Super short-stackers ruin the game. This is a petition to raise the buy-in to a minimum of 20bb, which is the standard in the industry.

Leave a comment if you want to join the petition.

Even 20bb isn't standard. On almost every single site the absolute minimum buy in is 30bb unless you're playing cap and 40bb is just as common. Even Amaya, as money hungry as they are, has a 40bb min buy in. All major poker sites recognize that 10-25bb buy ins are a completely different format, and thus they created cap poker. 10-25bb has no place in games where players are buying in for 100bb.

The people that don't have a problem with the min buy in now are being extremely short sighted here. I hate to bring up the 'B' word, but if i were a bot maker , Global would be my first choice to set up shop, since 10bb poker is a bot maker's dream come true.

I have gotten so used to the 10bb buy-ins at Global that for some reason I thought 20bb was okay, but now that I think about it 20bb is even small. Look at Ignition, it is 30bb I believe?

You are 100% correct! Solving 10bb multi-way games can be done so easily!! This will become an issue if it is not changed soon.

+1 from me, although I won't even pretend to know what industry standard is. With that said, I really don't care what the standard is, Global doesn't seem to work that way anyway.

The argument above stands in my opinion, 10BB short stackers do mess up the game. As a test option, could we have "deep" tables where maybe it was 40BB min buy in, 200BB max? Keep the other tables as is and see how the community responds.

I don't mind.

I could see why they wouldn't want to make the changes for fear of angering some of their customers who like the current min buy in. However, i think that if they just write a transparent email and send it to every customer then there'd be very little, if any negative sentiment. Something like,

"After carefully considering issues brought up many of our players regarding our minimum table buy in, we've concluded that it's in the best interest of our customers to raise the minimum buy in to 35bb."

Then go on to spell out their concerns with keeping the min buy in small and how they're raising the buy in to protect the integrity of their games from software and ai. Then apologize to everybody who liked small buy ins, but restate how it's in the best interest of the player base as a whole and that you want to maintain Global Poker's mission of offering the best social poker gaming experience in the world.

I just checked on Bovada/Ignition/Amaya/Party and they all were 30bb other than partypoker which was 35bb minimum.

So we can agree industry standard is 30bb.

+1000
Players like Bosluk who sit 10bb and leave at 30bb ruin the games for everyone, winners and recreational. Hope Global realizes this. When recreational players lose more hands to 10bb stacks due to wider ranges/variance et, it creates a bad experience for them.

+1 Please make it a 30BB min.

Signed

Should be no less than 30bb min at any table. 10bb is utterly ridiculous.

You should figure out a strategy to beat them. Zero shortstackers on global poker have a clue about solid strategy so they are worth 20+ bb/100. I welcome them if they sit me heads up. Why would you pass up on free money? You can always find another table if it bothers you that much (it only bothers people who don't get what I typed).

If you show me a 20bb/100 winrate on GP I will shut my mouth.

signed. how does a site have multiple hour period before we can rebuy for under our previous session's stack again yet then they let someone buy in for *$20* at 200nl? come on, doesnt get any more incoherent than that

20bb nlhe is a solved game. there is no miracle strategy out there to be "figured out"

understand deeply what nash equilibrium means and you'll understand how naive your comment is


raise the min buyin. its better for literally everyone except the ratholers. period.

40bb or 50bb min please

Anything under 30 bbs is just stupid. 10 bbs is ******ed. (personally I'd set it at 40 bbs)

If you could personally set it then why make it 40bb and not 100bb?

Yeah need to raise this to a min of 30 bbs

Yep.

Let's assure this gets on their radar. Anyone pointed them to this thread? Yesterday all the tables I was on were 10-20bb stacks and enjoyment was shot instantly. I just went over to Bovada to play instead.

You need to raise this immediately.

You guys have lost your minds!!!

Right now this is the easiest, softest site for regs for THIS exact reason. It attracts so many recreational players that want to dib and dabble as they please. Those same 10bb are most likely to donate that 10bb when it grows to 30,40,80bb, and then come back and repeat.

The people suggesting this want to drain the fish pond as soon as possible, then they will be the first ones complaining the games aren't beatable... blah blah blah.

I strongly oppose this as i have been there for pokerstars when they were young, and bodog, before it was Bovada...etc, if you are complaining you can't beat 10bb SSers then please go to PS or Bovada, or ACR and try there. I love free money, and don't mind SSers sitting me HU.

Sorry guys not posting from my 2+2 act, forgot pw. Will post once i have access.

Cheers!

+1

Just gonna chip in my two cents here...

I recognize that intelligent, short stacking strategies are "solved". I also recognize that today, the VAST MAJORITY of players that are short stacking are not using optimal short stacking strategies at all (I suppose I can really only speak for 100NL and below), and are basically giving money away.

I also realize that leaving the min buy-in this low opens the games up to a bunch of short stackers ruining games in the future, especially if they start using optimal short stack strategies.

I know a lot of people feel strongly about this. The min buy-in probably should be higher than 10 BBs (I think 20-30 BBs is the norm). Today, I don't feel too strongly either way.