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01-25-2018 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by big bwalz
if that was said and done at my local card room in So cal you wouldnt make it out of the parking lot under your own power if it became a long term pattern
Then you live around a bunch of delusional degenerates.

Anyone who understands both poker, logic, and adds in a little common sense would know poker owes you nothing. It doesn't owe you good cards, suck outs, and that it also doesn't owe you "x amount of time with a player". Each and every hand is individual. If you can't adjust to wins, losses, new players, etc then there is probably a reason you're grinding your local 1/2 casino games.

Do you know how many idiots on Global try to play me heads up? Great idea when a 3rd player will sit in a matter of seconds. So everyone needs to stop whining and acting like they're owed something. If another player sits, the game dynamics change with it anyways.
01-25-2018 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ep0129
I come from live poker too so maybe it's an acceptable thing to do online. I brought it up simply because I'm seeing it happen more and more. Maybe he had to leave his house or something and the hand happened at the same time idk. Just wanted to see if anyone else was dealing with others who do the same.

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Anytime you sit in a game, online or live, there is a chance the player will leave on any given hand. When is it okay to quit? After you've played "x" hours (now they're going by your agenda), after "x" buyins won? after "X buyins lost?

The reality is I can't assume my opponents are going to rebuy just as much as I can't assume they'll stay if I lose a buyin. Adapt or don't sit.
01-25-2018 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by StaYSMacKed
Then you live around a bunch of delusional degenerates.

Anyone who understands both poker, logic, and adds in a little common sense would know poker owes you nothing. It doesn't owe you good cards, suck outs, and that it also doesn't owe you "x amount of time with a player". Each and every hand is individual. If you can't adjust to wins, losses, new players, etc then there is probably a reason you're grinding your local 1/2 casino games.

Do you know how many idiots on Global try to play me heads up? Great idea when a 3rd player will sit in a matter of seconds. So everyone needs to stop whining and acting like they're owed something. If another player sits, the game dynamics change with it anyways.
i dont grind my local 1/2 games, doesn't change the fact that if you or anyone hit and run and acted proud about it, agaisn they'd get ko'd in the parking lot. Its caled lake elsinore casino, they have an upper and lower parking lot, fights are allowed, they just make said combatants leave 15 mins apart and thru sep parking lots. The reality is act right and proper or get ko'd and maybe carted away.

your whole post is pretty much right, and i agree with it cuz im a seasoned n trained player too but bottom line if u keep hitting n running and acting proud and hoillering what ur posting its gonna end in a hospital trip for anybody no matter where one plays live poker.
01-25-2018 , 06:01 PM
pro tip for all the millenials here - people over 30 years of age and that have been around for a while wont think twice about beating the brakes off you if given the chance especially if u ask for it and act surprised. There's almost nothing better than hitting a loudmouth that has never been punched before nor thinks its possible, the reaction is priceless.
01-25-2018 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by big bwalz
i dont grind my local 1/2 games, doesn't change the fact that if you or anyone hit and run and acted proud about it, agaisn they'd get ko'd in the parking lot. Its caled lake elsinore casino, they have an upper and lower parking lot, fights are allowed, they just make said combatants leave 15 mins apart and thru sep parking lots. The reality is act right and proper or get ko'd and maybe carted away.

your whole post is pretty much right, and i agree with it cuz im a seasoned n trained player too but bottom line if u keep hitting n running and acting proud and hoillering what ur posting its gonna end in a hospital trip for anybody no matter where one plays live poker.
lol @ fights are allowed like the casino condones it. Pretty sure assault is still illegal, even in the People's Republic of California. Now that rec 420 is passed maybe they'll mellow out some.
01-25-2018 , 06:03 PM
as a matter of fat the reason i dont grind my local cardroomm is that its so garage style and ive seen so much shady things. They have to manage their old boy room.
01-25-2018 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by glutenfree
lol @ fights are allowed like the casino condones it. Pretty sure assault is still illegal, even in the People's Republic of California. Now that rec 420 is passed maybe they'll mellow out some.
its the lake elsinore casino, whre jerry yang earned his stripes before he won the wsop main and ya fights are pretty much allowed, among other things
01-25-2018 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by glutenfree
lol @ fights are allowed like the casino condones it. Pretty sure assault is still illegal, even in the People's Republic of California. Now that rec 420 is passed maybe they'll mellow out some.
they absolutely condoned it, and they will now, wanna make a prop bet and il go play a live nightly and ill prove it lol?
01-25-2018 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by glutenfree
lol @ fights are allowed like the casino condones it. Pretty sure assault is still illegal, even in the People's Republic of California. Now that rec 420 is passed maybe they'll mellow out some.
the problem with your argument is that the casino would have to admit assualt happened and turn over tapes, thats a big reach lol, not to mention bad for business, especially when its owned by a buncha old active/retired bikers.. hmmm
01-25-2018 , 06:10 PM
Thats why you carry a gun.
01-25-2018 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Sirbustalotz
Thats why you carry a gun.
+1 and that would prevent a lot of issues I should look into that. Or perhaps a giant sword? I've often wondered how people would react, u know the usual "ima go to my car n get my gun" remark if a crazy mofo walked into a bar with a viking sword or axe? that shut people up lol! or get me shot right quick cuz nobody would wanna get chopped. live poker is for real boys, wake up kiddos
01-25-2018 , 06:23 PM
It's insanely hard to constantly hit n run at a casino. Unless the guys are that awful that they constantly are donating every other hand. The tough guy image is played out too. Nobody is beating players up outside a casino over a player doubling up and leaving.
01-25-2018 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by StaYSMacKed
It's insanely hard to constantly hit n run at a casino. Unless the guys are that awful that they constantly are donating every other hand. The tough guy image is played out too. Nobody is beating players up outside a casino over a player doubling up and leaving.
true and true but if ur gonna make a pattern of hit n run then a) u get no action, b) people take action from you in their own way. Poker isnt as soft and cushy as most here would like to believe its a nasty dangerous career at best.
01-25-2018 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ep0129
I come from live poker too so maybe it's an acceptable thing to do online. I brought it up simply because I'm seeing it happen more and more. Maybe he had to leave his house or something and the hand happened at the same time idk. Just wanted to see if anyone else was dealing with others who do the same.

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I mean people are free to leave whenever. Was it his bb when he sat out? Plenty of times I've won a big pot and sat out next hand. Sometimes it just coincides with when I was done playing. No big deal in my opinion.
01-25-2018 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Rutledge Smitty
I mean people are free to leave whenever. Was it his bb when he sat out? Plenty of times I've won a big pot and sat out next hand. Sometimes it just coincides with when I was done playing. No big deal in my opinion.
100% but people need to understand and respect the difference is all. if you stack somebody live and then ask for racks its ok the 1st time but dont expect to get action again. and if u do get action and rack off again dont be surprised about what random drunk recs decide to do is all im saying.
01-25-2018 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 1loNgGr1ND
It’s not 2006. No one plays that gay SS strategy anymore. Have some balls and learn how to play post flop.
1. What exactly is a "gay" strategy?

2. The strategy calls for a lot of postflop play, so your comment proves that you're a troll. The vast majority of the hands I play I see a flop.

3. While I always appreciate advice on how I can improve my poker play, my question had nothing to do with the efficacy of the short stack strategy. I was merely asking if it was unethical for me to "hit and run" in this fashion?

Have a blessed day!
01-25-2018 , 07:17 PM
There's a card room in Lake Elsinore? Why wouldn't you just play at Pechanga?
01-25-2018 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by big bwalz
i strongly agree with the bolded part.

I also was fairly sure lagtight was trolling us with his "strategy" q hence my solid reply! I could be wrong maybe he wasn't kidding or whatever, I see the polarized devils advocate value to his post and q, at least that's how i interpreted it.

edit - trolling was probably not the best thing to call the 30bbs post, more of a polarized example to prove a point and I like it.
Hi big bwalz.

Actually, I wasn't trolling. The strategy I use is based on a book by Jimmie James called "Automatic Poker."

James multi-tabled for almost a year on Bovada using his short stack strategy, which he called "The Spare Change Challenge." He streamed the action, which is available on his Youtube channel "Automatic Poker." He started with about $25 and ran it up around $4000 mostly using the short stack strategy. (I think maybe close to half of these profits came from MTT and STT play.)

While certainly not optimal, the SSS can certainly turn a profit with a much lower risk-of-ruin than buying in full.
01-25-2018 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by LFS
There's a card room in Lake Elsinore? Why wouldn't you just play at Pechanga?
is that a serious q? 1st off i live 10 mins from lerc
01-25-2018 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Hi big bwalz.

Actually, I wasn't trolling. The strategy I use is based on a book by Jimmie James called "Automatic Poker."

James multi-tabled for almost a year on Bovada using his short stack strategy, which he called "The Spare Change Challenge." He streamed the action, which is available on his Youtube channel "Automatic Poker." He started with about $25 and ran it up around $4000 mostly using the short stack strategy. (I think maybe close to half of these profits came from MTT and STT play.)

While certainly not optimal, the SSS can certainly turn a profit with a much lower risk-of-ruin than buying in full.
its a q of what stakes and at the 4$nl id imagine its true. Id also bet its far less than the best strategy but to each his own. thanks for posting the youtube info but trust me even tho it may be or was profitable i'd surmise there's better gameplans for the current atmosphere n games available to us.
01-25-2018 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by big bwalz
pro tip for all the millenials here - people over 30 years of age and that have been around for a while wont think twice about beating the brakes off you if given the chance especially if u ask for it and act surprised. There's almost nothing better than hitting a loudmouth that has never been punched before nor thinks its possible, the reaction is priceless.
lol at trying to trendily roast millennials while also showing how much of a child you are

Last edited by Jftwin; 01-25-2018 at 09:47 PM.
01-25-2018 , 09:39 PM
big bwalz have you ever taken an IQ test? i believe there's a greater than zero chance you might be legally ******ed
01-25-2018 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by HoodedN
big bwalz have you ever taken an IQ test? i believe there's a greater than zero chance you might be legally ******ed
Since I KNOW that big_bwalz is extremely intelligent, and that I don't know you from anything other than this stupid post, your statement is definitely true for you, but not for big_bwalz.

Have a blessed day.

P.S. Your statement IS true for me, however.

Last edited by lagtight; 01-25-2018 at 11:00 PM. Reason: added a p.s.
01-25-2018 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by big bwalz
its a q of what stakes and at the 4$nl id imagine its true. Id also bet its far less than the best strategy but to each his own. thanks for posting the youtube info but trust me even tho it may be or was profitable i'd surmise there's better gameplans for the current atmosphere n games available to us.
The author of the book himself admits that the short stack is not the most +EV strategy out there, even for nanostakes. But, apparently it "works" (i.e. likely +EV) for stakes maybe as high as 25nl.

It's basically offered as a relatively low-risk way to build a roll with a minimum chance of going busto. There is no pretense in the book that this is anything close to an optimal strategy, or even one that would necessarily even be +EV at high stakes.

Once a decent bankroll is accrued through the SSS, one can then "graduate" for playing with a 100 big blind stack.
01-25-2018 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Since I KNOW that big_bwalz is extremely intelligent, and that I don't know you from anything other than this stupid post, your statement is definitely true for you, but not for big_bwalz.

Have a blessed day.

P.S. Your statement IS true for me, however.
since lagtight literally means nothing i suggest you change your name to betacuck

      
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