when Pokerstars couldn't do it is foolish. A player's database of statistics is the best way to know if you're being cheated or playing against bots.

If they don't allow commercial huds that's fine, but it won't stop certain player's from having them.

A non-anonymous hand history database is a must in my eyes unless they hire an independent cheat catching investigation company to do regular reviews.
I maybe see the point if Global becomes as big as stars. As this develops we will find out. Not being able to save hand histories has been successful for Unibet, Global and another site I would rather not name. They are softer with less cheaters. I think tracking software also creates cheaters (real time snowie type of software as well as information they would never be able to collect themselves as a human) with the ability to catch them. There is a reason GP is rated 1 star on pokervip. Not only does the affiliate not get a cut it is hard for Russians to be able to play on GP and use their software to cheat and make bots as of now. The environment on non US facing sites and ACR has become so parasitic is BECAUSE of tracking software. Until it is clear players are making custom made HUDs and trackers on global it should be kept as it is.

Last edited by spax2; 09-08-2017 at 02:23 PM.
09-08-2017 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by spax2
How about writing down your hands instead of having software do it for you? No offence but I think this the way it should be. I do agree with you that if it ever happens it must be anonymous and 24 hours later.
im not gonna write the hands down by hand man come on.
09-08-2017 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by spax2
Until it is clear players are making custom made HUDs and trackers on global it should be kept as it is.
How does this become clear? I'd be surprised if development, if not use, had not already begun for non-commercial software. You just have to look at that global poker suite thread to realize this.

It seems to me like you're saying you would look past possible cheaters in the games to keep them as soft as possible. Makes sense until you find out you've been the victim of cheating.

Last edited by MCAChiTown; 09-08-2017 at 03:27 PM.
09-08-2017 , 09:45 PM
*look passed
11-10-2017 , 12:21 PM
So as of now, there is no tracking software and no HUD because they're not giving hand histories?

Just curious to see if this is still the case. I don't have a problem with it, but I wouldn't want to be at a disadvantage if that changed.
11-10-2017 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MCAChiTown
How does this become clear? I'd be surprised if development, if not use, had not already begun for non-commercial software. You just have to look at that global poker suite thread to realize this.

It seems to me like you're saying you would look past possible cheaters in the games to keep them as soft as possible. Makes sense until you find out you've been the victim of cheating.
MCAChiTown is 100% correct in my eyes. You should be able to download HH and review it. There are certain measures that need to be taken from a security point of view. Leaving out players names, but allowing downloadable HH is good for the ecosystem. Cheaters will get caught like this. Look at PotRipper back in the day. He was caught due to analyzing statistics laid out on a plot chart.

I guarantee there are several high stakes players with full blown HUDs and more. I have even seen a website where developers have been working on advanced software for GP.

You want to know why GP wouldn't be able to catch someone using HUDs, etc? It is because they won't be detected by the GP software. Anyone smart enough to create software to work with GP is smart enough to know that to stay undetected they would split the video output and read the output from a totally separate machine.

The best way to combat cheaters, software devs, etc on GP would be to allow downloadable HH, that way players can analyze play and report suspicious activity. GP can't do it on their own and if they don't try to help us help them then before you know it this site will be the breeding ground of cheating.

Edit: Also, look at Ignition. They have caught the most cheaters/rings, I have seen in all my years playing poker, just by allowing downloadable HH.

It is important for players to have some sort of access to downloadable HH.
11-14-2017 , 02:33 PM
If you don't allow hand histories you are just opening the door for colluders and other BS. So many cheaters of many varieties have been taken down by players analyzing hand histories. An online poker site will not be trusted by a lot of poker players when they know cheaters are less likely to get caught.

I'm all for banning huds but allowing the tracking of hands makes it easy for a group of players to get a database going and pick out outliers pretty easily. Personally tho I think sites allowing mass tabling has a much bigger impact on games then huds. If all poker sites only allowed 4 tables max we wouldn't even be having this conversation about huds and how they are destroying the games cuz the problem would be fixed.

I remember one thread where a mass tabler showed his results with a hud and then without a hud both with 100k hands each. Without a hud only had a small dip in bb/100, it was the mass tabling and his skills that got him the money he won. Fast foward to today and you have mass tabling at $2nl games. Saying the hud is the problem is kind of a joke to me when headsup games and mass tabling are the things making online poker player pools and games suck balls.

Last edited by uradoodooface; 11-14-2017 at 02:38 PM.
11-15-2017 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by uradoodooface
If you don't allow hand histories you are just opening the door for colluders and other BS. So many cheaters of many varieties have been taken down by players analyzing hand histories. An online poker site will not be trusted by a lot of poker players when they know cheaters are less likely to get caught.

I'm all for banning huds but allowing the tracking of hands makes it easy for a group of players to get a database going and pick out outliers pretty easily. Personally tho I think sites allowing mass tabling has a much bigger impact on games then huds. If all poker sites only allowed 4 tables max we wouldn't even be having this conversation about huds and how they are destroying the games cuz the problem would be fixed.

I remember one thread where a mass tabler showed his results with a hud and then without a hud both with 100k hands each. Without a hud only had a small dip in bb/100, it was the mass tabling and his skills that got him the money he won. Fast foward to today and you have mass tabling at $2nl games. Saying the hud is the problem is kind of a joke to me when headsup games and mass tabling are the things making online poker player pools and games suck balls.
This is a great and really overlooked point. Bovada has had the best US online cash game selection BY FAR over the past 5 years and they have a 4 table cap.

      
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