Yeah this is a strange one to be sure. Very interested how it all ends up getting resolved.

I was recently in a similar situation where PayPal had locked my account pending further details.

They had incorrectly flagged my PayPal acct as a business acct rather than personal and limited my ability to use it until i provided information on my business. I explained to them it was a personal acct and that I was not running a business through the account. At the time I had ~25k in the account which was essentially frozen. I could still receive payments however i couldnt send any money anywhere, no withdraws and no paying for other stuff.

The review process was ridiculous, i called PayPal and they didn't have the capacity to handle the situation over the phone. It took ~2 or 3 weeks before they removed the "Limited" status from my account. During that time i was in contact with Global as I had a withdraw pending asking them for possible alternatives and they had no other options. Even asked if I could switch the paypal acct on my global acct to my wifes in case worst case scenario happened with the PayPal "review" and they acted like that was not an option.

I used to think it was somewhat safe to keep funds on PayPal for easy access but now dont keep any on there. All withdraws are immediately moved to my bank account.

hello i am registered as behumble on your site i was told my account was closed but there was 50,000 inbetween a transfer from you to paypal that was not received and now paypal has also frozen my account. how can we remedy this situation and you get my money to me before I have to take legal recourse?

These are the vague answers I get. They tell me take it up with paypal when they know damn well my paypal account is now dysfunctional. So by default say I had 1 million dollars in your sites possession then paypal shuts my account down because some chinese hackers got into my stuff and did some fraud I'm out 1 million on your site? how can this be? How can there be no alternative or work with me more here on this matter. I even supplied with them a seperate paypal that is not locked that they could send to

IF I don't get a resolution soon I will leak the information regarding a member of the site saying he would work with me and get me paid no matter what (and a friend of mine too who will also leak it)

Esko X <stefandonaldson@gmail.com>
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i guess this must be handled full in face in the open on the two plus two forums where a bunch of traffic can see it, you are being of no help to me, paypal will NOT take the 50k transfer, so we are at a crosswords here. Work with me to get another way to get the money if that means me having to fly to australlia and get it myself I'm fine with that

Is keanu driving the bus? Where is Sandra Bullock? What drama!a

Damn man sorry to hear. Pitiful way for this site to handle this situation. They are looking shadier by the day.

There are probably pretty good reasons we haven't seen any other deposit / withdrawal methods enabled on Global, otherwise I'm sure they would have enabled them by now. They aren't going to limit the ways that people can access their site intentionally without good reason. I just don't even see how you have any ability to do anything legally, because the way that they operate
means that you technically don't have any real money on the site anyway. It's a very weird situation.

As soon as PayPal wakes up and realizes what's truly going on with this site (aka it's using a loophole to funnel money for online gambling), it's a wrap. The more they advertise and more transactions that go through, the quicker the red flag will be raised. Be safe and keep as little as needed on the site.

Yep. Its only been a year of operation on Global Poker, and even longer on their sister website... Chumba Casino. You would think if PayPal was going to hit something, it might be called... a casino. Perhaps gambling goes on there.

But you are probably right, any day now PayPal will wake up and close it all down.

All sarcasm aside, I do agree that you should only keep what you need to play on the site. But that is much more from a be wise in your bankroll management philosophy you should have, rather than a fear PayPal is going to close the doors on Global. So while I don't agree with how you reach your ends, I do agree with your ends. Keeping risk minimal in all investments is just wise money management. And no matter what any of us might think its still online poker in the US, and tomorrow the DOJ could do any number of things.

But to the OP, I really hope they do get all of this resolved. I see both sides, but Global really needs to find a way to get you the funds, despite PayPal being their only payment method. There just has to be another way.

if global is only going to use paypal as their funding method, they should have a more personal relationship with paypal corporate.

this whole, well we cant do anything and gl with talking to paypal stance is complete horsecrap.

id like to see a rep on here to try and help us understand why this isnt as bad as it sounds.

ever consider that maybe they do? this little closure saves global 50k, wouldnt be too difficult for them to work 'together' on a few on these would it? and we arent talking peanuts here.

+1, Global works directly with paypal they OBVIOUSLY know what's going on. This is a problem with paypal being absolutely terrible & isn't globals fault at all.

A little too tin foil hat imo, Global is backed by millions in venture capital. I really don't think 50k is that big of a deal in their financials.

MUCH MUCH more likely is they want to be careful not to set a precedent that they have other ways of paying players OTHER than PayPal, and with as public as this has been made, I could see Global approaching with trepidation that if they cut BeHumble a check, that this information won't get spread all over the internet. This could put them in a tough spot in the future.

And just to be clear, I want to see BeHumble get paid, and I am even fine with it being a check direct from Global, BUT I can see the other side of it as well.

So I doubt the 50k really bugs Global from the "Do we want to pay it" standpoint, and much more from the "Do we want to handle paying it another way than PayPal" standpoint.

I still think Global needs to do something about this overall situation, but I would also put the majority of the blame on PayPal as well. PayPal isn't my favorite company by far, and oh how I wish other payment alternatives had gotten more traction and the free market could correct some of PayPal's deficiencies.

I think what is more likely is that Gp's sweeps model would be in question were they to start cutting checks. Paypal may not like that either. That optimism from you splayaa is great but even you must admit global has done a very poor job for the last 2 weeks in many areas. They have failed in almost all of them other than here on 2+2 their 25 days of christmas. They have deleted threads, ignored threads, there is $ missing from accounts, this thread, the rake stuff, the hh's, come on bro I think it's time even you call a spade a spade. The writing is on the wall imo. It's like a souse who keeps beating you but says its because they love you and you are free to leave but they think you wont. Please stop telling them we don't mind being beaten and think we deserve it lol!

Here's another theory, GP could be so anti reg they are willing to go all the way to court and use some small print (maybe in Australia), like somebody said above how the "sweeps cash" isn't real $. If they start making the sweeps game look too much like poker they might be at risk so they need all these quirks and issues to separate them from the rest allowing them to do business in the 1st place. Maybe they take a month long holiday like I've heard of euros doing but this silence from the formus is as concerning as anything else imo.

Serious Q - does anybody remember if LockPoker had a paid for subform here on 2+2 before they ran off with millions? I think they did, not sure tho. A subform on 2+2 does not equate to trustworthiness I guess is what I'm saying, especially when they dont even help posters. Seems to me they are using it to help themselves far more than the community. If they ignore everything in this subforum and then roll out a new mtt series 1st week in Jan maybe that will help some people understand.

You’re very naive and delusional if you think everything is on the up and up and think PayPal is okay with this model. There is a reason Global doesn’t even fight chargebacks/ refunds on deposits people make with PayPal. If PayPal were true partners they would work with Global and know what players were doing. Same goes for BeHumbles situation.... partners would work together.

More realistic scenario...Global tells PayPal they’re a free poker room with collection coins people can buy as add ins or some **** like that and PayPal just rolls with it. Zero chance PayPal, a public traded company, knows and supports this business model practice. Odd how PayPal doesn’t promote this partnership, only Global. We need to wake up from fantasy land and realize there is always risk and these sites aren’t always on the up and up just because they’ve paid out for a year etc. Full Tilt paid out for like 5 years at one point...

Not sure I follow your logic that if they cut a check that some how undermines their sweeps model. Publisher's clearing house hands out all kinds of checks... like really really big ones

However I do agree that Global has made some missteps in the forums. I would also point out what you see isn't optimism, its realism. I want to see both sides represented fairly because that is best for all, but without a doubt (and read above if you aren't sure) I think Global needs to do something to rectify the situation here, but I also think the blame here is on PayPal. But just because PayPal is causing this mess, doesn't mean Global then doesn't have to do anything about it.

Agree to disagree. PayPal has been working with VGW for a while now and seeing these numbers fly back and forth. Keep in mind they also have a casino. Not just a poker room. That would likely set off more red flags than Global does... and guess what. It hasn't. Could one day the other shoe drop? Of course. But it won't be because PayPal wakes up and starts enforcing some law that doesn't apply here, or because PayPal is publicly traded. (Not even sure why PayPal being publicaly traded even has anything to do with what we are discussing)

And I don't see as odd that PayPal doesn't promote the relationship. There are literally tens of thousands of businesses that promote they use PayPal and PayPal doesn't promote them back. This isn't even a sound argument.

And as I have said many times before, and will likely say many times again, if you keep more money than you should on Global, that makes you foolish. What is that amount? That is up to you. But if you lose even 5 mins of sleep because your Global bankroll disappears, you are invested too deep, imo. Not because I think Global is sketchy, and not because PayPal will close Global's doors. But because you should ALWAYS invest your money wisely. And it isn't wise to keep money in a place that doesn't earn interest, and isn't insured and you can only get to through one funding method. Be wise with your finances... everyone.

Yes, Lock Poker had a sponsored forum here on 2+2. You can still view it, as it is archived: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/195/lock-poker/

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Kahn

OP pm me i will stake you on americas card room

They will not mess with you money

Pretty pathetic that a rep still hasn't responded. Why have a paid forum if you aren't going to respond to issues this serious as well as the money missing from account thread?

not even a cs respond, i see no other recourse besides legal action and i CAN fund it