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Is Global Poker's traffic declining? Is Global Poker's traffic declining?

06-19-2021 , 12:01 AM
Recently, I have seen that the global cash games have seem to decline and its hard for me to get tables up. Use to be able to easily get 8-10 tables going during the weekdays, now you can barely get that on the weekends. Just curious if you guys notice it too.
06-19-2021 , 01:23 AM
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06-19-2021 , 04:21 AM
I assume you are asking about Holdem as if it were the only poker game that exists. NLH is dying, time to learn to play poker and not just Holdem.

NLH has been solved and once a poker game is solved, it begins a slow agonizing descent into oblivion. Feel free to disagree, after a game has been solved, more and more players begin to play in a similar manner, reducing the edge, a good player has over an average player. When everyone plays in a similar manner, the only big winner is the Rake.

Last edited by steamboatin; 06-19-2021 at 04:23 AM. Reason: spelling
06-19-2021 , 08:45 AM
It's the summer lul happens every year on every site action picks back in August when student loans come through
06-19-2021 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by steamboatin
I assume you are asking about Holdem as if it were the only poker game that exists. NLH is dying, time to learn to play poker and not just Holdem.

NLH has been solved and once a poker game is solved, it begins a slow agonizing descent into oblivion. Feel free to disagree, after a game has been solved, more and more players begin to play in a similar manner, reducing the edge, a good player has over an average player. When everyone plays in a similar manner, the only big winner is the Rake.
The fact that you can't beat 10NL doesn't mean NL is "solved".
06-19-2021 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by steamboatin
I assume you are asking about Holdem as if it were the only poker game that exists. NLH is dying, time to learn to play poker and not just Holdem.

NLH has been solved and once a poker game is solved, it begins a slow agonizing descent into oblivion. Feel free to disagree, after a game has been solved, more and more players begin to play in a similar manner, reducing the edge, a good player has over an average player. When everyone plays in a similar manner, the only big winner is the Rake.
been reading nlh is solved for 15 years
06-19-2021 , 01:33 PM
lol NLHE is far from "solved" and even if it were "solved" the games would still be great.

I assume by "solved" you are referring to GTO solutions. Which are still far from perfect, and quite difficult to implement well (not impossible but requires a LOT of work off the tables which let's be frank, 90%+ of the poker playing population will never do).

Let's hypothetically suggest NLHE is "fully solved". The vast majority of players at micros and I'd say large majority at mid-stakes won't study this to the level they can implement it well consistently. They will make lots of mistakes, and that's just those who try. Many won't even try. Further, what happens as people try to study and figure GTO things out, is they tend to get mentally locked in to "must gto, must balance, must call top of range here, must do this, must do that" when in fact those things are very wrong in pools where players are doing things that are super exploitable, which is, like, literally all micro pools and almost all mid stakes pools. Getting comfortable with GTO solutions is a great learning tool and building block to know where to deviate from to exploit opponents. It will come in extremely handy to be well versed in GTO solutions and concepts if you're playing a 25K at WSOP or get heads up vs. Fedor or Chidwick. If you're trying to do these things at 10nl, you are doing 10nl wrong.
06-19-2021 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by steamboatin
I assume you are asking about Holdem as if it were the only poker game that exists. NLH is dying, time to learn to play poker and not just Holdem.

NLH has been solved and once a poker game is solved, it begins a slow agonizing descent into oblivion. Feel free to disagree, after a game has been solved, more and more players begin to play in a similar manner, reducing the edge, a good player has over an average player. When everyone plays in a similar manner, the only big winner is the Rake.
Anyone with a brain will disagree with you. Really all you need to beat the Global micros. Just because clicking buttons is slightly harder than the sweeps handouts doesn't mean the games are doomed. People open-shoving K5s UTG for 150BBs isn't a trend discovered in Monkersolver that is winning.

Sites tend to struggle with traffic over the summer. Last year was an exception with covid. With some normalcy returning, people are going to be in casinos or generally outdoors and away from the online felt. Traffic should bump up during the cold-weather seasons again. Until then, it usually peaks in those after work hours of 5-10pm. (Maybe things like SNGs have been dead for a while but I don't keep up with those)
06-19-2021 , 02:54 PM
beats me...........

but, I play mostly SnGs...... and, totally unscientific, but recently, it seems to take longer to get a full table and start
06-19-2021 , 03:08 PM
Solvers only work for heads up play and they require assumptions about how villain is playing that will always be imperfect. No human can perfectly replicate a solver either. Chess is solved even better than nlh yet people still play chess.
06-19-2021 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JesseRWTanaka
Recently, I have seen that the global cash games have seem to decline and its hard for me to get tables up. Use to be able to easily get 8-10 tables going during the weekdays, now you can barely get that on the weekends. Just curious if you guys notice it too.
Don't underestimate the impact banning all of the volume envelope writers has on the player population...ban happened mid-May.
06-19-2021 , 05:57 PM
Played 2-5 at Foxwoods last night and can confirm NLHE is far from solved, at least by those populating that game .
06-19-2021 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by glogga
Solvers only work for heads up play and they require assumptions about how villain is playing that will always be imperfect. No human can perfectly replicate a solver either. Chess is solved even better than nlh yet people still play chess.
I don't think chess has a rake.
06-19-2021 , 06:54 PM
Like I said earlier, feel free to disagree. Keep an open mind and consider learning PLO. I have watched two games die in my short time on this planet, 7 card stud and limit holdem, NLH is next.
06-19-2021 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by steamboatin
Like I said earlier, feel free to disagree. Keep an open mind and consider learning PLO. I have watched two games die in my short time on this planet, 7 card stud and limit holdem, NLH is next.
its been dying for 15 years, it will die yes, just not anytime soon.
06-19-2021 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
its been dying for 15 years, it will die yes, just not anytime soon.
LOL, 15 years ago AKA 2006, at least here locally, Limit Holdem was King and NL was just taking hold. I hit a bad beat jackpot in 2008 and there were still more limit holdem games going on Saturday night than NL. NL tourneys were huge but limit was the cash game King. NL was on the rise in 2008.
06-19-2021 , 07:34 PM
I play the 8 pm 500 bonanza most nights. It's down about 100 runners the last month, averages about 550 now.
06-19-2021 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by steamboatin
I don't think chess has a rake.
That has nothing to do with it. Chess is played competitively and solvers haven't ruined it.
06-20-2021 , 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by glogga
That has nothing to do with it. Chess is played competitively and solvers haven't ruined it.
If chess had a third party that wins a piece of every match, so that in the event of a draw, both players lose and slim victories were turned into losses, chess would be dead as a hammer.

If chess had a rake, you would have to crush each opponent in order to win. Nobody would play against an opponent of equal skill because they would both be guaranteed to lose, the fish would get tired of being crushed and the good players would refuse to sit.

There wouldn't be any good games so the recreational player, stops playing, then the good players get tired of outplaying their opponent but booking a loos because they can't stay ahead of the rake. This is what is happening to NLH.

Just remember what Uncle Steamboat said and learn PLO.
06-20-2021 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by steamboatin
If chess had a third party that wins a piece of every match, so that in the event of a draw, both players lose and slim victories were turned into losses, chess would be dead as a hammer.

If chess had a rake, you would have to crush each opponent in order to win. Nobody would play against an opponent of equal skill because they would both be guaranteed to lose, the fish would get tired of being crushed and the good players would refuse to sit.

There wouldn't be any good games so the recreational player, stops playing, then the good players get tired of outplaying their opponent but booking a loos because they can't stay ahead of the rake. This is what is happening to NLH.

Just remember what Uncle Steamboat said and learn PLO.
Learning plo is fine it's not going to replace nlh or anything. It's had plenty of time to boom and take over it's just not going to happen. Still hasn't changed the answer to this thread is normal summer downtime
06-20-2021 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by steamboatin
If chess had a third party that wins a piece of every match, so that in the event of a draw, both players lose and slim victories were turned into losses, chess would be dead as a hammer.

If chess had a rake, you would have to crush each opponent in order to win. Nobody would play against an opponent of equal skill because they would both be guaranteed to lose, the fish would get tired of being crushed and the good players would refuse to sit.

There wouldn't be any good games so the recreational player, stops playing, then the good players get tired of outplaying their opponent but booking a loos because they can't stay ahead of the rake. This is what is happening to NLH.

Just remember what Uncle Steamboat said and learn PLO.
That has nothing to do with solvers. Solvers haven't ruined poker or chess.
06-21-2021 , 01:00 AM
I'm glad this thread was used to discuss if NLH was dead instead of the question I asked.
06-21-2021 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JesseRWTanaka
I'm glad this thread was used to discuss if NLH was dead instead of the question I asked.
Next time, ask a better question.
06-21-2021 , 05:24 PM
no limit hold em DEAD...............

OMAHA NOW..............

more flushes str8s n full house......... no 1 CARE about stupid pair or 2 pair wateva i want at least 1 STRATE if i go 2 show down my card with a diffrnt plyr CUZ wen u get the hier hands its more fun....... PROBLEM IS wen u get BIG HAND in Hold Em a lot of the time the ppl ur playin wit aint got crap........... 4 EXAMPLE if U got 2 jacks n 2 jacks come on the flop aint no one got crap except if they got a pare of the other 3rd card n if they got a pare they mite not call ur BIG BET especiaally if its a lower card like a 5 6 7 or wateva................. wen u got 4 of a kind in HOLD EM u aint eva gona make cash cept wen u got 4 in OMAHA u got chance 2 score big cuz sum1 els might hav a good full house or str8 or flush but that aint happen in HOLD EM..............................

players want 2 c BIG HAND like strate n flush n FULL HOUSE not ur boring CRAP omg u got a pare wowow so fun hahahahahahahah JUST KIDDING no 1 care n the fishys r gettin tired of just havin a pare or 2 and not havin any cool bigger hand.
06-21-2021 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by glogga
Solvers only work for heads up play and they require assumptions about how villain is playing that will always be imperfect. No human can perfectly replicate a solver either. Chess is solved even better than nlh yet people still play chess.
Chess is not solved and it won't be for the foreseeable future.

      
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