I guess this is a reply to me, but I have no idea how it relates to anything I said. I'll just reply that your understanding of me and the reasons I post is shallow at best, and leave it at that. If you wish to continue to flog the dead horse of how terrible you think this promotion is, I already know from experience how futile it is to attempt to convince you by reason to do otherwise. But in case it will help, I'll add that the reason I'm back here is that we received a post report mere hours after your post; apparently I'm not the only one who thinks it's time for you to move on.

Well, I don't think I broke any rules did I?

7:30pm EST on a Thursday. Site is pretty close to dead. Less traffic than a few PPP clubs I'm in.

Turns out that offering zero promos or incentives to play is not good for a site. Who knew?

Cash games are predatory and most casual players don't play them, they prefer SNG/MTTs instead. Global Poker has had 14,238 different accounts enter SNG/MTTs in the month of June so far. Seems to me the promotions are working perfectly for the part of the site they are meant to promote.

MTTs/SnGs are predatory and most casual players don't play them. They play cash games instead. Global Poker has had some number I pulled out of my ass play cash in June so far. Seems to me your point makes no sense and doesn't prove anything unless you compare it to earlier in the year or a year ago or doesn't include freerolls.

First off some recs prefer cash to mtts. Secondly, pokersites make way more rake from cash. One table of cash is way more profitable for a site to run then multiple mtt tables its not even close.

some recs do like cash of course but they seem to like mtt/sngs more as evidenced by the constant complaints of no cash games running but mtt/sngs have seen over 14,000 unique entrants so far this month.

I'd like to see some evidence for your 2nd point.

I don't know why I bother trying to discuss something with someone who discusses like a middle schooler.

My number is from sharkscope and not pulled from thin air. I've played the mtts nightly since January and the entrants and guarantees have gone up since then. Why would they raise the guarantees if the site wasn't growing enough to support it? I'm not the only one whos commented lately about all the new players popping up in mtts over the last few months either. Seems the promotions are working just fine on the tournament side of the site. I've never once seen Global run a promotion that involved the cash side, if it is included in the promotions they let you use gold coins to clear it so clearly they don't care about pushing traffic to the cash tables like they do the mtt tables.

cashs games are predatory, mtts are not. Not sure how you can make that statement and expect to be taken seriously.

not sure why you are even here if you hate the site so much and believe it to be dying.

The rake in tournaments is capped at 10% per player. 100.00 buyin thats 10.00 in rake and done. That could be from anywhere to 10min-6hours of play per player. Playing cash at the equivalent stake a player is paying around 10bb per 100 hands. Cash players pay an absurd amount of rake its crazy.

cash game regs generate a good bit of rake but so do mtt regs. I have paid $4,684 so far this year in entry fees at a $20.36 average stake. Not sure a $20NL cash game reg would have paid that much rake in 6 months (I don't play cash ever so maybe they do?)

We aren't discussing regs rake generating ability though we are talking about recs and a rec player who has $200 sweeps cash is going to last much longer playing mtt/sngs than cash games. He could lose that $200 pretty fast even at $20NL and end up not generating very much rake for the site whereas if he was playing sngs/mtts he could make that bankroll last much longer through random binks and min cashes and end up paying quite a lot in entry fees.

A rec player playing 20NL on a 10 buy in bankroll is likely to go broke relatively quickly. They are also likely to go broke relatively quickly playing $20 abi sng/mtt's, not last much longer. If they utilized reasonable bankroll management, they would last a lot longer in either forum.

I understand we are talking about rec players and as such LOLBRM, but I'm just saying I don't think it's particularly clear which path generates more rake and/or gets the rec player more bang for their buck. I would think their risk of ruin is greater/faster in MTTs than in cash tbh, but MTTs also carry the upside of a possible big score bink (which can happen in cash obv if they go on a heater but not to the same extent in terms of size of score).

While his point does make sense to me (including the point about why are you here if you hate the site so much), I do think it would be interesting to compare the traffic number to commensurate periods earlier this year and last year. I would assume these are numbers that the proverbial bean counters at Global HQ look at to determine growth rates and what's working/not working.

I play primarily cash over mtt's, and can attest that while I don't think the site is "dying" by any stretch of the imagination, cash game volume level's have definitely dropped off some. The big drop off however I believe came at the removal of paypal and switch to world pay, which is impactful on recs from an easy to use, familiar service to an unknown/untrusted (in their eyes) service.

Unique players:

April - 14,286
May - 14,839
June - 14,356

That's the extent of what I've kept track of, however, I searched the sng thread and found the numbers from October 2018 (as of the 24th of that month) --- 18,955.

Please don't compare djz to a middle schooler. Doing that is a grave insult to middle schoolers and could be classified as child abuse in your town.

So sngs have definitely seen a dropoff since last year but are holding steady at least for the last 3 months. I didn't play last year and I rarely play sngs anymore so I can only attest to the mtt side of things.

Looks like mtts are still growing at least based on the most popular recreational player tournament the nightly $5 rebuy.

http://prntscr.com/o81ek8 - September 2018
http://prntscr.com/o81eqj - June 2019

I wonder what caused the sngs to drop off so much? Other than you busting about 3,000 of those players rolls!

I don't really know any rec players but I feel like if they had $200 sweeps they wouldn't want to sit at $10NL or $20NL and grind they would sit at $50NL or $100NL and try to run it up but if they were to play mtts they would be fine playing a $5 where the payout is still a few hundred or in the case of the nightly $5 rebuy $1500.

You can't just make a statement of fact with zero evidence and hold it up as true. "cash games are predatory" OK why is this is true? I don't think it is. "Social players want tickets to the all star game" does your psychiatrist even allow you to go to baseball games? How long have you been out of the mental institution? How do you know this? I would wager a pretty large amount of money there are more unique cash game players on GP and pretty much every other poker site (or casino) than MTT players. Just because you are a fish and prefer MTTs doesn't make it true for every other rec.

I know if you're mentally ill statements with no logical basis your brain just accepts as true (e.g. "Chemtrails in the sky are poisoning me and the government is evil", "I suck and everyone hates me so I can't go outside", "Social gamers, whatever the **** that is, want tickets to the All Star Game") but just because you think that way doesn't make something true. I'm sure your doctor has explained that to you.

Also I know plenty of recs that just play whatever the highest buyin MTT their balance allows is. They will even degen at cash games to try and get $215 or whatever. This is true for pros as well and a pretty common story is sitting HU to run it up for a Sunday tourney...if you don't really have time to play that many tourneys a year is better to just play a high buyin one...if someone has $200 in their balance they will just play whatever they want it comes down to how much time they have. Again you said yourself that you "don't really know any recs" so how are you even qualified to make any statements? You didn't even play on GP a year ago wtf.

The point about how rake is for cash games is an argument that the site should do more to promote them over MTTs/SnGs as the site's goal is to make money which they do via rake.

Solid counter full of facts and absolutely no personal attacks whatsoever. /s
At this point I can only assume you are just responding to troll.

Its pretty common knowledge that cash games are predatory. When Pokerstars introduced all the zoom stuff they came right out and said it was to reduce predatory behavior in cash games. Bumhunting recreational players is predatory. Waiting for a rec to sit and immediately trying to sit on his left is predatory. Sitting out once the rec player leaves is predatory. You can call it game selection or whatever you want but its still predatory behavior. Cash games are naturally predatory in this way and its not really something that can be argued about. You can't do any of those things in MTTs so MTTs are not predatory.

I like how you claim I'm posting with no facts but then you claim that you are positive there are more than 14,000 unique cash game players on Global right now with no evidence even though that statement completely contradicts your argument that the site is dying. A site has over 14,000 unique sng players for the month of June and even more unique cash game players but that site is dying??? A dying site increasing the guarantees on the mtts and doing bigger and better promotions? Sponsoring Nascar and having Global Poker sponsored poker nights at MLB stadiums while the site is dying?

Global bills itself as a social gaming site, its right on their website. Doesn't take much of a leap to think that most casual players who know they aren't that good and just play for fun would much rather have prizes for fun things like cruises and all star game packages than an entry into a live mtt.

See how easy it is to have a discussion without filling 90% of your post with baseless personal attacks and hyperbole?

You are of course correct that things like bum hunting and seat selection are predatory elements of cash games. But let's not pretend you and the other MTT and SNG crushers on the site aren't preying on the recs who are having their MTT entertainment fix just because you can't seat select. I find you to be a very intelligent guy, I'm shocked you would even make such a statement. The truth is, poker is predatory by nature. There are sharks and fish, predators and prey. Cash, MTT, SNG, spins, it doesn't really matter. Why do MTT grinders want to play the WSOP main event? Because it's the "granddaddy" of poker tournaments, sure, but most of them will straight up say because it's the softest 10K buy in field on the planet, they want to exercise that edge. That's predatory.

To be clear, I'm not taking djz's side in any of this, just enjoy having intelligent converse with intelligent people like yourself, especially when we disagree on something... maybe an opportunity for me to learn and expand my own horizons.

I'm guessing it's spins. They can't be tracked and take directly from the SNG player pool on every site they are introduced on. So I'm guessing the player pool is still as big as it was, or bigger, but nobody can track a decent % of that pool.

You're right, what I should say is MTTs are much less predatory than cash games. Of course if I get a rec on my table I will do my best to expoit their gameplay but I have no control over getting onto their table or getting a good seat. If I get a table full of regs I can't pack it up and leave I'm forced to battle it out.

Imagine being a rec player and having the same reg constantly follow you around and getting a seat to your left and just 3betting you to death. I'm sure the recs get annoyed when I move to there left on the mtt table but at least its just a random luck thing to them and not someone purposely hunting them.

Good call it probably is just in spins now.

I understand what bum hunting is. I don't think you realize that the extreme scenario you're laying out isn't how cash games on global actually work. The recs are playing 1 or 2 tables, not moving around. The sharks take the open seat on the table, they don't usually have a choice where that is unless the table is just starting or short handed. Most of the regs/sharks are multi-tabling, not hopping around trying to bum hunt a specific rec at small and medium stakes.

I think this was happening at $10-$20, which is why Global shut it down (just a guess). It happened there because the player pool at that stake level was small, and reg filled, with very few recs dipping their toe in the water. So when a rec did sit, the regs were quick to join the game, and all but the very top of the food chain would simply sit out when the rec left because without that rec on the table, they became the fish.

What you're talking about is what happens on stars where every reg has a seating script that puts them next to specific fish and seating scripts arent banned. This isnt what global cash games are like. Sure some people table select and wont sit a tougher table but in general those are bad nit regs most guys just fire up X tables and play the session.

Sounds like u dont play or like cash games but tons of people do including rec players.

^^^This

One big issue is the nit regs who won't sit with another reg to get tables going. Fish don't want to play heads up, but they'll play 2-3 way. I understand shorthanded rake is brutal, but just tank every decision until a fun player shows up.