Another month has gone by since I last really paid attention to this thread. No logic has been brought forward by anyone claiming GP is rigged, and that's not going to change any time soon.

I'm still grinding ignition and GP, I still see the same regs (and talk to many of them regularly off site) and there is still absolutely nothing I've seen statistically nor in my play that suggests GP is anything but normal as far as RNG goes.

I'd love to see some of the rig-theory posters (trying to avoid the term "riggie") play a large volume of cash Nl/PLO and release their results publicly and daily. Perhaps we can follow along daily in your journey. Not a single reg that I play with (NOR I personally) that puts in large volume has any complaints or suspicions about the RNG.

In post-BF environment, onus is on the sites to prove they are legitimate it is not the duty of the players to blindly trust them. Clearly you do care. You also accused me of lying about being one and then when I offer evidence you respond with saying you dont care...then later in your post you continue to mock me for being a lawyer; some kind of running theme in your posts. Do you have some obsession with this or is it professional jealousy?

Speaking of Simpsons characters, why do you type like how Sideshow Bob talks?

All of this goes to my claim that you dont actually care about any evidence you have a belief and are just going to spout out like some inane youtube comentator talking about every video on the topic.


Ill do this at a play money table (to avoid counterparty risk) for $50, sure. I can record it in OBS and share the video so you can get your data. I refuse to do this as a prop bet as I have zero faith you would pay me regardless of results but if you or someone else wants to sit with me at a play money table as I do this (btw itd take a couple hours since HU allin every hand is ~300 hands/hour).

Risking tons of money is hard.
Unemployed autistic micro grinder

Annual audits, public filings with two different country's securities regulatory bodies, and third party certification of RNG. What else do they need to produce and why do the people that claim its rigged have to produce nothing other than words?

Before you go back to the circle of friends claim with millions of hands or not playing on the site....I played a pretty decent amount on the site up til this past August or so. No illusionary cap on BBs won, no sudden turn of run bad after withdrawal, no changes, period. If you went to college straight out of high school and then law school, that would suggest I've been playing online poker since you were in jr. high. The micro and low stakes are no different than PartyPoker was in 2005. There were plenty of people that claimed PP was rigged then and still do, along with every single glee other network. Yet, many years later they are still operating just fine.

Global markets to Zynga players, why would anyone expect the real small games to be anything close to a normal table? The level of skill is terrible and comparable to freerolls.

Monte's Puppy

How can a site "prove" anything to you, particularly if you will not be specific about your riggie theory? Sites that provide HHs and have every certification one can imagine still have riggies who think they are rigged, and assume the certification companies and countries are in on it or that the rig is hidden within the variance, whatever that is supposed to mean.

If your only issue with this site is downloadable HHs (which again would do nothing to satisfy the vast majority of riggies) then do as I have suggested in this thread several times - create a new thread (with a proper title, unlike the mess of an attempt done a while ago) to discuss downloadable hhs as a specific concern and try to get those that play there to agree and sign a form of an online petition on it. It is a potentially valid issue, but nothing is taken seriously when posted in a riggie thread, so it should be separate from that.

The last thread to do that got pretty much no traction, so either that was a bad job or the market is saying that that is not a major issue for this particular site.



Hardly. I just thought it was funny that you busted it out like it was some sort of secret weapon that solves everything. You could have said you were a dumpster diver in the exact same manner and it would have had the same impact - none.

You are still a person who refuses to provide a specific riggie theory, other than you have buddies who say it feels wrong. Other regs have posted that they and all their buddies think it feels right. No idea if they are a lawyer, dumpster diver or whatever, but why is your claim any better than theirs given the similar amount of supporting evidence.

While you think I made fun of your profession, it was more that I made fun of how you presented your profession. Kind of like

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...06/30v0t1i.jpg

I used to use small words when talking to riggies, but I had less fun when doing that, and in the end threads like this are for entertainment, particularly mine, so I go with the slightly over the top arrogant approach as that seems to get much better reactions as one can see. Think of these threads as a variant of pro wrestling, except that some of the participants think it is real and matters, even though nothing anyone says in these riggie threads matters at all in the industry, including anything you and I say to each other. I cannot be any more obvious with the nose tweaking than that, yet it will still be taken seriously and work. That is the fun part of these type of threads!

Evidence of what? You have yet to say what your specific riggie theory is. So far you seem intent on proving you have poker buddies and you studied the law, but you have yet to say what your specific rig theory and/or concern is so that can be discussed.


Seriously, you seem to have a hard time with the internet at times. Perhaps those light saber heroes can help you later, but the test as a I mentioned was not for you, rather it was for the people who had the silly "every all-in is a coin flip" riggie belief. I assumed you were not actually one of those guys, but if you were then nice to have a supporter the worst riggie theory ever back!

Assuming you were not a believer, those that did believe in that coin flip thing had a very specific belief. That specific belief allowed me to propose a very specific test they could do to prove their belief. They chose not to do the test, which was fully expected.

As to the prop bet angles, the money on both sides would have to be properly escrowed, so your concern about being paid would be remedied, and I would assume as a lawyer that you were familiar with the concept. Regardless, to date not a single riggie has followed up on prop bets to prove their specific theories.

None of the prop bets I suggest would have any risk on our end, because the riggie theories they are testing are never valid, and that is why no riggies have ever followed through, even at times when they proposed having a prop bet on their beliefs.

You still have not said what your specific riggie belief is.

Most riggies prefer using a different title to their profession, and you can ask that Agnostic guy cheering you on what he calls himself to get a better idea of that part of the riggie culture and nomiclature. I just call them riggies.

All the best.

I would be satisfied with downloadable hand histories as I am more concerned with botting than faulty RNG. But this is the RNG thread so Im discussing things here.

This hand did not happen on GP but I think this is the GTO way to rig RNG. Im not suggesting this hand was rigged or that site is; it is called an example. Two action hands that end up in a chop rake slowly eats the players up. As my friend who runs a poker game once said <Having no money left on the table at the end of the night is like a royal flush for the operator>.


Jesus how many mg of autism do you take a day to be able to write such long stream of consciousness word spew. At this point I have literally no idea wtf you are talking about. Youve admitted yourself youre just trolling and trying to get a raise out of people (from a community you arent even a part of (poker players) but are obsessed with participating in for some perverse reason). Like congrats it worked you got me to engage with you but you just expose yourself as being ****ing pathetic severe autism sufferer.

so its rigged bc two ppl had aces? whats the point of any of that? to be fair, whats the point of any of these posts in this thread or this one even

The WSOP one drop was rigged too!

Gave both players hands where they had no other choice except to go all in. Then they rigged the runout so that the professional poker player would lose, and the amateur would win!

That way the amateur will win more money, and want to play poker longer. Thus WSOP will continue to be able to rake more buyins from the amateur, instead of them running away from the game forever!

https://youtu.be/SWq_mKWPWu8

/sarcasm

Monte asked me what a rig would look like. A site with faulty RNG would have a really high number of chops way more than it is mathematically expected.

Good question.

So, you are discussing your concern about botting in an RnG thread? Why not actually create a thread about botting (an actual issue) in conjunction with downloadable HHs (also an actual issue to discuss) in a separate thread away from a riggie thread where literally nothing said matters. Your concern about botting will just get mixed in with people worried about spooky quads everywhere and those that think hands drawing dead have a 50% chance of winning when all-in.

Create a new thread about botting and downloadable hands and leave the riggie silliness here, and see if it gets some traction as its own issue. If it does then that is the first step toward getting some potential change. Most people I suggest this type of advice never follow up on it, so perhaps you will break that mold to get a better idea of where your genuine issue concerns fall in the opinion of the marketplace.


See, your think that a rig that has action hands that people remember is a better way to hide the rig (and yeah, I know it was not posted as proof of a rig rather of a concept of a potential rig), whereas I think a non-action hand approach would be much more effective, since the rig would not happen in hands that stand out and draw attention to themselves.

Your theory would also require a ton of extra split pots with all sorts of KK vs KK AA vs AA type hands, since 22 vs 22 is hard to imagine having the same outcome, and to do that you would need a lot more top level hands dealt to everyone than expected, and that would be very easy to detect and notice.

The link to the non action hand theory was in the riggie list, but here it is again and you can see the theory and the math assumptions behind it at the time (was long ago when more limit poker was played, but the core thinking would still apply)

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=9416


I can use small words again if you need. No doubt you impress in the courtroom when you say "Objection, is this guy autistic!"

I am posting in a way to generate an emotional reaction from you, because it is an amusing diversion to do with the right people. Even when I make that clear it still works with specific people, and that's why adding that element makes it a bit more fun. I mix in some genuine advice (like starting a separate thread on the real topics, even though I expect you will not do that) and some apparently serious discussion (like breaking down the eyerolling action hand belief system), because that helps keep someone like you emotional and energized.


It is only peverse to those who react in an overly emotional state, and it will likely work again, and perhaps your next posts will include racist or homophobic comments to work alongside those you use to mock people by referring to them as mentally disabled in a crude manner. Not much of a step for someone like you, and much more likely than you starting a real thread about issues like botting, so I guess we will see. You will be happy to know that once someone like you truly reaches a crazed boiling point I let it go, since threads like this are just about entertainment, nothign more, and eventually people like you cross the line and become not fun to debate. Try to turn that frown upside down before posting again!

Thanks for sharing that single hand, it was for you relatively significant as far as being specific.

All the best.

I'd like to just say that if anyone wants to sit with me HU at the micro's I'm happy to do the 500flips.

happy to flip whenever just not at the micros.

msg me on discord btw!

I could conceivably do it up to 100nl.

Will do! Did you end up getting the invite? Or should I pm you still.

nah never did.

Right before the 500 flips begin, GP will activate a "fair" RNG. Just minutes after the 500th flip, GP will re-activate the "rigged" RNG.

Of course

Even still, offer still stands to anyone that is so confident GP is rigged.

I'm running significantly above EV this month so perhaps GP is rigged in MY favor. If it keeps up Im going to be able to move up stakes Thanks GP!

I broke into the Global Headquarters and got a glimpse of their payroll info. Global Shills on 2+2 get $50 per post, and free entries in the $500 Bonanza's.

In other news, wolfdogpoker is nor a "reg" at GP or a winning poker player on any poker site. It'd be pretty cool if he was though right?

In other news, another person posts on here with no knowledge of what they're talking about and makes accusations about other people they have no knowledge of.

Try harder

i know this is going to sound crazy, but every single time the river card doesnt auto pop up quick like usual, and takes a extra 5-6 seconds the player with the gut shot / 3 outer / one in a million chance to hit their card hits it. has happened over 20x in the last week. also while playing on mobile, i randomly get unlogged in and every single time, and i mean every single time this has happened ive rushed back in to have the nut flop. no way possible this is merely a coincidence.

In a way this is just Party Poker from 2004 all over again. People will claim from anecdotal evidence that the cards "don't come like that in real poker" or "don't come like that on ignition" whatever. People even made similar claims constantly on Ignition/ACR when I played there last year. Its just what mid-high volume online poker does to people's minds. The fishier a site is (like Global Poker) the more likely people are to see crazy **** cause of the random bad calls people are making.

Great first post!

NO YELLING ON THE BUS!!

well I proabably shouldnt lump multiple people together when making such comments....but I will stand by the general tone of what I said. You know good and well I'm not the type to search through all your posts just to try and make you look bad either.
You are a pretty civil person for the most part, which I do respect a lot, so maybe you legitimately don't realize the way your posts often demean the intelligence and rationale of posters who go down the path of no return as I call it.

it may not be petty insults, personal attacks or harsh words....but making someone look stupid and/or irrational in front of others has the exact same, intended, effect. this is what I've repeatedly tried to tell you over the years. its not a black and white subject and immediately lumping all posters that question the integrity of these sites as "rigtards" and basically giving them a scarlett letter for the rest of their 2+2 career. not cool.

Well let me just say this first. As a specific case, I do believe that their was a conscious effort to limit these discussions on the WPN forum via abuse of forum moderating. Whether that was because it was a paid advertiser's forum or because of other reasons is still up for debate. In general though, I would say one of the major roadblocks for these discussions is exactly the stuff I mentioned above. Attacking, discrediting, and ostracizing those who question the integrity of the sites(as well as the integrity of the discussion being had about said sites). Turning related threads into hate-filled cesspools where real investigation, collaboration, and progress is impossible. Chasing people around the forums for years bullying and branding them riggies in unrelated threads as to discredit their views/words....this stuff is unacceptable and completely stifles any open, communal discussions and investigations.


nothing I said in my post was unfounded and I certainly did not insult you or anyone else. Offended, maybe. Insulted? no.

Correct.

Thanks.

When people make posts that lack in logic or rational though, I'm going to point that out, and I'll be the first to admit that while I'm not attacking people personally, I'm also not always the politest individual when doing so. Sometimes I'm quite polite about it, and other times I can be snarky - it often depends on the post I'm replying to, but not always. Sometimes even the politest response can offend people, and other times the offense isn't surprising. Guilty as charged on that one, although my point wasn't that I'm faultless with my posting - I was disputing something which I think you've since acknowledged wasn't accurate in my case.

I'm not sure quite how to respond to this. When someone posts something stupid or irrational, if pointing out the problems with their posts is going to make them look stupid or irrational in others' eyes, so be it. Although I assume many people will have come to that conclusion themselves already.

It sure isn't, which is why I don't do that, I don't use the word "rigtards", and I have no idea how my posts are giving people "a scarlett letter for the rest of their 2+2 career".

You can believe that if you like, but if you're talking about 2+2 moderators, or me specifically, you'd be absolutely, completely, 100% wrong. I responded to similar accusations you made in the ATF thread about this, and never heard from you again. But I see you have made similar accusations in the NVG thread now as well. For a guy who speaks out against labeling or attacking people, you have surprisingly little issue with bringing my name up in association with things I didn't do, and insinuating that I and/or other 2+2 mods were involved in something underhanded in regards to the WPN forums, with zero evidence. And the reason you have no evidence is because it didn't happen. If you want to discuss it further, perhaps you could start by replying to my response in the ATF thread - the thread where this discussion actually belongs.

Um, what?

Wow. You just can't help yourself, it seems.

A whole lot of what you said in that post, and a whole lot more in this post, was unfounded. And much of what you said in that post and this one is quite insulting - are you actually not aware it's insulting when you falsely accuse someone of "spending HOURS out of each day just to engage in discussions with people they claim are intellectually challenged and irrational", not "allowing open, collaborative discussions of subjects that are not very flattering for said poker sites", "devolving these conversations into hate-filled cesspools void of any meaningful content...all while repeatedly painting the OPs as inexperienced, tinfoil hat wearing riggies that are either high, or off their meds. totally legit.", and "a conscious effort to limit these discussions on the WPN forum via abuse of forum moderating"?

I mean, just look at that last one again - "a conscious effort to limit these discussions on the WPN forum via abuse of forum moderating". How much more of a direct attack on my personal integrity could there be? You're suggesting that I've been abusing moderating powers to limit critical discussions of WPN because it's in my financial interest to do so. You're seriously going to do that while denying being insulting, AND complaining that I'm not being nice to others? Seriously??

FWIW, I was originally thinking more of the "petty innuendo" in that quote than the "personal attacks", as that's one of your specialties - making little hints and suggestions of wrongdoing. But it seems that with this post (and your post over in NVG), you've really stepped it up.

If you want to continue discussing these WPN accusations of yours, take it over to the WPN Advertising thread in ATF where you first brought them up - they don't belong here.