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02-18-2018 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by matt hirschhorn
hello everyone, I deposited $10 on Global poker about a week ago, played for about a week in the cash games and was up to $130, games were UBER SOFT, even when I was up on this site i was still questioning the RNG, but the player pool was so low i kind of just ignored and I thought maybe its just a coincidence, anyways for the past 2 nights i just went through a ton of bad beats, probably around 20 to 40 bad beats, not exaggerating either, i dropped down to about 40 bucks at this time, I have never questioned the RNG on other poker sites, except this site, I have played millions of hands of poker and I have never seen the **** I have seen on here ever, and its not that bad beats happen, its the frequency that they happen on this site that drives me insane, I have 0 EVIDENCE THAT THIS RNG IS NOT RIGGED OR NON-LEGITIMATE, this is just my personal observation from playing on this site, anyways, I just want people to be aware if your questioning on this site, you may not be wrong too do so.
TLDR summary.

I quadrupled my initial investment, and am now worried the RNG is broken. Hmmmm..... something is off here.
02-18-2018 , 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
You were far too important for the evil powers that be to allow you to cash out a hundo in winnings, thus they spent countless hours planning and programming the RnG to specifically bad beat you in a blatantly obvious, yet sinister and unverifiable manner, probably to show you who was indeed the boss in this Orwellian universe.

You may want to consider going off the grid for a while, as the evil overdoers at Global are merely a low level front for the real evil that lurks behind them. Ever see the movie "Dark City." You are basically the same as the main character in that film, so do whatever you can to recognize the world you live in and fight back. Humanity is counting on you.

All the best.
Summed up my thoughts with most of the posts in this thread perfectly and worked George Orwell into it as well?!

Well played sir, well played.
02-18-2018 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by splayaa
Yep. But their argument is the winner is picked, and then given the correct cards to win, based on the flop that is rigged ahead of time. Then each of the 9 players are ranked by the sweepstakes algorithm so that if the "winning" player folds, it goes to 2nd place and so on and so forth. Its a small difference, but it makes a big difference in how things are actually working at Global.

So sure, the randomness of the deal does "pick a winner" if everyone stays in, but if I know the site could have picked me, I should stay in with any 2 because it might "just be my time" where as if the randomness of the cards picks the winner, I likely should play my hand as if I were playing poker.

Hopefully that clears up my thought process there, although it wouldn't be the first time I didn't explain things very well.
Ahh, sorry i'm coming in late on this - so "they" are the riggies?

Cause the obvious counter argument is that the winner is picked BY THE SHUFFLE - and the subsequent 2nd, 3rd, etc algorithm is also the shuffle.

Which is a brilliant idea, legally, I think...we'll see how it holds up.
02-18-2018 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
You were far too important for the evil powers that be to allow you to cash out a hundo in winnings, thus they spent countless hours planning and programming the RnG to specifically bad beat you in a blatantly obvious, yet sinister and unverifiable manner, probably to show you who was indeed the boss in this Orwellian universe.

You may want to consider going off the grid for a while, as the evil overdoers at Global are merely a low level front for the real evil that lurks behind them. Ever see the movie "Dark City." You are basically the same as the main character in that film, so do whatever you can to recognize the world you live in and fight back. Humanity is counting on you.

All the best.
Ignorant, did i ever say this site was rigged against me? NO, the only reason I made money is because the players are just so terrible on here, your ignorant comment proves you 0 desire to possibly take this issue seriously, which I really dont care, I have never seen what I have seen on Global EVER on a different site nor live, ive also talked to other players that dont think other sites are rigged and still question the RNG of global, idk if the player pool is so low on this site that you just choose to ignore it because its such a profitable site, whichever, i really dont care.
02-18-2018 , 01:27 PM
The reason you see more bad beats, IMO, is exactly because there are so many more bad players.

If you ever play live, how many times per session do you hear the guy saying, "Damn, I would have won that but I couldn't call $X on the flop with just bottom pair"

But Global has tons of players who can, and do call $x on the flop with bottom pair. Cause they're morons.

Adjust for variance accordingly.
02-18-2018 , 01:41 PM
Calling people ignorant, yet saying he has played millions of hands...lawl.

Even the most aggressive grinders haven't seen "millions" of hands.
02-18-2018 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by matt hirschhorn
Ignorant, did i ever say this site was rigged against me?
Yes.

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Originally Posted by matt hirschhorn
anyways for the past 2 nights i just went through a ton of bad beats, probably around 20 to 40 bad beats, not exaggerating either
That is unless you believe the RnG is rigged when it is nighttime or something. Your rig rant was based on your exaggerated, whiny bad beat claim, hence the rig was based on you for your pocket change. You likely had no idea you said it as you were screaming about your fate, but yes - you clearly indicated that the site was rigged against you.

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Originally Posted by matt hirschhorn
the only reason I made money is because the players are just so terrible on here
Well, at least you are semi honest about your placement in the poker food chain. Perhaps you also played against people who were not "so terrible" and were better than you, and then you lost money. Welcome to poker.

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Originally Posted by matt hirschhorn
ignorant comment proves you 0 desire to possibly take this issue seriously
I am taking this exactly as seriously as it should be taken when a new, whiny poster screams about bad beats with no evidence of anything other than a lack of emotional stability. Would offering you a cookie help or something?

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Originally Posted by matt hirschhorn
I really dont care
People who do not care avoid posting whiny screamposts when they lose pocket change.


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Originally Posted by matt hirschhorn
I have never seen what I have seen on Global EVER on a different site nor live, ive also talked to other players that dont think other sites are rigged and still question the RNG of global, idk if the player pool is so low on this site that you just choose to ignore it because its such a profitable site, whichever, i really dont care.
You really make a strong effort to show how little you care, which is a shame given how humanity is counting on you to solve this major crisis. Perhaps you are just not up to the job.

Remember to keep replying to every post to show how little you care, and be sure to call more people ignorant!

All the best.
02-18-2018 , 01:50 PM
countless people that have been playing online poker for a decade+ have seen far more than 1m hands

if one counts every hand of tournament/sng/cash play I'm sure I've played well over 3m myself

The guy is dumb and saying a lot of dumb things, but you're the ignorant one there.

Last edited by SitandSpin; 02-18-2018 at 01:56 PM. Reason: @ B-U-G
02-18-2018 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BoozedUpGambler
Calling people ignorant, yet saying he has played millions of hands...lawl.

Even the most aggressive grinders haven't seen "millions" of hands.
Yes, he made an ignorant comment about an assumption of what I thought, which i clearly never said, I never claimed the rng to be out against me, i clearly said i dont think its random, who cares how many hands ive played if its not millions or not its besides the point, ive played enough where I single table and play for 1 hour and see 15 bad beats EVERY ****ING TIME! To obvious theres a abnormal number of underdogs winning on the river
02-18-2018 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SitandSpin
countless people that have been playing online poker for a decade+ have seen far more than 1m hands

if one counts every hand of tournament/sng/cash play I'm sure I've played well over 3m myself

The guy is dumb and saying a lot of dumb things, but you're the ignorant one there.
Yea im dumb, lol i make my living from live 2/5, this site is soft as ****, but the RNG is not random, im honestly amazed more people on this site havent found this site off, you would think players that understand the mathematical side of poker should know a underdog on the flop shouldnt win on the river 50% of the time, but on GLOBAL, its constant
02-18-2018 , 02:19 PM
If that's actually happening, Matt, then you're right, that is a problem.

But without actual hand histories over a large sample size, you have no chance of proving it's happening.
02-18-2018 , 02:26 PM
No I agree, I clearly said I have no proof, its my personal observation, I experienced like 9 bad beats towards myself single tabeling micros in like 3 hours, the last one was the worst and i removed the site from my desktop, i flop Top Pair with flush draw, oppenent is a fish low chip stack, he shoves i call, oppenent has bottom pair, turn gives him two pair, river hits the house, I turned the nut flush, after this i just left the game, how on earth are fish just constantly hitting the river against me, i couldnt believe what i was seeing, it was unreal
02-18-2018 , 02:29 PM
I can understand the feeling - but you certainly understand that sometimes you just hit streaks like that too, right?

I mean I went through a 5 week period in live play where I was constantly - *constantly* getting 4, 3, 2 and even 1 outered. It was absurdly tilting but it's just the nature of poker too sometimes.

(Flopping a set, turning the boat and losing the river to a royal was particularly ... fun...)
02-18-2018 , 02:35 PM
Hopefully the emotionally sympathetic cookie you offered him will sooth his frustration and wipe away the tears. If not, then

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Originally Posted by matt hirschhorn
did i ever say this site was rigged against me? NO
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Originally Posted by matt hirschhorn
how on earth are fish just constantly hitting the river against me, i couldnt believe what i was seeing, it was unreal
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Originally Posted by matt hirschhorn
the last one was the worst and i removed the site from my desktop

He can be content in believing that he does not really care.
02-18-2018 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by matt hirschhorn
No I agree, I clearly said I have no proof, its my personal observation, I experienced like 9 bad beats towards myself single tabeling micros in like 3 hours, the last one was the worst and i removed the site from my desktop, i flop Top Pair with flush draw, oppenent is a fish low chip stack, he shoves i call, oppenent has bottom pair, turn gives him two pair, river hits the house, I turned the nut flush, after this i just left the game, how on earth are fish just constantly hitting the river against me, i couldnt believe what i was seeing, it was unreal
02-18-2018 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Hopefully the emotionally sympathetic cookie you offered him will sooth his frustration and wipe away the tears. If not, then








He can be content in believing that he does not really care.
Stop making assumptions based upon my comments, I DONT BELIEVE THE SITE IS RIGGED AGAINST ME, I think the RNG is just not legitimate, idk if its to create more rake or what, but something is sketchy, the bad beats and coolers are not just happening to me, i see it happening constantly, untill someone can show me statistical proo that I am wrong I will contine to hold the same opinion about this site, and TRUST ME I WANT TO BE PROVED WRONG, the site is so fishy, but I will not support this site untill proven otherwise.
02-18-2018 , 03:08 PM
Matt - you're asking for statistical proof of a negative.

The burden of proof here is on you - the one making the claim of the rig.

What we're doing is demonstrating that so far you haven't offered any actual evidence - just anecdotes and feelings.

If you're right - statistics is your *friend* here.
02-18-2018 , 03:12 PM
Oh damn, you can beat live 2/5nl? I take back what I said, you're a stable genius.
02-18-2018 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilGreebo
Matt - you're asking for statistical proof of a negative.

The burden of proof here is on you - the one making the claim of the rig.

What we're doing is demonstrating that so far you haven't offered any actual evidence - just anecdotes and feelings.

If you're right - statistics is your *friend* here.
And I agree with you, unfortuanately i have no evidence, I wish i did because im pretty sure i would find an mathematical abnormality on this site, anyways this is just my opinion like you said, id rather post this and people question it so we can get to the truth, but untill then it is all just opninions
02-18-2018 , 03:17 PM
I've binked a bunch of 2 outers recently when I have some pocket pair aipf, fall behind (thus creating rakeaction), and hit a set on the river. I've seen a bunch of fish claim that this exact scenario happens to them "more than it should" on this site.

I say that we're all on to something here and everybody that's with us on this should play thousands more hands than they currently do so we can work up the sample size to TAKE THEM DOWN!
02-18-2018 , 03:20 PM
And what the hell is up with the terrible tourney structures on this site? No deepstack tourneys? 8 minute blind SNGs only that are mostly turbo, they have proven with their SNG and tourney structures they are trying to only maximize profits, wouldnt suprise me if they would also did it with their RNG also
02-18-2018 , 03:22 PM
Also am I the only person around who doesn't give a damn if the RNG is rigged or not as long as it's not rigged in some exploitable way?
02-18-2018 , 03:23 PM
lol the tournament structures on this website might be the actual GOAT

it's a fast paced world, no degen on the move has time for 14 hour tournaments
02-18-2018 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SitandSpin
I've binked a bunch of 2 outers recently when I have some pocket pair aipf, fall behind (thus creating rakeaction), and hit a set on the river. I've seen a bunch of fish claim that this exact scenario happens to them "more than it should" on this site.

I say that we're all on to something here and everybody that's with us on this should play thousands more hands than they currently do so we can work up the sample size to TAKE THEM DOWN!
I love the assumption that I MUST be a fish to question the validity of an RNG on website thats trying to make money, lol the medical industry pays off scientist to falsify data on prescription drug studies, and your telling me ITS IMPOSSIBLE for an online poker site to create more action on the board to generate more rake? lol
02-18-2018 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SitandSpin
lol the tournament structures on this website might be the actual GOAT

it's a fast paced world, no degen on the move has time for 14 hour tournaments
your a fish if you think these tourneys are the GOAT, the blind levels are simply to fast, AND there is no DS.

      
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