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05-23-2018 , 01:54 PM
I have asked for a complete audit of my account on May 20th. We will see what happens next. How many cash game players are missing money that still hasn't been resolved?
05-23-2018 , 02:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by riggity
Global needs to get this 100% right. Anything slightly off is going to cast a lot of suspicion on Global's future "server issues".
What do we do to raise awareness of the issue in the case they don't honor the overlay? I'm personally quite dubious at this point that they'll be honoring it, and I'd like it for it to be very -ev for them to do something like that in the future.
05-23-2018 , 02:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyopo
What do we do to raise awareness of the issue in the case they don't honor the overlay? I'm personally quite dubious at this point that they'll be honoring it, and I'd like it for it to be very -ev for them to do something like that in the future.
Right now it’s wait..... but those involved as well as those who are troubled by them potentially not honoring their own words or even responding to concerns, are watching very closely and continue to keep this issue in the public eye.

If there is anyone whom is not concerned about this, I would implore them to consider how they would feel to be ripped off after paying for promised goods or services, and not recieve it. This is what’s happening.

The complete lack of communication regarding this matter, and 0 transparency continues to be alarming.
05-23-2018 , 02:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyopo
What do we do to raise awareness of the issue in the case they don't honor the overlay? I'm personally quite dubious at this point that they'll be honoring it, and I'd like it for it to be very -ev for them to do something like that in the future.
If my issue isn't resolved soon I will make a post on NVG and then hammer them on their facebook account.
05-23-2018 , 03:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GlobalPoker_Joey
1) Cash Games - they are aware of this and missing funds will be returned to players over the next few hours

2) 26L and 26M will both be rolled forward as per our normal refund policy. This means that the overlay will be paid out to players

3) Other tournaments - our team are analyzing all tournaments held over the past 8 hours. Any other issues that are found will be compensated

4) Gold Coin Challenge Leaderboard funds will be paid out. The process on how to do this will be decided once these other issues are cleared.

Hope this helps. I will provide more updates as I get them!
So what's up Joey? The actual payout did not correlate to the message you put out. You guys need to explain this. The emails people are receiving are in direct contrast to your message Assuring us everything would be taken care of.
We are waiting.
05-23-2018 , 04:04 PM
One time can we get a decent site? How you guys are blowing something as simple as communication is pathetic. You act like a start-up still.


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05-23-2018 , 04:52 PM
Sorry you guys are dealing with missing money from cash games, Joey isnt responding which dosent help you guys, ill keep watching this thread, hopefully you guys get your money.
05-23-2018 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Turn River Ace
wow.. there are a ton of replies now missing from this thread? quite a few... mostly posts critical of Global Poker.
Nope. Still the same 8 posts that were deleted from the thread as of 2 days ago. At that time, I deleted one person's post that was laughing at people for thanking Global, and 4 posts replying to him. Prior to that, 3 people had deleted their own posts. That's it. Zero posts have been deleted for being critical of Global.

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Originally Posted by Turn River Ace
Global have 2+2 in their pockets now as well?
Advertisers have always had moderating rights in their own sponsored forum, but nowhere else. So yes, they can delete posts in their forum, but if that's ever being abused, posters could start a thread in the main Internet Poker forum about whatever issue they feel isn't being discussed. But that's not the case here.
05-23-2018 , 05:49 PM
Just coming across this thread, I feel like I am Missing money in my account (only play cash games fwiw). Only probably missing $20-$30 but still its my money. Any way to find out for sure if I am missing money?

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05-23-2018 , 07:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by razorbacker
I have asked for a complete audit of my account on May 20th. We will see what happens next. How many cash game players are missing money that still hasn't been resolved?
Im missing $460......looks like a ****ing moneygrab
05-23-2018 , 08:46 PM
Hey,

I hope everyone is well.

There has been a fair bit of confusion here so I have asked some questions of our product team to see what information I could find out for you.

This is what I have been able to gather:

Event 26 L

- The guarantee for this tournament was SC$15,000.
- There was SC$10,500 in players funds contributed to the tournament.
- At the time of the tournament ending, there were 427 players remaining in the event.
- Their SC$22 buy-ins combined to a total of SC$9,394.
- We refunded the SC$9,394 to players and divided the SC$10,500 amongst players using the guidelines listed above (50% divided equally and 50% by chip chop).
- This equals a total payout of SC$19,894, 33% more than the tournament guarantee

26 M

- The guarantee for the tournament was SC$40,000.
- There was SC$12,900 in players funds contributed to the tournament.
- At the time of the tournament ending, there were 116 players remaining in the event.
- Their SC$110 buy-ins combined to a total of SC$12,760.
- We refunded the SC$12,760 to players and divided the SC$12,900 amongst players using the guidelines listed above.
- This equals a total payout of SC$25,660.
- The additional SC$ in the guarantee was divided up and used to reimburse players taking part in Rattlesnake Open satellites running at the time of disconnect.
- This approach is reasonable as had these satellites been left to run to completion these are funds that would have been part of that prize pool.

All refunds and additional compensation was provided to tournament players within six hours of the site shut down. We were disappointed to have the tournaments fail but were happy to provide such generous compensation to our players in a quick and timely manner.

There have been some silly remarks made suggesting that we deliberately did this to avoid having to play an overlay. Of course, this is untrue.

In response to that please note.

2017 Eagle Cup: Tournaments Held: 122 Tournaments with an Overlay: 1 (The overlay was $440)

2018 Grizzly Games: Tournaments Held: Tournaments Held: 123 / Tournaments with an Overlay: 0

2018 Rattlesnake Open (Prior to final day): Tournaments Held: 75/ Tournaments with an Overlay: 0

Additionally, just a month ago, Global Poker Madness occurred with an SC$200k Guarantee. This is much larger than any of the events mentioned here and also did not have an overlay.

I hope that this information helps and thank you all for your support of Global Poker.
05-23-2018 , 08:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GlobalPoker_Joey
Hey,

I hope everyone is well.

There has been a fair bit of confusion here so I have asked some questions of our product team to see what information I could find out for you.

This is what I have been able to gather:

Event 26 L

- The guarantee for this tournament was SC$15,000.
- There was SC$10,500 in players funds contributed to the tournament.
- At the time of the tournament ending, there were 427 players remaining in the event.
- Their SC$22 buy-ins combined to a total of SC$9,394.
- We refunded the SC$9,394 to players and divided the SC$10,500 amongst players using the guidelines listed above (50% divided equally and 50% by chip chop).
- This equals a total payout of SC$19,894, 33% more than the tournament guarantee

26 M

- The guarantee for the tournament was SC$40,000.
- There was SC$12,900 in players funds contributed to the tournament.
- At the time of the tournament ending, there were 116 players remaining in the event.
- Their SC$110 buy-ins combined to a total of SC$12,760.
- We refunded the SC$12,760 to players and divided the SC$12,900 amongst players using the guidelines listed above.
- This equals a total payout of SC$25,660.
- The additional SC$ in the guarantee was divided up and used to reimburse players taking part in Rattlesnake Open satellites running at the time of disconnect.
- This approach is reasonable as had these satellites been left to run to completion these are funds that would have been part of that prize pool.

All refunds and additional compensation was provided to tournament players within six hours of the site shut down. We were disappointed to have the tournaments fail but were happy to provide such generous compensation to our players in a quick and timely manner.

There have been some silly remarks made suggesting that we deliberately did this to avoid having to play an overlay. Of course, this is untrue.

In response to that please note.

2017 Eagle Cup: Tournaments Held: 122 Tournaments with an Overlay: 1 (The overlay was $440)

2018 Grizzly Games: Tournaments Held: Tournaments Held: 123 / Tournaments with an Overlay: 0

2018 Rattlesnake Open (Prior to final day): Tournaments Held: 75/ Tournaments with an Overlay: 0

Additionally, just a month ago, Global Poker Madness occurred with an SC$200k Guarantee. This is much larger than any of the events mentioned here and also did not have an overlay.

I hope that this information helps and thank you all for your support of Global Poker.
what about cash game players still missing funds? they basically emailed me back and said too bad we refunded you correctly. I can PROVE im owed $460.....are you going to help me Joey?
05-23-2018 , 08:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GlobalPoker_Joey
Hey,

I hope everyone is well.

There has been a fair bit of confusion here so I have asked some questions of our product team to see what information I could find out for you.

This is what I have been able to gather:

Event 26 L

- The guarantee for this tournament was SC$15,000.
- There was SC$10,500 in players funds contributed to the tournament.
- At the time of the tournament ending, there were 427 players remaining in the event.
- Their SC$22 buy-ins combined to a total of SC$9,394.
- We refunded the SC$9,394 to players and divided the SC$10,500 amongst players using the guidelines listed above (50% divided equally and 50% by chip chop).
- This equals a total payout of SC$19,894, 33% more than the tournament guarantee

26 M

- The guarantee for the tournament was SC$40,000.
- There was SC$12,900 in players funds contributed to the tournament.
- At the time of the tournament ending, there were 116 players remaining in the event.
- Their SC$110 buy-ins combined to a total of SC$12,760.
- We refunded the SC$12,760 to players and divided the SC$12,900 amongst players using the guidelines listed above.
- This equals a total payout of SC$25,660.
- The additional SC$ in the guarantee was divided up and used to reimburse players taking part in Rattlesnake Open satellites running at the time of disconnect.
- This approach is reasonable as had these satellites been left to run to completion these are funds that would have been part of that prize pool.

All refunds and additional compensation was provided to tournament players within six hours of the site shut down. We were disappointed to have the tournaments fail but were happy to provide such generous compensation to our players in a quick and timely manner.

There have been some silly remarks made suggesting that we deliberately did this to avoid having to play an overlay. Of course, this is untrue.

In response to that please note.

2017 Eagle Cup: Tournaments Held: 122 Tournaments with an Overlay: 1 (The overlay was $440)

2018 Grizzly Games: Tournaments Held: Tournaments Held: 123 / Tournaments with an Overlay: 0

2018 Rattlesnake Open (Prior to final day): Tournaments Held: 75/ Tournaments with an Overlay: 0

Additionally, just a month ago, Global Poker Madness occurred with an SC$200k Guarantee. This is much larger than any of the events mentioned here and also did not have an overlay.

I hope that this information helps and thank you all for your support of Global Poker.
Joey....

Why would the $10 entry fee be counted as part of the prize pool?

How can you determine how many more players would or wouldn’t have entered via satellites?. All potential players were in, are you suggesting there would have been more entrants even at the break? We reached break in the 40k guarantee, wouldn’t registration have closed at that time? I snapped a photo of lobby at first break at 2:12pm PST. The tourney started at 1:15pm PST 115 entrants remained. What you say implies there would have been more players registering had they been able to finish satellites “that were still running” at the time of disconnect. How many was that and would they have made it in time to enter the tourney that was on break? How many players in these satellites were there? What was their share?Are you really saying that you gave $14,340 to players that were in satellites without explaining the logic, the number of ppl, and how much they each got?!!??

Why for 3 days has there been no comment whatsoever?

Last edited by JenniGre; 05-23-2018 at 09:12 PM.
05-23-2018 , 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavyc819
what about cash game players still missing funds? they basically emailed me back and said too bad we refunded you correctly. I can PROVE im owed $460.....are you going to help me Joey?
Hey Heacyc819,

Can you send me a PM of your conversation with support as well as any other info so I can look into this for you?

Thanks
05-23-2018 , 09:19 PM
Hi JenniGre,

Not sure what you mean re the SC$10, I will send you a PM to discuss to avoid sidetracking the conversation.

Re satellites. This wasn't a forecast, I was referring to players who were literally registered/playing in a satellite at the time.

Hope this helps.
05-23-2018 , 09:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GlobalPoker_Joey
Hey Heacyc819,

Can you send me a PM of your conversation with support as well as any other info so I can look into this for you?

Thanks
sure thing. I took screenshots of my balances on every table as soon as the crash happened via hand history, I also know the exact account balance that was showing for the duration of my missing funds.
05-23-2018 , 09:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GlobalPoker_Joey
Hi JenniGre,

Not sure what you mean re the SC$10, I will send you a PM to discuss to avoid sidetracking the conversation.

Re satellites. This wasn't a forecast, I was referring to players who were literally registered/playing in a satellite at the time.

Hope this helps.
I think JenniGre means that the entire SC$110 entry for each player was tallied up and subtracted from the prize pool guarantee to calculate the overlay amount remaining, while in actuality, only SC$100 of the SC$110 entry would have contributed to the prize pool should the tournament have ran to completion.

Also, I'm having difficulty understanding how SC$14,000+ of the promised overlay could've been used to cover satellite players playing while the main tournament was running. That purports that there were still ~130 players to be awarded seats to the event AFTER the break. I checked what satellites were scheduled/running on the day, and to my recollection, there were nowhere near enough satellite players to make up that many event seats, even with a generous forecast of registrants.
05-23-2018 , 09:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GlobalPoker_Joey
Hi JenniGre,

Not sure what you mean re the SC$10, I will send you a PM to discuss to avoid sidetracking the conversation.

Re satellites. This wasn't a forecast, I was referring to players who were literally registered/playing in a satellite at the time.

Hope this helps.
Yes but how many players? So any player that was in the satellite got paid?
05-23-2018 , 09:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyopo
I think JenniGre means that the entire SC$110 entry for each player was tallied up and subtracted from the prize pool guarantee to calculate the overlay amount remaining, while in actuality, only SC$100 of the SC$110 entry would have contributed to the prize pool should the tournament have ran to completion.

Also, I'm having difficulty understanding how SC$14,000+ of the promised overlay could've been used to cover satellite players playing while the main tournament was running. That purports that there were still ~130 players to be awarded seats to the event AFTER the break. I checked what satellites were scheduled/running on the day, and to my recollection, there were nowhere near enough satellite players to make up that many event seats, even with a generous forecast of registrants.
There weren’t many. And it seems regardless their stack or probability of earning a ticket, they got part of the pool. Not right!
05-23-2018 , 10:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JenniGre
There weren’t many. And it seems regardless their stack or probability of earning a ticket, they got part of the pool. Not right!
I was in a $30 satellite to the 100K main event when things started crashing, couldn’t see lobby to see how many were left, or see what the averages were etc. all the issues caused me to mis play. I did not recieve anything for that. But players that weren’t even in the placing to ear a satty ticket got a share of the 40k prize?
No where in your policy regarding cancelled tournaments does it say anything about dividing prize pool to pore satellite entrants. Furthermore, you haven’t explained how many, and how much got a portion of the money. Was it everyone? Things are being told to us in such a cryptic manner...
05-24-2018 , 02:13 AM
0 tournaments with overlays, thats very suprising
05-24-2018 , 02:58 AM
This is rUeTaMa

You are lying.
I've already published EXACTLY how you calculated the refunds and EXACTLY how you shorted the 40k overlay by $14,870

But since you decided to come here and lie some more instead of making it right, I'm about to systematically debunk all of these lies you posted and destroy any shred of credibility you or your scumbag company has left.

My comments in BOLD

Quote:
Originally Posted by GlobalPoker_Joey
Hey,

I hope everyone is well.

There has been a fair bit of confusion here so I have asked some questions of our product team to see what information I could find out for you.
You mean what sort of backpedal excuses you could come up with

This is what I have been able to gather:

Event 26 L

- The guarantee for this tournament was SC$15,000.
- There was SC$10,500 in players funds contributed to the tournament.
- At the time of the tournament ending, there were 427 players remaining in the event.
- Their SC$22 buy-ins combined to a total of SC$9,394.
- We refunded the SC$9,394 to players and divided the SC$10,500 amongst players using the guidelines listed above (50% divided equally and 50% by chip chop).
- This equals a total payout of SC$19,894, 33% more than the tournament guarantee
And why exactly would you do this instead of paying out the tournament according to the published policy---why do these players deserve even more on top of the entire guaranteed prizepool and their buyin back?

26 M

- The guarantee for the tournament was SC$40,000.
- There was SC$12,900 in players funds contributed to the tournament.
- At the time of the tournament ending, there were 116 players remaining in the event. No there weren't 115 was verified post break by players with updated lobbies....so there were not more than 115 in at crash 25min later. There were actually 114 left
- Their SC$110 buy-ins combined to a total of SC$12,760. (12540 for 114)
- We refunded the SC$12,760 to players and divided the SC$12,900 amongst players using the guidelines listed above. Again why this instead of your policy?
- This equals a total payout of SC$25,660.

So your claim is that payment for any remaining player in the 40k should be:
$110 + $55.60(6450/116)+.005/chip (6450/1.29M in play)
OR put more simply 165.60 + .005/chip

My refund was 210.66. So chipchop=45.06. I'd need 9012 chips. I had 7600ish
UNFORGIVABLE's refund: 239.38. So chip chop=73.78. He needs 14,750. He had 13000ish
WizOfAz's refund was 247.68. chipchop=82.08. He need 16,416. He had 14500ish
I can keep going with these...I've compiled a spreadsheet from 15 different player with their actual payout and approximate stack (3 had exact stacks with screenshots)

The point is: this math proves you're STILL lying about how you calculated the refund. If you were telling the truth the math would result in the refunds you sent.....instead: My math arrives at the refunds we actually received:

Ive already published exactly how you calculated the refund: You took the 40k pool and subtracted $110 x 114* remaining from it to get 27460 remaining to be chopped.
You took half of that and divided 114 ways for equal share of 60.44**
The other half you divided up chip chop at a value of .010643/chip**
YOU THEN HALVED the chop amounts to 30.22 and effectively .00532/chip

* Unethical move #1: the $10 rake portion of refund should come from the $1290 in rake Global took, NOT from the $12900 in prize money they collected OR from the additional 27.1k in overlay they are obligated for. The pool to be chopped should be 28,600. NOT 27,460.

** Unethical move #2: You blatantly and deliberately awarded HALF of the value for equal share and chip chop portions prescribed by your published policy.
The combo of these 2 unethical moves saved you $14,870 in payouts vs following your published policy to the letter for the 40k prizepool***

***Unethical move#3: If you go to your published policy today there is a note at the bottom saying " Please note that for guaranteed prize-pools, the card room will only pay out according t the contributed prize-pool based on buyins, and not the guaranteed amount." THIS WAS ADDED LATE TUESDAY in prelude to sending out that email claiming this hogwash method of wonky math was used in place of the published policy. We have screenshots of the policy page sunday and money where that note is not present. It was added later in another deliberate act of Global backtracking/trying to cover their tracks. Any one with web skills can see what your page looked like Sunday when you came on here and told this community that you would A) pay out the 40k according to that policy and B) honor the overlay. You have done neither.

All the rest of these bogus claims below about using part of the 40k overlay to give to satellite winners, or other tournaments, etc etc etc...are bogus because once you look at the math its clear you were lying about how you did the payout to save yourselves $14,870. Once we've established you're STILL lying to us, you've lost all credibility or benefit of the doubt.
But in case you come around to admitting that and then want to claim you used that money for the benefit of other players:



- The additional SC$ in the guarantee was divided up and used to reimburse players taking part in Rattlesnake Open satellites running at the time of disconnect.
- This approach is reasonable as had these satellites been left to run to completion these are funds that would have been part of that prize pool.

This approach is not reasonable at all. You can't double dip the funds that are currently in the satellite pool and treat them as if those players were actually in the 40k. Also, the satellite pool was either already whole via player buyins OR was the responsibility of Global to make up SEPERATE from the 40k pool. By your logic ...you could offer a 40k guarantee tourney and run satellites with 20 seats guaranteed all week....and then at the end the 40k prizepool would be reduced by any satellite overlays you paid. Nu-uh. That's not how this works and you know better. Also, there were not enough satellites running on Saturday to fill 271 seats. Claiming there were is even more outrageous than the lie about he payout math calculations you tried to post here.

All refunds and additional compensation was provided to tournament players within six hours of the site shut down. We were disappointed to have the tournaments fail but were happy to provide such generous compensation to our players in a quick and timely manner.

Why would those players receive additional compensation beyond splitting up their individual tournament pools each according to the published policy? Why is the 40k the only tournament you deem to not deserve "additional compensation" ---but think should be distributing its overlay to give compensation to other prize pools?? This is all just jibber jabber trying to claim you used the money you shorted the 40k overly by elsewhere: you didn't. And if you did...it wasn't your right to make that decision after promising you'd honor the overlay according to your cancellation policy---and on the day of the crash your cancellation policy did not have that little note at the end saying you weren't on the hook for the guarantee. That's easily provable so you might as well own up to that now.

Also, when you take money from one group of players and give it to another, that's not you giving "generous compensation" ...that is you stealing from one prizepool to pay another for your mistake instead of paying it all out of your own pockets...which is the correct thing to do. To come in here with your blatant lies and have the nerve to try to paint yourselves as 'generous" is a slap in the face to this forum and this community.


There have been some silly remarks made suggesting that we deliberately did this to avoid having to play an overlay. Of course, this is untrue.

I don't believe anyone reading this post and watching me systematically debunk and expose every one of your lies would call my comments "silly".
I think they would call your comments lies.
In addition, I've clearly proven your actions were deliberate not accidental oversights: You didnt accidentally halve the chip chop share and equal share of the remaining 114 players. That was deliberate. You didn't accidentally concoct a bogus calculation method to post on here --insulting our intelligence by assuming no one would do the math and see it doesn't work--and you didn't accidentally sneak that little note about guaranteed tournaments at the end of your cancellation policy page to try to claim you are "following policy" to reneg on the overlay (even after you promised ITT to pay the overlay)

You are the one looking silly sir. Not me.


In response to that please note.

2017 Eagle Cup: Tournaments Held: 122 Tournaments with an Overlay: 1 (The overlay was $440)

2018 Grizzly Games: Tournaments Held: Tournaments Held: 123 / Tournaments with an Overlay: 0

2018 Rattlesnake Open (Prior to final day): Tournaments Held: 75/ Tournaments with an Overlay: 0

Additionally, just a month ago, Global Poker Madness occurred with an SC$200k Guarantee. This is much larger than any of the events mentioned here and also did not have an overlay.

And your point is?? Just because you've played russian roulette and won 7 times over the course of the last 8 months doesn't mean you're guaranteed to win the next time. If your point is that you wouldn't have had an overlay were it not for technical/hardware problems...boohoo. Thats not the players' fault or problem. It's yours. Pay up and honor the overlay or admit that your an unethical company who doesn't deserve an ounce of this communities trust or benefit of the doubt in any other arena.


I hope that this information helps and thank you all for your support of Global Poker.
In case it's lost on anyone here: If they are willing to lie, deceive, backpedal, lie some more, etc over $14,870....what makes you think for a second they won't abscond with all the players' money if things ever go south for them???

In gambling your name is EVERYTHING. If a company is willing to tarnish theirs over such a small amount of money its says a LOT about them.

Last edited by AmAtEuR_backwards; 05-24-2018 at 03:04 AM. Reason: typo
05-24-2018 , 03:41 AM
Yea, globalpoker not looking so hot right now.

Could you post screenshots of the original published policy along with proof of it being edited after-the-fact on Tuesday?
05-24-2018 , 03:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GlobalPoker_Joey
Hey Heacyc819,

Can you send me a PM of your conversation with support as well as any other info so I can look into this for you?

Thanks
So Joey here asks me to send him a PM with all of the details so he could investigate further. I did as he asked and guess what? no PM return by Joey, I did however get another email from Global saying well we reviewed your account and your owed nothing. What a bunch of scumbags.....its simple its a moneygrab, they stole money from their players. very simple from this point cash out and walk away
05-24-2018 , 05:16 AM

      
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