I see what you guys are saying. In this day and age it is a lot different than when we used paper checks. And I must feel it is a bigger deal than I let on because my bank and routing number are correct but I didn't post my actual acct. number.

Thanks.

Well, when you write a check there is a trail to follow for the prosecution of the offenders who try to steal your money. On the other hand, when you post it on the internet not so much.

Trying to figure out why you don't accept the largest payment processor in the world.

Is global not a legitimate "sweepstakes"?

After several weeks I can happily say I've receiced my cashout request from Global. I've also been allowed to keep my account, in the event I cash out again in the future it'll have to be with direct deposit.

Glad you got your money Motown.

Global won't seem to answer my questions of why I wasn't offered the same deal and what they plan to do for players with no bank accounts.

I guess if they bury their heads in the sand long enough eventually I'll give up.

Their email support is atrocious. You likely won't get the same offer from them now as their partnership with Paypal ended on June 30th. I received the offer after several emails with them all prior to their cutoff date.

With that said, I know Joey has been exploring different payment options with his team in Australia for players unwilling to provide banking information. I'm not sure if this only included players like me who were offered the one time Paypal payment or if it helps everyone like you as well.

PM Joey on here and ask about your options. He's the only reason why I'm sitting on a prepared letter for the Colorado Attorney Generals office and haven't yet sent it to them.

I did PM Joey on June 21st so well within the PayPal date. Just was never given the option for a PayPal withdrawal.

Anyways, glad it worked out for you. I'm probably going to be stuck with WorldPay or nothing at all. I can't get a response from Joey at this point either so I think they just decided there's nothing more they can do so they just filter me out now.

I didn't receive this offer until they sent the email out saying their partnership with Paypal was ending, June 25ish. It was that day or a day later that I posted on here their offer. Did you by chance see that and email them prior to the 30th asking if you could too get that offer as well? If so, then it might be worth asking support to escalate your matter so that you can learn why you weren't offered this as well.

Hi bardolino,

This wasn't an offer I was able to extend to you. I have only gotten involved in this after June 30 when I found out some players weren't paid.

HHA they made alot of $$

Thanks for the reply Joey. I seem to be stuck with WorldPay so I'm going to have to set that up. Hopefully you can understand my frustration.

Resistance was futile, I'm left with no option.

Most likely here’s what happened:

1: VGW comes up with Chunba Casino (online slots) and finds the sweepstakes loophole.
The loophole: “we make our profit selling in game currency (gold coins)”. PayPal and Facebook do full due diligence. Find the loophole is credible and legit

2: months later VGW comes to PayPal/Facebook and says “we’ve got a poker site using the same model”. PayPal/Facebook, ignorant of the nuanced differences in the different forms of gambling, largely give this a rubber stamp because everything appears the same.

Months go by. And over those months it becomes more and more apparent that everything is NOT the same between chunba and global.
Here’s why:

1: the rake mechanism on chunba is built into the payout odds of the “machines” which are not published. On Global the rake is visibly removed from each pot or tourney buyin. Technically on Global the sites rake is awarding itself sweepstakes prizes. And it’s visible.

2: the type of player who plays online slots PROBaBLY actually plays through and busts his gold coins when his sweeps cash account is busted. It’s a certain type of player who will sit there and press a spin button for hours on the Internet. So you have crossover: almost all players who play chumba play both gold coins and sweeps. If Chumba ever faced a legal challenge, between the fact that their actual rake is not visible and the fact players actually bust their play money accounts too, they could credibly make a case that they indeed make their profit by “selling gold coins”
On Global the play money and real money player pool is almost entirely separate —except for crossover generated by the rattlesnake series (for trophies) and the weekend challenge requiring 200 flops in play money to get in on the real money leaderboard/overlay (which if it isn’t obvious is the entire reason for the gold coin leaderboard weekend tourneys: generate crossover play so global can say “look, our best mtt players all play gold coins too”

3: if imagine chumba has VERY few people actually cashing out, and almost zero players ever cashing out significant sums on more than one occasion—let alone on a regular, consistent basis. I assum chumba s huge (let’s call that over 1k) slot payouts are rare and most slot players will just keep churning small wins the same way people turn in $15 scratch off lotto tix for 15 more tickets.
So on Chumba PayPal was processed ssing lots of deposits (gold coin purchase) which is no diff than any other modern online game/app with in game purchases. They were processing few cashouts and likely on a one time basis per any given player.
On Global it’s different model: by nature of MTTs there will be large winners every day AND regular winners who are cashing out large amounts on a regular basis. This is VERY different in nature.

From PayPals side of things they either were naive about Chumba OR knew it was a sketchy at best loophole but their due diligence said their asses were legally covered and it was worth it to make the massive amount of processing fees. Also LIKELY there was only a small team of people involved with Global’s PayPal account (the members of which would have been financially incentivized by the bonuses such an account would yield them )....and as long and there were no problems those people would face no heat from above.

as 1,2, and 3 became evident though, and as players started writing PayPal and contesting (unethically) deposits bc they lost, and writing Facebook posts, etc....and even the DOJ* best believe PayPal began facing heat. They likely realized they were in a bad spot and needed out ASAP, but dropping Global instantly and leaving them with no method to pay nor accept more deposits would RAISE visibility bc players would storm social media , live media, and the DOJ with complaints. It was in PayPal’s best interest for Glibal to last a LOT longer before it either fizzled out on its own or got shut down. Bc the longer in Globals past PayPal was the lower risk/exposure/liability they’d have...esp if the shutdown came via DOJ.

Let's all just bail together....

That is not how or why sweepstakes model operate legally.

If the DOJ was involved in anyway, it would have been shut on the spot, much like if PayPal found egregiouz issues. It could be from grimey people running charge backs from losing, though. There are a handful of reasons why it likely ended. None of them have anything to do with PayPal not being away of what a company with $10 million in their account is/was doing.

I'm on Ignition now too. Going to give it a try and see how that goes. I'm a total recreational player doing the low priced SnG's. I just want to putz around and not have all these hassles. I need to setup Bitcoin for Ignition though, so right now I'd say it's a tossup as to which site I'll be using.

Hey all. I had a wonderful time with Global Poker but PayPal was my main option of withdrawing money. Any ideas how I can cash out now? Don’t want to leave this platform and also don’t want to connect bank accounts directly. I also have Payoneer card, maybe it will work with Global Poker? Really, I enjoy games here but c’mon, PayPal was convenient. Don’t understand why they remove it. It’s sad.

There is a cashout/verification thread here:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2.../index112.html

You may glean from it the various options available with WorldPay, but linking it to an account seems to be the standard.

Has volume of games went down since they got rid of paypal ? Or are the games still good ?

I decided to email Paypal to see if I could get a response and this is what I got. (bad grammar and all)

"Good day and thanks for contacting PayPal. This is xxxxxxx from Customer Solutions, please excuse the automated response as it was designed for answering basic questions based on website selections.

I understand that you are curious about what's the reason behind the separation of the businesses. Well, there's no personal issue between two corporations, but it is more on the discrepancy of the policies.

Please be advised that PayPal would like to to empower and promote Four (4) major priorities to all users:

Secured
Safe
Easy, and
Convenient
Recently, PayPal do not accept anymore payments that will be in lined with the following:

1.Pornography
2.Gambling
VGW and PayPal were very good partners at all times, however, due to the changes with the policies, it is inevitable to avoid things to happened.

Rest assured that this has nothing to do with the legal matters, and reasons are more on internal policies.

I appreciate you understanding about this matter.

Thank you for being a valued customer of PayPal."


you guys can make judgement of that.

I have Worldpay as my Payment processor for my business ATM's and they are good, I'd be very surprised if they were the reason for the recent issues- you can make your own judgement on that also.

I loved GP in the beginning, almost all reasons for being a player there have disappeared(oh & they lied) I think my time on their felt is done.

Seems to have went down a fair bit in the last two weeks. I think it coincides with people not being able to deposit.

Well i havent logged into twoplustwo in years but ive reached out to global directly and they wont respond so i figured id ask publicly.... given all of the recent incidents with global poker, i am curious as to why to this day they are still publicly advertising "deposit and cashout via paypal" to new perspective players....

not sure how to post the image here maybe someone else can but the link i hosted on imgBB is below

https://ibb.co/exCiWU

i took this screenshot with my iphone in a pokernews article on facebook and thought everyone might find this interesting

Do you remember when you took this screenshot, because I agree, if ads are still being run that paypal is how the Gold Coins are purchased, that is a bad thing.