Global doesn't seem to care at all about the bots at the micro's. I do not have experience with bots beyond $20NL and for that reason the bots I encounter are pretty garbage. That being said, do you think it is okay for them to

1) Make a bot with the intention of putting it against human players without them knowing.

2) In the case of the previous, for humans to openly discuss counter strategy to the bot.


These bots at the micro's, my ex, my sister (maybe starscream)
have huge leaks but there is only so much experimenting I can do on my own.

If i could get a Global rep to join a skype call with me and with 100% certainty tell them what this "player" is going to do when I make a certain play, why then do they "upon investigation find no evidence that they are botting"

I would love for one of the players with HUDs like /u/dont_be_so_niave to release the stats / info on the bots


edit:title is probably ****, just saying i think it wouldnt be right to openly discuss counter strategy vs another human, but what about a bot?

I think I have seen xxx talk before, so I don' think that's a bot. Interesting point about xxx possibly being a bot. They ARE there ALL of the time at 4NL. I never considered it was a bot until seeing this post. I thought xxx was run by a team of highly trained Estonian poker savants hidden in some bunker in Montana.

Again calling out people with no evidence, will just get this thread closed.

What would be evidence? I record their gameplay when I go AFK and review their play and find patterns that are ALWAYS repeated.


Find your own evidence by sitting at a table with me and my mom. I am equally certain about the 3 listed above being a bot, but have the most info on my ex because he doesnt seem to get upgraded like my wife does.

What evidence could I possibly have until its mandatory to wear a heart rate monitor to play online poker?

Those people arent bots lol, I love how people at micro stakes are convinced there are bots there. Those "patterns" are those people's tendancies. Played with all those people mentions, not bots. I get called a bot at least once a day on that site.

Lol. whats your name on global Jesse? I literally play with them all the time and can, again, tell you with 100% certainty what they will do in response to some of my plays. Tell me why you believe they aren't bots instead of just being like "lul micro players believe they are being beat by bots" when you are more than likely not a winning player so wouldnt have a clue what to look for anyway.



Apparently I'm not allowed to type out RIGHT here how to exploit Vau for example, but I invite you to come sit with me and you'll see.

"when you are more than likely not a winning player" haha you just presume **** out of thin air just like accusing players are bots when there have already been multiple threads about some of these players and global poker has cleared them. You're a fish reg that sits at 4nl tables at arguably one of the softest sites in the USA. If you already know what they are going to do in response to something why are you crying, thats free money.

When you need to ask other people to help "stratagize" against "bots" at 4NL that are super predictable you probably suck ass. Wait, you do suck ass cause I've played with you before.

lmfao. Which is why you kept your username private? my door open anytime if you think im a 'fish reg' very nice dude. Only presumed based on your post history that was available to me on this site.

for me to make a post about whether or not we should be talking about countering a bot to punish the players who make them? yeah thats is obviously me losing money to them

If you had half a brain, which is very obvious you dont, you could find my username in 30 seconds. You were already told not to publicly post usernames regarding these players and continue to say they are bots. Also love the fact that you asked this "I would love for one of the players with HUDs like /u/dont_be_so_niave to release the stats / info on the bots". Like someone would give you stats to 4NL players while being against TOS

Yeah the request for info from a hud is far stretched but go ahead and continue to not answer me when I ask your username. Funny that poker, which is a game that involves directly puting your money where your mouth is, and yet you are all bark no bite dont want to play me after saying im a fish reg?

Not going to play against someone as good as you and at such high stakes

Its strange that your initial reaction is to shame when its a fact of online poker that there are bots on every site.

How is one supposed to supply evidence, usually collected in statistical form, when you can't gather statistics from the site? How else would one call attention to a potentially huge issue?

I dunno its just weird that you felt so inclined to react the way you did to the post.

At first I just said those werent bots because ive played with each of those players there was no "shaming", he called me a losing player and I responded. Obviously there are going to be some bots at some degree but why start witch hunting these certain player, which is against the rules. What he's doing isnt providing any proof just saying he knows what these players will react to a certain play, that isnt proof. He asked to get database hands from a player that is breaking TOS, nothing about his post provided anything substantial. Go to the support site and let them know, dont publicly post about said players.

I still say, sit down at watch me play with my dog and that would be proof its a bot. Can you provide proof you are a winning player? Sharkscope wasnt looking too good for you... if you have any stats from sites other than global that would help.


There is a difference between a human's tendency and a bots routine

Bots I think are present but am I worried about them on Global? not really. You can't use a HUD or statistical data so the bot that you will be playing will be programmed to be play only one style. That is why you can easily spot them and take advantage of them (which I think you have already started to do). The bots that should worry folks are the ones on sites that utilize HUDs because they are programmed to exploit player tendencies. Just check out some of the ACR bots where most of the biggest winners up to 50nl are suspected bots (+200k hands playing EXACTLY the same). They'll just disappear even though they are winning and another one will show up. I really enjoy playing on rec-friendly sites now because of this (Global - No HUDs and Ignition - anonymous tables). On a side note, I find the irony of wanting to play a game via a computer on the internet that allows somebody to multitable, collect thousands-millions of hands to exploit other players, play versus players from around the globe and than whine when that very media is used to exploit you.

At the risk of sounding like uhmm, a robot, if you have any concerns about another player or if you see any activity that you think is suspect, please create a ticket via https://goo.gl/hqQEwv for our Game Integrity team to review.

As what the intoxicated cardsharp mentioned above, naming and shaming players without proof will only get this thread locked.