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Old 05-26-2017, 04:11 PM   #151
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Other users of the Cubeia software use the Mersenne Twister RNG algorithm and Fisher-Yates shuffler, at least that is the claim. I would not have the faintest idea of how to go about proving it one way or the other, nor much understanding of either.

I have no clue whether it is an option that can be turned off or on, how it is enabled, etc...

The software is also scale-able to include a reward/point system.
In the December 2016 VGW financial report on page 3 are the details of the payment to Cubeia software for them to customize their software for VGW. they gave them cash installments, stock in VGW, and revenue sharing for an 18 month period. These transactions are not unusual in the business world, but understand Cubeia has a vested interested in VGW holdings.

'Global Poker launched their offering late last year using a Sweepstakes model'

This quote from the Cubeia website does not even acknowledge poker being offered by Global Poker, and Cubeia is in the business of promoting their poker software for sale to other companies. In fact, on the webpage where customers can review their software, they use 'Quarter Poker' and 'Nitrogen Sports' as examples. They do not even mention Global Poker as an example of their poker software.

If Global Poker was an actual poker room, that quote would read something like "Global Poker launched their poker room...." or something of that sort instead of the word 'offering' followed by 'Sweepstakes Model'.

So lets remove the notion that Cubeia software is going to provide certification of their software for a company they are in business with. The software played on Global Poker will have to get certification from a completely independent company with no financial ties to either organization. Lets also remove the assumption the Cubeia software on other sites is the same as Global Poker given the customization involved and the financial arrangement between Cubeia and VGW.
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Old 05-26-2017, 04:34 PM   #152
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A dewd; you continue to divert by trying to parallel other companies to what Global Poker is doing. You are trying to install confidence in Global Poker by using the reputations of other companies to say they are the same. Please stop doing this. Please present your data regarding only Global Poker to back up your claims. I have asked you to provide simple data to show they are promoting real US cash game poker; yet, you have failed to produce anything as it relates to Global Poker. You continue to reference other companies as the basis of your conclusion that this is real poker; however, there is no evidence to support this. In fact, the evidence is the complete opposite in that they are offering a sweepstakes model of poker. While their model is unique from other sweepstakes models, the Sweeps Poker they are offering is actually a sweepstakes contest.

As is relates to the 2016 prospectus, they did reference poker quit a bit in that document and talked about sweepstakes poker in the changing real money poker US market. At no time did I see where they were looking to get into the real poker US market, but rather clearly talked about an opportunity is sweepstakes poker.
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Old 05-26-2017, 04:40 PM   #153
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So are you guys open shoving every hand yet knowing it's +EV? I'm guessing not...
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Old 05-26-2017, 05:19 PM   #154
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I don't understand what the big deal is. They said they are working on their RNG certification. You either believe them or not.
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Old 05-26-2017, 05:45 PM   #155
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I don't understand what the big deal is. They said they are working on their RNG certification. You either believe them or not.
I don't care about the RNG here it's the dishonest marketing and lack of clarity. They are also really lose with their ToS.
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Old 05-26-2017, 05:57 PM   #156
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I don't care about the RNG here it's the dishonest marketing and lack of clarity. They are also really lose with their ToS.
What's dishonest about the marketing?? Everyone does have an equal opportunity to win the hand(before any hole cards are dealt). They are new, and apparently don't have a lot of poker knowledge, but they listen and are getting better, case and point the antes for tourneys which they fixed after we bitched about it. Why don't you all just have a little faith.
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Old 05-26-2017, 06:22 PM   #157
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A dewd; you continue to divert by trying to parallel other companies to what Global Poker is doing. You are trying to install confidence in Global Poker by using the reputations of other companies to say they are the same. Please stop doing this. Please present your data regarding only Global Poker to back up your claims. I have asked you to provide simple data to show they are promoting real US cash game poker; yet, you have failed to produce anything as it relates to Global Poker. You continue to reference other companies as the basis of your conclusion that this is real poker; however, there is no evidence to support this. In fact, the evidence is the complete opposite in that they are offering a sweepstakes model of poker. While their model is unique from other sweepstakes models, the Sweeps Poker they are offering is actually a sweepstakes contest.

As is relates to the 2016 prospectus, they did reference poker quit a bit in that document and talked about sweepstakes poker in the changing real money poker US market. At no time did I see where they were looking to get into the real poker US market, but rather clearly talked about an opportunity is sweepstakes poker.

I have one single concern over this issue, an investment. As far as the poker site goes, I don't care what they call it if I get back more money than I put in. I do have real concern that if their prospectus is not factual, the stock would get crushed when the truth came out and I do not want to participate in that.

You have said that if it is a sweepstakes model then it isn't real poker, WPT uses sweepstakes model, virtual currency, has an RNG, and pays out in cash.
That shows it can be done. I'll believe what is stated in the documentation on file and the risks to those that sign off on it if they are not being truthful.

No, I am not diverting anything, but I am done discussing it with you.
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Old 05-26-2017, 06:29 PM   #158
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I don't care about the RNG here it's the dishonest marketing and lack of clarity. They are also really lose with their ToS.
I would agree with that completely.
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Old 05-26-2017, 06:36 PM   #159
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Look at this hand. I need this analyzed.

https://play.globalpoker.com/poker-c...b08b6cf9ec54ff
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Old 05-26-2017, 07:23 PM   #160
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What's dishonest about the marketing?? Everyone does have an equal opportunity to win the hand(before any hole cards are dealt). They are new, and apparently don't have a lot of poker knowledge, but they listen and are getting better, case and point the antes for tourneys which they fixed after we bitched about it. Why don't you all just have a little faith.

Your not playing poker. It might even be a paid sweepstakes which would make it a lottery. Your not understanding that the issue is that the game is not poker just like the McDonald's Monoply game is not Monopoly. The difference is McDonald's doesn't market it as real Monopoly but Global Poker advertises as real poker.
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Old 05-26-2017, 07:27 PM   #161
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Look at this hand. I need this analyzed.

https://play.globalpoker.com/poker-c...b08b6cf9ec54ff
I bet that's not the only like that in your hand history.
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Old 05-26-2017, 09:02 PM   #162
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Look at this hand. I need this analyzed.

https://play.globalpoker.com/poker-c...b08b6cf9ec54ff
Okay. You min-raised with trash. The button 3B you with a decent hand for short handed play, and you called the 3B out of position on a half stack with trash. On the flop you check-jammed with no pair and a non-nut flush draw. The opponent then makes a bad call off of 70 to win a pot of 218 which he needs 32% equity to make... most of his range will have this easily but this particular hand missed so bad it only has 21%, he should have found a fold.

Perhaps you think his winning this hand represents some kind of rigging, but even with this big a miss he will still win the hand more than 1 time in 5 from the flop on.

Lots of questionable play in this hand, but most of it is from you imo.
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Old 05-26-2017, 09:09 PM   #163
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Okay. You min-raised with trash. The button 3B you with a decent hand for short handed play, and you called the 3B out of position on a half stack with trash. On the flop you check-jammed with no pair and a non-nut flush draw. The opponent then makes a bad call off of 70 to win a pot of 218 which he needs 32% equity to make... most of his range will have this easily but this particular hand missed so bad it only has 21%, he should have found a fold.

Perhaps you think his winning this hand represents some kind of rigging, but even with this big a miss he will still win the hand more than 1 time in 5 from the flop on.

Lots of questionable play in this hand, but most of it is from you imo.

You over thought it a whole lot. It's a sweepstakes, 2 people odds are about 50/50
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Old 05-26-2017, 09:25 PM   #164
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You over thought it a whole lot. It's a sweepstakes, 2 people odds are about 50/50
At which point is the hand 50/50? When they get all in?
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Old 05-26-2017, 09:30 PM   #165
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At which point is the hand 50/50? When they get all in?
It's a sweepstakes drawing with 2 people so right from when they are all in
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Old 05-26-2017, 09:33 PM   #166
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It's a sweepstakes drawing with 2 people so right from when they are all in
I think I get it now... so as soon as they are all in it's 50/50 (or 33/33/33 if three are all in). Do I understand?
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Old 05-26-2017, 10:47 PM   #167
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I think I get it now... so as soon as they are all in it's 50/50 (or 33/33/33 if three are all in). Do I understand?
Yes sweepstakes have to be random
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Old 05-26-2017, 10:53 PM   #168
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Okay, then I don't understand this hand I played:

I bet the turn and got raised all in, I called of course holding KK on a board of K983 and the opponent turned over 98. I went on to win the hand luckily, but I had 50% chance to lose I suppose.
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Yep
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Old 05-26-2017, 11:00 PM   #170
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Okay, then I don't understand this hand I played:

I bet the turn and got raised all in, I called of course holding KK on a board of K983 and the opponent turned over 98. I went on to win the hand luckily, but I had 50% chance to lose I suppose.
Clearly you luckboxed by dodging runner quads on the ocean

The idea that every HU hand is 50/50 once it's all in is laughable. It's very easy to test, and if it were true, it'd be obvious to any experienced player who put in volume on the site that something was amiss. (Turns out people usually DON'T hit their 1-outers or runners!)
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Old 05-27-2017, 02:33 AM   #171
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Okay, then I don't understand this hand I played:

I bet the turn and got raised all in, I called of course holding KK on a board of K983 and the opponent turned over 98. I went on to win the hand luckily, but I had 50% chance to lose I suppose.
Lol exactly. These guys are such ****ing morons it's not even funny
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Old 05-27-2017, 06:09 AM   #172
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In the sweepstakes model Global Poker is running, the winner of the sweepstakes is determined when the actual number of entrants is determined. This would be after all pre flop betting is closed and before the flop. This is the point where the winner is selected at random determined by a RNG to select the winner of the sweepstakes. Assuming no voluntary exit from the contest from any participants, the computer interaction of the flop, turn, and river is just an animation to create excitement for the player experience and has no bearing on the outcome. It is the same as watching a sweepstakes slot machine.

The variant in this game offered by Global Poker is that you can potentially get a participant to voluntary exit the contest by getting them to fold. This is where the sweepstakes resembles traditional poker.


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So a hand where he is 100% to win he really was only 50%? Explain this
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Old 05-27-2017, 08:05 AM   #174
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So a hand where he is 100% to win he really was only 50%? Explain this
We don't know that there was not a flush draw
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Old 05-27-2017, 09:44 AM   #175
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The actual number of entrants was determined by the number of players dealt cards. This is no different than sitting in a casino and having the cards shuffled and dealt. As it has been stated before, the above two scenarios are the same since in both cases the winner is already predetermined - at random - when the cards get dealt. The absolute winning hand of this deal (or sweepstakes) will not change if all players do not fold. The only thing that will change the outcome and winning hand is players folding their cards. Sit with a deck of cards sometime and deal 9 players all face up, fold no hands and deal to the river. See how often all these "rigged" type of occurrences happen dealt from your hand.

Enough nonsense from you guys and give some facts. If your statements are true these facts should be easily attainable.
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