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03-08-2023 , 03:16 PM
I had one of those days yesterday, didn't save any hands to post though.
Ran into quads twice, lost with AA to KK at crucial spot in a tournament, AK lost to Ax many times, bubbled a tournament with JJ vs 77 where this donkey could not miss and hit a 7.(it seems like there is always one really bad player who cant miss in every game I play, including live)

There were many more, these are just a few highlights. I have been stuck at this level for almost a year now..dats like yesterday certainly feel like its rigged to keep me from moving up.

I feel you pain Sirbustsalot
03-08-2023 , 03:58 PM
I will say the amount of run outs that result in a split pot when I am way ahead are ridiculous.
https://play.globalpoker.com/hand/64...654f0001597506
03-08-2023 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jr0d
I had one of those days yesterday, didn't save any hands to post though.
Ran into quads twice, lost with AA to KK at crucial spot in a tournament, AK lost to Ax many times, bubbled a tournament with JJ vs 77 where this donkey could not miss and hit a 7.(it seems like there is always one really bad player who cant miss in every game I play, including live)

There were many more, these are just a few highlights. I have been stuck at this level for almost a year now..dats like yesterday certainly feel like its rigged to keep me from moving up.

I feel you pain Sirbustsalot
Yea man sorry nothing we can do about it but just play through it I suppose.
03-09-2023 , 12:34 AM
Just noticed something that really bothers me now me and 2 of my good friends who grind on global are experiencing very similiar things since 2/26 look at these graphs then look at there graphs before it.

https://www.sharkscope.com/#Player-S...600~2151723599

https://www.sharkscope.com/#Player-S...600~2151723599

https://www.sharkscope.com/#Player-S...600~2151723599
03-09-2023 , 01:09 AM
Took a break today wasnt feeling well played 3 sngs every single one sucked out on. Forgot to grab the first hand but heres the other 2. Global is 100% suspect take it for what yall want call me crazy and shoot down me as a tin foil hat wearer but global is not legit im done posting after these play at yalls own risk heres the 2 hands from today sorry 3rd one as i said forgot to post it was 89 on 892 board guy shoves with gut shot and beat me. Heres the other 2 hands anyways.

https://play.globalpoker.com/hand/64...654f00015978bb

https://play.globalpoker.com/hand/64...654f00015978c7
03-09-2023 , 01:10 AM
confirmation bias
03-09-2023 , 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by HokieGreg
confirmation bias
Could be but all I can say is this has happened 5 straight times after a cashout to me and have heard from others that its happened to them too all who are regular winners in these low/mid stakes games. How many times would it have to happen in a row before it would be more then a coincidence? 20 times 200 times 2000 times?
03-09-2023 , 04:15 AM
20000
03-09-2023 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Sirbustalotz
Could be but all I can say is this has happened 5 straight times after a cashout to me and have heard from others that its happened to them too all who are regular winners in these low/mid stakes games. How many times would it have to happen in a row before it would be more then a coincidence? 20 times 200 times 2000 times?
You would need a sample of millions of hands tracking all the players on the site across a prolonged period of time including multiple cashouts by the winning players. It will literally blow your mind how meaningless your anecdotal observations are statistically
03-09-2023 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dilly_
It will literally blow your mind how meaningless your anecdotal observations are statistically
+1
03-09-2023 , 01:10 PM
Yea and we cant DL hand histories all we can go are these "anecdotal observations"
03-09-2023 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Sirbustalotz
Could be but all I can say is this has happened 5 straight times after a cashout to me and have heard from others that its happened to them too all who are regular winners in these low/mid stakes games. How many times would it have to happen in a row before it would be more then a coincidence? 20 times 200 times 2000 times?
The problem is, you are getting biased information because you are only ever hearing from people who run below what they think their expectation is after cashing out. For example, how many times has someone told you "I ran at expectation for a week after I cashed out!"? Never because people don't talk that way, they only talk about the bad things that happen to them. So you don't actually know how often it's happening/how many times in a row. If you're looking for anecdotal evidence, I'm sure a ton of people could provide that for you, but your parameters are unclear. How much derivation from an established ROI do you consider running bad/not running bad? How established of an ROI? What time period/number of games from cashing out are you tracking?

Looking at your graph, it says a few things. The first is that you're down 1.2k from your peak, which @ an abi of 26 is under a 50 game downswing. I think everyone here will tell you that if you promised them their biggest downswing would be under 50bi, they'd piss themselves with joy.

Another thing is that in the past 30 days (which I'm guessing is the time period that's frustrating you), you've played 1300 games and have actually made $100. In Jan you played 400 games. In December you played 385. In fact, going back through the past year, it looks like aside from November (1153 games), you've never gotten within 550 games in a full month as you've played in the last 4 weeks.

So is it possible that you started feeling yourself, started studying less, started playing more, maybe started putting more responsibility into poker (quitting your job or something else where you started looking at poker money as a necessity instead of passive income), opened more tables than you're used to, played for longer sessions than you're used to and then on top of that got hit with some fairly normal looking variance?
03-09-2023 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by EvolvedSavage
The problem is, you are getting biased information because you are only ever hearing from people who run below what they think their expectation is after cashing out. For example, how many times has someone told you "I ran at expectation for a week after I cashed out!"? Never because people don't talk that way, they only talk about the bad things that happen to them. So you don't actually know how often it's happening/how many times in a row. If you're looking for anecdotal evidence, I'm sure a ton of people could provide that for you, but your parameters are unclear. How much derivation from an established ROI do you consider running bad/not running bad? How established of an ROI? What time period/number of games from cashing out are you tracking?

Looking at your graph, it says a few things. The first is that you're down 1.2k from your peak, which @ an abi of 26 is under a 50 game downswing. I think everyone here will tell you that if you promised them their biggest downswing would be under 50bi, they'd piss themselves with joy.

Another thing is that in the past 30 days (which I'm guessing is the time period that's frustrating you), you've played 1300 games and have actually made $100. In Jan you played 400 games. In December you played 385. In fact, going back through the past year, it looks like aside from November (1153 games), you've never gotten within 550 games in a full month as you've played in the last 4 weeks.

So is it possible that you started feeling yourself, started studying less, started playing more, maybe started putting more responsibility into poker (quitting your job or something else where you started looking at poker money as a necessity instead of passive income), opened more tables than you're used to, played for longer sessions than you're used to and then on top of that got hit with some fairly normal looking variance?
Nice response love this post thanks for actually going into detail about everything instead of just saying your wrong im right kinda thing. As far as I know i havent played a ton more I try to get in around 50 games a day just on global and around 100 on other sites. I could play more but i play live and honestly it hurts my hourly playing on global instead of playing live. However with my dads health situation ive had to move in with him as he is in kidney failure. One question you think a 50 buyin downswing is normal for superturbo HU sng format? (they claim its turbo but its really super turbo with the structure and blinds.
03-09-2023 , 09:46 PM
I might be doing something wrong but with a 10% ROI on the primedope variance calculator it says with a 1000$ bankroll the risk of ruin is less then a half percent.
03-09-2023 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Sirbustalotz
Nice response love this post thanks for actually going into detail about everything instead of just saying your wrong im right kinda thing.
You have gotten plenty of decent advice throughout this thread prior to the above high quality post.
03-10-2023 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Sirbustalotz
One question you think a 50 buyin downswing is normal for superturbo HU sng format? (they claim its turbo but its really super turbo with the structure and blinds.
HU isn't a game I've studied but my guess is that 50-100 bi downswings are going to be std in any sort of hyper game, sure. I did some random googling because it interested me, and found some people saying similar things, but a lot of the info came from posts that were pretty old so I can't say for sure. I'd guess private HU forums are going to be a place where you can get way better info on that sort of thing.

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Originally Posted by Sirbustalotz
I might be doing something wrong but with a 10% ROI on the primedope variance calculator it says with a 1000$ bankroll the risk of ruin is less then a half percent.
I checked that out, and you're right, but .5% is still greater than zero, and you are working under an assumption that your ROI is 10%+. My guess is that if you are playing more tables, for longer periods of time, studying less, getting frustrated more, and have more external life pressures on you, maybe [your game now] is different from [your game from the past 6 months] and the game you're currently bringing to the table is a sub-10% ROI game. I don't know you, and I don't really know the game, but that scenario is in my opinion a lot more realistic than that a site is rigging games against you solely for the reason that you cashed out.

If it were me, and it's been me in the past where I've gone through periods where I go "oh cool guess I'll never win again", I would chill out this weekend, not touch poker, grind like 10+ hours of study, grind another 5+ hours of review (not really possible on Global but you said you play on other sites) and hit it again on Monday with a lower table count and a different schedule. See if maybe changing the things that you can control will help with some of the things that you can't.
03-10-2023 , 11:55 AM
On a not helpful note, you did also run like the absolute sun in February. It's correction.

But I feel your pain. Often.
03-10-2023 , 12:46 PM
50 buyins downswing should definitely be super unlikely with a high winrate. Seriously doubt you are a 10% ROI winniner on Global.
03-10-2023 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Sirbustalotz
One question you think a 50 buyin downswing is normal for superturbo HU sng format? (they claim its turbo but its really super turbo with the structure and blinds.
At 7% rake you need to have 53.5% ITM to simply break even. I can see you have a 58% winrate in HUSNG but I don't know how many are at what stakes so I'll pretend that they are all $15+1.05 games. This means your EV from each game is about $1.35 for an average ROI of 8.41%

This is your average winrate so it could be possible that you hit extreme stretches where your winrate is ~40% and extreme stretches where it's ~70%+. If you did happen to hit a big downswing it would take less than 200 games at 40% winrate for you to lose 50BI. Given the fast structure this seems well within the realm of possibility. I did notice you hit a pretty good winstreak last night so I hope that continues for you!
03-10-2023 , 02:03 PM
Does anyone hating on Sirbustsalot have a Sharkscope graph similar ot better than his?

Its one thing when a bad player complains about it being rigged, however when a consistent winner with a consistent graph has some room for concern I pay attention.
03-10-2023 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Sirbustalotz
Just noticed something that really bothers me now me and 2 of my good friends who grind on global are experiencing very similiar things since 2/26 look at these graphs then look at there graphs before it.

https://www.sharkscope.com/#Player-S...600~2151723599

https://www.sharkscope.com/#Player-S...600~2151723599

https://www.sharkscope.com/#Player-S...600~2151723599
I searched about 10 known winning 8 players, 8 are down in that time frame.
03-10-2023 , 02:36 PM
I've always thought the RNG, while maybe not "rigged", certainly likes action on the turn and/or river ... back door flushes/straights, set over set, and just suckouts in general...

03-10-2023 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Jr0d
Does anyone hating on Sirbustsalot have a Sharkscope graph similar ot better than his?

Its one thing when a bad player complains about it being rigged, however when a consistent winner with a consistent graph has some room for concern I pay attention.
hello
03-10-2023 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Jr0d
Does anyone hating on Sirbustsalot have a Sharkscope graph similar ot better than his?

Its one thing when a bad player complains about it being rigged, however when a consistent winner with a consistent graph has some room for concern I pay attention.
I agree, which is why I initially paid attention to this thread. However, it's complete amateur up in here so yea it's a bit hard to take seriously. Global could definitely be a shady operator, but this thread is doing nothing to prove that as fact. This is effectively a bad beat thread.

lol at the Sharkscope graph question

      
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