sorry- I'm sure this has been asked many times over the years.... but:

How does the hand dealing logic (programming) work?

Is the entire hand (all hole cards and flop/turn/river) all determined at the beginning of the hand or is each card determined based on some random calculation (and based on whatever cards are still available) just before they are actually "dealt' to the player (and/or turned over) on the board?

I'm not suggesting this would have any bearing on outcomes..... I was just wondering.........

Good question, I seem to remember Stars (way back when I could play there) advertised a "continuous shuffle" but I don't know that I've ever seen a specific description for GP.

.......so, nobody knows...

or, at least, those who know ain't sayin'?

From their website:

thank you! tho RNG logic doesn't quite answer the hand-dealing-logic question. But, I appreciate the input/feedback!

Maybe the term "background cycling" is its description of a "continuous shuffle." Not sure.

As an aside, I always thought fixed runouts at the deal for online poker was sketchy cause I worried someone would be able to hack that and see it ahead of time. Might be silly or paranoid but I also assumed continuous shuffling until each card's showtime was, at least in part, to prevent that.

I obviously have not done much research on this subject. I try to win but play for fun.

seems like a legit RNG

This is an excellent point. Most poker sites I know of essentially has a 'continuous' shuffle' after the hands are dealt. Someone hacking(or a super user) could most certainly see the run out and this is a genuine concern.

I am not certain if Global does as well.

There is a bit of a paradox with the continuous shuffle, when you fold what would have been a monster, had you played the hand would have seen a different flop and run out because the conditions would have been different resulting in a different deal, unlike a live game.

I remind myself of this when I notice I folded what would have been a monster hand.

In live poker, if you would have taken a card, the run out would have been different.

Nope

Once the cards are dealt, the flop, turn and river is set(beware of home games that deal the turn and river face down prematurely, especially while there still is action from the previous round) An accidental exposed card becomes the burn card so the again the deal is set in a live game.

Obviously 7 card stud games, draw games, ect.. are different...but I was referring to Hold em and Omaha (the 2 games that account for 99% of the poker games).

You will have to explain that one to me. If I fold the flop, the burn & turn cards are different than if I had taken a card.

Are you referring to hold 'em and omaha?

With those games, as soon as the deck is shuffled and cut, the cards are set(assuming no mis deal).

Someone folding has no effect on the community cards(flop, river and turn).

The fear of online play is if the deck is not continuously shuffled after cards a dealt, it is possible for a super user or hacker to know what the community cards will be.

When the deck is continually shuffled, even the amount of time one takes to make a decision in theory would change the deal for the next card(s).

The "run out" is different in "draw" games, like 7-card stud, or 5 card draw as players drop-out of a hand..

But, this thread was mainly about NL-HE (I wasn't specific - but since that's what is mainly played it was my main focus).

but, outside of a player not ante-ing (in a ring game) which could affect how the hand is run out...

once the deal starts there can be no change to the run out in a hold-'em game... which is what this OP thread was about...

2-hole cards to each
burn-card/flop
burn-card/turn
burn-card/river...

no matter what any player does... the run-out is ALWAYS the same in LIVE poker..

I think I had a minor brain malfunction. I was thinking pre-flop and talking about post flop.

No response from Global on this huh?

Some sites use single shuffle RNG like Bovada. Some use continuous shuffle. Theoretically the continuous shuffle would be harder to crack, but even cracking the single shuffle is insanely difficult to impossible. If you are capable of cracking an RNG you don't need poker to make money.

Why would they release information about the hand dealing logic? That would make it easier for would-be attackers to narrow the scope of what they were trying to do.

As someone previously mentioned, if someone could crack this they wouldn't need the money made from playing on this site even at the highest limits which would get sussed out quick.

The concern here is, almost always, that an insider could abuse. But, it wouldn't be worth it to be playing .05/.10 as a super user and the traffic is so low at the higher limits I feel like this would get sussed out pretty quick.

https://globalpoker.com/global-poker-legit/ <---explains their rng ect

im not entirely sure but maybe they bought up or they themselves ran quarter poker prior to the patent going through. very similar looking software and even some avatars i think where shared. perhaps it was a guinea pig of sorts.

if i remember right each day on quarter poker one could redeem .25 for logging in and use that to play with a $50 max cashout to paypal. also could use the money to purchase avatars. they had to run bots though to fill the games as there just wasnt enough players and it slowly died. which was sad at the time cuz it fun to mess around on.