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12-06-2018 , 04:57 PM
So a few of you have mentioned that Opera seems to be the least laggiest browser for Global, so I tried it out yesterday. But the tables open in these special "pop up" windows that have no title bar, no bookmark bar, etc; just a basic window frame with an extremely thin border and an address bar, nothing else iirc. As such, it's nearly impossible to drag the windowed tables around anywhere, the only way I've found is to locate the literally ~1/10 millimeter^2 sized area near the upper left corner where if you click and hold it turns into the "drag" icon. But it's extremely frustrating because it's such a small area/border that the slightest twitch or overshoot with the tiny point of the mouse cursor and it switches to the "resize" icon. Also, since "the spot" is in the upper left corner, I can't drag any of these windows to the left border of my screen without the cursor touching the side of my screen and forcing auto-resizing behaviour that I don't want.

So bottom line it takes several if not a dozen tries each time I need to do something as simple as drag and move a table, and all the while I'm constantly accidentally resizing windows that I've already carefully sized how I want them because everywhere around the border except in this tiny little spot forces a resize icon instead of a drag icon. Not to mention the tiny window border is razor thin all around as it is, so even for resizing, the precision movements needed makes it vastly more difficult than it should be.

Any Opera users know how to fix/change this behaviour? It's incredibly tilting since the Global tiling/sizing buttons are garbage and I have to manually resize each table and place it where I want it. But having surfed the settings/Google I can't find anything that helps. Would appreciate anything useful anybody might have to share. Thanks.

Last edited by SageLee; 12-06-2018 at 05:03 PM.
12-07-2018 , 01:18 PM
Use Chrome or Firefox
12-08-2018 , 01:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SageLee
So a few of you have mentioned that Opera seems to be the least laggiest browser for Global, so I tried it out yesterday. But the tables open in these special "pop up" windows that have no title bar, no bookmark bar, etc; just a basic window frame with an extremely thin border and an address bar, nothing else iirc. As such, it's nearly impossible to drag the windowed tables around anywhere, the only way I've found is to locate the literally ~1/10 millimeter^2 sized area near the upper left corner where if you click and hold it turns into the "drag" icon. But it's extremely frustrating because it's such a small area/border that the slightest twitch or overshoot with the tiny point of the mouse cursor and it switches to the "resize" icon. Also, since "the spot" is in the upper left corner, I can't drag any of these windows to the left border of my screen without the cursor touching the side of my screen and forcing auto-resizing behaviour that I don't want.

So bottom line it takes several if not a dozen tries each time I need to do something as simple as drag and move a table, and all the while I'm constantly accidentally resizing windows that I've already carefully sized how I want them because everywhere around the border except in this tiny little spot forces a resize icon instead of a drag icon. Not to mention the tiny window border is razor thin all around as it is, so even for resizing, the precision movements needed makes it vastly more difficult than it should be.

Any Opera users know how to fix/change this behaviour? It's incredibly tilting since the Global tiling/sizing buttons are garbage and I have to manually resize each table and place it where I want it. But having surfed the settings/Google I can't find anything that helps. Would appreciate anything useful anybody might have to share. Thanks.
I use Opera with Global and have for a long time. It works better for me than the others in terms of lag/memory leaks etc. My windows all have normal title bars. Not sure why yours don't. Are you running Windows 10?

QL
12-08-2018 , 01:32 PM
When an Opera (Opera 51) window is maximized, it won't show the title bar at the top.
The title bar is there; it just goes above the top of the screen.

This makes it impossible to click the sizing buttons on the top right or
to make the window roll up with the mouse scroll wheel.

Go into the 'Peppermint Control Center', then select the 'Advanced' tab
In the 'Accessibility' section, uncheck the 'Hide frames of maximized windows' checkbox
12-08-2018 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Quiet Lion
I use Opera with Global and have for a long time. It works better for me than the others in terms of lag/memory leaks etc. My windows all have normal title bars. Not sure why yours don't. Are you running

QL
Windows 10?! As IF!

I use Linux Mint 18.3 iirc with KDE. I was actually coming back here to say disregard thread because lag/disconnect problems were really bad out of the blue yesterday while using Opera, worse than Firefox has been in a while. Of course as I typed this sentence my hand was just auto-folded pre for the third ****ing time today in Firefox, and I've only been playing 30 minutes. (Weird how it happens much more often during heavy traffic times. He said, sarcastically.) Given the annoying window issues with this version of Opera, there's really no point for me in using it.

Are you familiar with Linux/network stuff at all? Frankly there're just too many reasons for me to suspect that it has anything to do with me or my hard/software, up to and including relatively constant posts/threads from others complaining about lag dating back well over a year, but since I am using Linux (and USB WiFi), if there is anything I can do to optimize Global play, I'm def open to trying it. This **** is crazy rage inducing since it happens often enough to sometimes fold huge hands in important spots. (Twice just yesterday; quite literally and directly cost me hundreds of dollars in equity on a final table.) I would note here though that during disconnect times, nothing else is affected. Internet is very fast and constant, and I can load up 10 new random webpages in the same browser in new tabs the 15 seconds or so it takes for Global to reconnect; other devices on the same connection can do the same; nothing else is ever affected except Global.

The only difference I've noticed is that using different browsers or different devices (I have an old Windows 7 laptop as well, but it can't really handle poker), the lag manifests itself in different ways. For instance, my Linux machine is new and fast, so after no more than a few seconds of hanging I get the "Trying to reconnect..." message very consistently. Sometimes it reconnects fast enough that I don't even get the message but I can visually see things "catching up"; like, it'll hang for a second and then the button will move well before the pot is pushed, and then suddenly everybody snap folds to me and my clock is half gone (I feel like being able to turn off the animations might help in spots like this). But on the Windows machine testing both IE or Firefox, I never saw the message, just visual graphical lag/audio drag, and every once in a while after tings moving a bit slower than expected my hand would suddenly be folded and the sit out button would suddenly be checked, which I know from using my faster computer is a symptom of a previous disconnect. So I suspect my older machine just wasn't fast enough to visually display all the in-betweens before it was over (it's old and tired and lags graphical stuff all the time, all by isself, for reasons having nothing to do with a network connection).

Anyway. Sorry for rambling but I recall reading in your thread that you were some kind of programmer, so figured it couldn't hurt to paint a picture as best I could and see if you had anything useful to say. Something something memory leaks, you say....?

Last edited by SageLee; 12-08-2018 at 06:54 PM.
12-08-2018 , 06:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shawnb4595
When an Opera (Opera 51) window is maximized, it won't show the title bar at the top.
The title bar is there; it just goes above the top of the screen.

This makes it impossible to click the sizing buttons on the top right or
to make the window roll up with the mouse scroll wheel.
Appreciate the input, but that's not what's going on in my case. The windows are not maximized, nor are they always at the top of the screen. The windows, when seen in their entirety, are clearly very different and bare bones versions of what every other "normal" window looks like. For instance, even things normally contained on the same horizontal plane as the address bar, which would still be visible in your described situation, are no longer there. I've also seen this behaviour before somewhere; I wanna say IE, years ago maybe? Idr but some other browser I used years ago had weird pop-up windows with similar things going on. I think I've even encountered pop windows that you could not resize at all. I should maybe note here that Global table windows are def, officially, "pop-up" windows; in both Firefox and Opera I had to allow pop-ups for the correct address in order to even activate pro mode.

I'd take a picture for you just to show you, but meh. As I said in the other post Opera doesn't appear to be better for lag for me, as far as I can tell, so I see no need to use it at this point anyway.

EDIT: Actually I just remembered something interesting in light of what you say: Opera was super annoying at first because I couldn't tell which table was which without being able to see the titles (I started a few different level SNGs at about the same time). But then I discovered if I managed to drag it I could jam it into the top of my screen to force maximization through system behaviour; at this point the title bar would actually appear in the perfectly-screen-fit window, and I could then see what SNG that table was, and the jnormal minimize/close buttons in the top right, etc. So it was actually like the opposite of what you're describing; I could ONLY see that stuff when I maximized a window, which I could only do through [whatever you call it when you jam a window edge against a screen border for auto-resizing].

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Originally Posted by shawnb4595
Go into the 'Peppermint Control Center', then select the 'Advanced' tab
In the 'Accessibility' section, uncheck the 'Hide frames of maximized windows' checkbox
This is interesting though. What the hell is the Peppermint Control Center? I think it's a Linux thing but I don't think I mentioned I had Linux in OP, so it's interesting that you even knew to bring that up.

I think PPC is a Cinnamon thing though; I use Mint 18.3 with KDE. There probably is some weird option somewhere in my settings where I can make the borders of all my windows in KDE bigger, but I haven't found it, unless it has to do with picking some brand new theme, which I'd rather not do. And I actually like the slimmer borders in general. Hasn't been a problem before.

Last edited by SageLee; 12-08-2018 at 07:09 PM.
12-09-2018 , 07:00 PM
My recommendation to use Opera was for Windows 10. I imagine they all have different bugs under Linux.

QL
12-10-2018 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Quiet Lion
My recommendation to use Opera was for Windows 10. I imagine they all have different bugs under Linux.

QL
We would all like to believe that Opera under Linux is very similar to Opera under Windows, but I am with QL here. The Linux side will for sure have differences and who even knows what those could be.

OP, you may be the only user on Global using Opera on a Linux system and then you are using KDE on top of Mint as well. I understand the reasoning for not wanting to be on Windows, believe me, I bleed penguin blood, but when you are that far away from the "norm" expect to find some of these issues you are having and be okay with it, and with forums not knowing how to help you.
12-10-2018 , 06:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quiet Lion
My recommendation to use Opera was for Windows 10. I imagine they all have different bugs under Linux.

QL
Yeah, no doubt. Def understood.

It was just that I don't even know how "memory leaks" work; for instance, if that's something that is static and based on how a program was coded, and/or if it's something I could shore up configurationally/software/hardware-wise. Or something; idk. Just thought I'd throw it out there and see if the creator of Word might have something useful to say about anything. Shot in the dark. Thanks for the response/acknowledgement.

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Originally Posted by splayaa
We would all like to believe that Opera under Linux is very similar to Opera under Windows, but I am with QL here. The Linux side will for sure have differences and who even knows what those could be.
Agreed. Wasn't really expecting a Windows mastercrastman to be able to help me with a Linux problem. But then again he did write/help develop/[whatever the precisely correct term would be for his actual involvement] Microsoft Word according to some article someone posted in his congrats thread, so given his PC-superstar status I figured it wouldn't hurt, while I had his ear, to prod him a bit.

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Originally Posted by splayaa
OP, you may be the only user on Global using Opera on a Linux system and then you are using KDE on top of Mint as well. I understand the reasoning for not wanting to be on Windows, believe me, I bleed penguin blood, but when you are that far away from the "norm" expect to find some of these issues you are having and be okay with it, and with forums not knowing how to help you.
Well... I get what you're saying and agree with the gist of it; I didn't expect much by asking and I appreciate the responses. But at the same time it's hard to "be okay" with having your important hands randomly folded when it's sometimes a really, really, REEEEAALLY big deal. I can't ****ing stress enough how much actual money I've directly lost because of this relatively frequent occurrence (frequent time-wise if not hand-wise...I play a lot of volume... also don't play cash, only tourneys and SNGs if that means anything in this context). That's really the gist of this; I was only trying Opera to try to get a handle on this lag/disconnect stuff. Long-term effect-wise, from my POV, it's basically like playing with an absurdly large extra rake and I really, really want it to stop. Again, considering the widespread and long-term complaints, and other observational yet compelling and nuanced evidence, it seems pretty damning re: Global has issues, and not me, in this particular regard; if I could play anywhere else, I would. But I still hope against hope that there might be SOMEthing feasible for me that I can do on my end to help mitigate the issue.

Agreed that Opera issues are probably all me though. ****in Linux.


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Originally Posted by splayaa
then you are using KDE on top of Mint as well
Curious though... what does this mean to you? You say it in a way that suggests it's an extra "problem" that I use KDE. I am relatively new to Linux and researched/tried a few desktop environs before finally settling on the only one that apparently allowed me to customize a few certain things the way I reaaally wanted them. So I don't know much about it and would hate to give it up, but I have to ask: swt? (Sup with that?) Why might KDE be an issue?

Last edited by SageLee; 12-10-2018 at 06:34 PM.
12-11-2018 , 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by SageLee
Curious though... what does this mean to you? You say it in a way that suggests it's an extra "problem" that I use KDE. I am relatively new to Linux and researched/tried a few desktop environs before finally settling on the only one that apparently allowed me to customize a few certain things the way I reaaally wanted them. So I don't know much about it and would hate to give it up, but I have to ask: swt? (Sup with that?) Why might KDE be an issue?
I don't have an issue with KDE one way or another. But my point is the further you get from the crowd, the less likely your scenario has been tested. From Global's standpoint, the testing staff (which is always understaffed) is trying to make sure it works for the most people they can.

I would be shocked to find out they even try their website on Linux, but perhaps they do.

If they do test on Linux, the probably test on Ubuntu, not Mint (very similar I know, but still a difference)

If they do test on Ubuntu, they probably test on Chromium and Firefox and you run Opera. They aren't testing Opera on Linux.

And if they do test on Linux, under Ubuntu, on Opera, my bet is they use Gnome if they are on 18.04 and Unity(he types with a shudder) on 16.04 and before. You run KDE.

There just isn't a snowball's chance they test Linux->Mint->KDE->Opera. And to be honest, they shouldn't. You are extremely likely the only one who runs the site this way.

So all of that to say, I think KDE is fine. I don't use it, I prefer my Linux with just white text on a black screen. And I use Windows for the GUI stuff, since I have to be there anyway for other reasons.

Side note, when I ran Mint for a few years I really liked the Cinnamon desktop environment myself. But that is just taking the topic way off in the weeds (if we weren't already there anyway)
12-12-2018 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by splayaa
I don't have an issue with KDE one way or another. But my point is the further you get from the crowd, the less likely your scenario has been tested. From Global's standpoint, the testing staff (which is always understaffed) is trying to make sure it works for the most people they can.

I would be shocked to find out they even try their website on Linux, but perhaps they do.

If they do test on Linux, the probably test on Ubuntu, not Mint (very similar I know, but still a difference)

If they do test on Ubuntu, they probably test on Chromium and Firefox and you run Opera. They aren't testing Opera on Linux.

And if they do test on Linux, under Ubuntu, on Opera, my bet is they use Gnome if they are on 18.04 and Unity(he types with a shudder) on 16.04 and before. You run KDE.

There just isn't a snowball's chance they test Linux->Mint->KDE->Opera. And to be honest, they shouldn't. You are extremely likely the only one who runs the site this way.

So all of that to say, I think KDE is fine. I don't use it, I prefer my Linux with just white text on a black screen. And I use Windows for the GUI stuff, since I have to be there anyway for other reasons.

Side note, when I ran Mint for a few years I really liked the Cinnamon desktop environment myself. But that is just taking the topic way off in the weeds (if we weren't already there anyway)
Gotcha. I didn't realize KDE was that far off the beaten path. Iirc I followed some tutorial for new Linux users and after trying Ubuntu and not liking it's customization options, I found a Mint page which listed 4 "common" options, Cinnamon and KDE being two of them. KDE was listed as "highly customizable" compared to the others, so I just assumed it was more or less just as popular as the rest. That's why I got it. Still hoping someday I can realize my dream of an animated desktop Trash/Recycle Bin.
12-13-2018 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SageLee
Gotcha. I didn't realize KDE was that far off the beaten path. Iirc I followed some tutorial for new Linux users and after trying Ubuntu and not liking it's customization options, I found a Mint page which listed 4 "common" options, Cinnamon and KDE being two of them. KDE was listed as "highly customizable" compared to the others, so I just assumed it was more or less just as popular as the rest. That's why I got it. Still hoping someday I can realize my dream of an animated desktop Trash/Recycle Bin.
Don't hear me discouraging you from doing any of this btw, I am not. I love Linux and want to see it in a lot more places, but do understand when you run setups like this, you will see some really strange stuff sometimes.

But then that is the fun right

      
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