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Old 01-21-2018, 12:35 AM   #1276
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they've stated their reasons, which certainly have come into question.
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But GP is highly protective of player stats, even your own stats they seem to want to keep you from.

Why is that do you think?
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So why make it so hard to know what's going on with the cards?

Again... it's a bad look, whether from a pure gaming perspective... or a deeper view.
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But GP doesn't want you seeing that.

It's up to you to decide why that is.
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Why? Because GP doesn't want you having that information.

Wonder why that is?
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Old 01-21-2018, 12:41 AM   #1277
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Sorry man, shoot me over a list of what I'm allowed to post and I'll try to not stray too far from the plantation, cool?

Maybe you can get a list from the folks over at GP of what you're allowed to say?
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Old 01-21-2018, 01:20 AM   #1278
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Re: Global Poker - RNG Discussion

Who said you weren't allowed to post anything? Sorry if my mild jab at your repetitiveness hurt your feelings.
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Old 01-21-2018, 01:35 AM   #1279
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Who said you weren't allowed to post anything? Sorry if my mild jab at your repetitiveness hurt your feelings.
I had a good cry, and I feel better.

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Old 01-21-2018, 01:49 AM   #1280
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Old 01-21-2018, 02:16 AM   #1281
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that pic was good comedy bobo, and I've read your recent posts and I approve in case you were wondering lol, I actually like em believe it or not. But for the record add me to the list of people that are very profitable on GP and are/have beaten normal industry win rate/roi over a reasonable sample size that doesn''t trust the rng one bit. To the point that since I've switched to cash games from stts that I'm having to not be results oriented or even worse adj my play for what my subconscious thinks the unlikely runouts will be. I am enjoying the cash games tho and so is my bank account since I quit battling stts, and im finding that "word play" or whatever Kassouf called it is also quite useful in that environment!
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Old 01-21-2018, 05:10 AM   #1282
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I've always thought that if players who don't trust the RNG but are able to adjust their play in a way that is profitable and puts their mind at ease, it's a good idea. Even if they're wrong, it doesn't matter if the changes they make don't hurt their win rate - likely it helps, as it can't be good for your mindset and therefore your play when you're constantly thinking about how the rig is out to get you, or that a faulty RNG is messing with your results.
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Old 01-21-2018, 12:08 PM   #1283
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I've always thought that if players who don't trust the RNG but are able to adjust their play in a way that is profitable and puts their mind at ease, it's a good idea. Even if they're wrong, it doesn't matter if the changes they make don't hurt their win rate - likely it helps, as it can't be good for your mindset and therefore your play when you're constantly thinking about how the rig is out to get you, or that a faulty RNG is messing with your results.
Well said.
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Old 01-21-2018, 07:28 PM   #1284
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I don't know why having this discussion always reminds me of talking to my teenage daughter when she's hysterical.

I've stated over and over that it's anecdotal and not a huge sample size. I also compared it to a much larger size from other sites. Did you not read that part?



I'm "us," guy. I'm a winning player at GP and I was a winning player (at least in my later days) at FTP.

Did you miss that too?



Again, your word is anecdotal and based on your personal experience.

So is mine.

We both are winners at the games we play at GP. (You play more and higher stakes apparently.)

You feel there is no shady dealing going on, I'm not so sure.

Here's the bummer though man... neither of us can prove it.

Why? Because GP doesn't want you having that information.

Wonder why that is?
What information is global not giving us that other sites are? Explain.
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Old 01-21-2018, 07:31 PM   #1285
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What information is global not giving us that other sites are? Explain.
Well, other sites let you download you're own hand histories. I'm not a genius but I think that's his point.
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Old 01-21-2018, 07:35 PM   #1286
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I can view my hand histories though. Even if it is a pain in the ass, I can look at them.
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Old 01-21-2018, 08:31 PM   #1287
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I can view my hand histories though. Even if it is a pain in the ass, I can look at them.
Pull up your last mtt or sng hand histories please. And don't cash game hands expire after a while?
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Old 01-22-2018, 06:04 AM   #1288
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I can view my hand histories though. Even if it is a pain in the ass, I can look at them.
and tell me how many AA did you get in your last 100k hands. Or how many sets did you flop.

So I will know if your distribution is right.

*sarcasm mode on
Of cause do it all manually through going over your hand history in the browser.
*sarcasm mode off
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Old 01-24-2018, 09:34 PM   #1289
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and tell me how many AA did you get in your last 100k hands. Or how many sets did you flop.

So I will know if your distribution is right.

*sarcasm mode on
Of cause do it all manually through going over your hand history in the browser.
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This, exactly.

And again... this is an era of stats in gaming. Literally every gamer, every fantasy sports participant... essentially anyone playing games under the age of 50 these days expects extensive stats on their own play.

I can't think of one service I pay for, or game I play that doesn't have extensive stats available. Finance, gaming, you name it.

GP is keeping their players in the dark and basing it on reasoning that they want to protect the player.

Ok.
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Old 01-29-2018, 06:14 PM   #1290
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Global Poker : Theories and Thoughts

Good Day 2+2 :

Been around awhile and have seen many things in the online poker world since 2003 . I like to read the forums and rarely speak . I remember the days when all the big companies where running games . Stars-Tilt-Paradise-Party-Absolute=Ultimate Bet. Etc . I always enjoyed reading the threads about it being rigged . They amuse me as I play. Passing the long intervals of endless folds .

This post is not about rigged games or stacked decks or any of that nonsense. What I am attempting to accomplish is to get a grasp on actual theories of what Global Poker actually is . In the traditional sense could it be real poker? Or is it something that looks and feels like poker? Are there crazy anomalies that are happening on a consistent basis ?

Lets start with me. I am no great player . I eek out a small profit and when I say small that's exactly what I mean. I've had some big scores in the past but mostly attribute that to good timing and luck. I don't claim to be anything but a small time tournament grinder and am very happy with that.I play mostly MTT's and also have about 900 Sit and go's logged in at Global. Ranging from the smallest buy in up to $50.00 Turbos and hypers but mostly I swim around in the $5.00 to $30.00 range . I do not know if 900 of these is a proper sample size for the math wizards but its enough for me.

Being on a pension allows me the time to play online and all day everyday I have done this again for about 15 years. I enjoy it and it provides me with some extra income. Now to what I am after . Hoping I get both sides of the fence here to be able to make an informed opinion of what I am actually playing.

The things I have noticed are this. People come on the forums claiming some sick beat and quickly get dismantled on the rigged theory. Me personally do not feel in any sense that Global has there hand in rigging games for there own personal profit. What I do feel and have noticed is that there is something in the code or program that keeps people from winning certain hands no matter what the math says.

Now in my own experience with Global I have cashed out successfully and may I add to get it within 24 hours of hitting the button is incredible. One thing I have noticed is what some people may call the cash out curse? After a cash out I go through a period of 12-48 hours where nothing goes correctly for me. Could it be my actual thoughts or changing the way I approach the game? I have looked into this and really I play the same all the time. It works for me . Not sure how to explain it as I'm an older guy but my game doesn't evolve it just is what it is. One reason I stay away from cash games . You guys are impossible to figure out lol. I have read on a few other forums of other players recently experiencing this cash out curse for lack of a better word . Also may I say it always rights itself after a period of time.

I also have experienced ceilings for winnings. What I am saying is . I will reach a certain point and it will just stop like hitting a wall. I understand variance and actually rely on it to keep a sane mind. I know the difference between making a bad play and losing and a player making a bad play against me and winning. I accept it as part of the game. I am not here to complain or whine . It happens.

Like today for example. Six man Hyper I am dealt A-A player in front of me ships with K-K , I call . BB Calls with Q-J Suited . Flop comes A-K-10 all hearts . BB flops Royal Flush against two sets . Standard for Global Poker . All in pre . Its only 1-649,740 . So I lose $5.00 lol. Big Deal . I share this hand only to show the absurdity. I've seen crazy stuff at all sites . Never this while I was in the hand but I do know it happens and now can say I was a part of it.

So lets get this discussion rolling on Theories of what we are playing. I suppose I should just go with the adage of why try and fix something that isn't broken . I have a need to understand this .


Any Input is greatly appreciated

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Old 01-29-2018, 06:56 PM   #1291
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Good Day 2+2 :

Been around awhile and have seen many things in the online poker world since 2003 . I like to read the forums and rarely speak . I remember the days when all the big companies where running games . Stars-Tilt-Paradise-Party-Absolute=Ultimate Bet. Etc . I always enjoyed reading the threads about it being rigged . They amuse me as I play. Passing the long intervals of endless folds .

This post is not about rigged games or stacked decks or any of that nonsense. What I am attempting to accomplish is to get a grasp on actual theories of what Global Poker actually is . In the traditional sense could it be real poker? Or is it something that looks and feels like poker? Are there crazy anomalies that are happening on a consistent basis ?

Lets start with me. I am no great player . I eek out a small profit and when I say small that's exactly what I mean. I've had some big scores in the past but mostly attribute that to good timing and luck. I don't claim to be anything but a small time tournament grinder and am very happy with that.I play mostly MTT's and also have about 900 Sit and go's logged in at Global. Ranging from the smallest buy in up to $50.00 Turbos and hypers but mostly I swim around in the $5.00 to $30.00 range . I do not know if 900 of these is a proper sample size for the math wizards but its enough for me.

Being on a pension allows me the time to play online and all day everyday I have done this again for about 15 years. I enjoy it and it provides me with some extra income. Now to what I am after . Hoping I get both sides of the fence here to be able to make an informed opinion of what I am actually playing.

The things I have noticed are this. People come on the forums claiming some sick beat and quickly get dismantled on the rigged theory. Me personally do not feel in any sense that Global has there hand in rigging games for there own personal profit. What I do feel and have noticed is that there is something in the code or program that keeps people from winning certain hands no matter what the math says.

Now in my own experience with Global I have cashed out successfully and may I add to get it within 24 hours of hitting the button is incredible. One thing I have noticed is what some people may call the cash out curse? After a cash out I go through a period of 12-48 hours where nothing goes correctly for me. Could it be my actual thoughts or changing the way I approach the game? I have looked into this and really I play the same all the time. It works for me . Not sure how to explain it as I'm an older guy but my game doesn't evolve it just is what it is. One reason I stay away from cash games . You guys are impossible to figure out lol. I have read on a few other forums of other players recently experiencing this cash out curse for lack of a better word . Also may I say it always rights itself after a period of time.

I also have experienced ceilings for winnings. What I am saying is . I will reach a certain point and it will just stop like hitting a wall. I understand variance and actually rely on it to keep a sane mind. I know the difference between making a bad play and losing and a player making a bad play against me and winning. I accept it as part of the game. I am not here to complain or whine . It happens.

Like today for example. Six man Hyper I am dealt A-A player in front of me ships with K-K , I call . BB Calls with Q-J Suited . Flop comes A-K-10 all hearts . BB flops Royal Flush against two sets . Standard for Global Poker . All in pre . Its only 1-649,740 . So I lose $5.00 lol. Big Deal . I share this hand only to show the absurdity. I've seen crazy stuff at all sites . Never this while I was in the hand but I do know it happens and now can say I was a part of it.

So lets get this discussion rolling on Theories of what we are playing. I suppose I should just go with the adage of why try and fix something that isn't broken . I have a need to understand this .


Any Input is greatly appreciated

Thanks
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Old 01-29-2018, 07:14 PM   #1292
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ShawnB : Is it possible that the program recognizes regular players and regulates there win rate in order to keep the community on an even playing field?

I have read many posts on this forum about we should just attribute the long odds against to newer players making bad plays and getting lucky. While I can certainly accept this on a short term basis . When I factor in hundreds of different players in different games calling all there chips off and consistently hitting low percentage outs it becomes a pattern.

I suppose what I am suggesting is that they have something written in the program to equal out the odds to keep people playing and coming back. I'm not opposed to this because as I said I'm winning small amounts consistently but have had to up my blood pressure meds . LOL
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Old 01-29-2018, 07:37 PM   #1293
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No, the software is legitimate and it is poker. Sorry you had some bad beats, it doesn't change anything. And nah your sample isn't that big. At least you know what variance is, so just try to re-explain it to yourself.
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Old 01-29-2018, 07:43 PM   #1294
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No, the software is legitimate and it is poker. Sorry you had some bad beats, it doesn't change anything. And nah your sample isn't that big. At least you know what variance is, so just try to re-explain it to yourself.
Thanks for that wonderful input. I see you took the time to read what I wrote. I'm not complaining about Bad Beats . I asking a question about the absurdity of the beats themselves . In reality a loss is a loss however bad it may appear.

I am trying to understand the software itself because there is obviously something that allows it to not run on typical % . If you do not see that then you have no idea what you are speaking of. So please bring something to the table other than your word that software is legitimate . What are your qualifications to show me that besides your word?

I'm bringing a discussion that has merit by the shear amount of people that have had these things happening. No tin foil hate here . Please reread my post and bring me something than variance and bad beats
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Old 01-29-2018, 07:52 PM   #1295
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Wait a sec don’t we already have a thread for this? Oh ya the rigged RNG thread. I’m sure since u took the time to write such a well worded looonnggg post it deserves its own thread but same theories we’ve all heard before

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Old 01-29-2018, 07:55 PM   #1296
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Poker is dead.
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Old 01-29-2018, 08:01 PM   #1297
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I’m sure since u took the time to write such a well worded looonnggg post you think it deserves its own thread, but it doesn't.
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Wait a sec don’t we already have a thread for this? Oh ya the rigged RNG thread. I’m sure since u took the time to write such a well worded looonnggg post it deserves its own thread but same theories we’ve all heard before


Nope not at all:

What I think is that between 2003 and 2009 . I read a ton of rigged theory posts on many different message boards only for those people with theories to be disregarded as insane paranoid people. I witnessed mods move posts and all the naysayers chime in.

How did that turn out?

Stands to good reason that an actual ADULT discussion is in order . I suppose I am just on the wrong forum . My Bad
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Stands to good reason that an actual ADULT discussion is in order . I suppose I am just on the wrong forum . My Bad
A lot of people are ready for an "ADULT" discussion any time rigged theorists are ready for one. But it's hard to have one when all that is ever brought to the table is anecdotes or, at best, evidence that consists of minuscule sample sizes. Why is it that no one ever, ever, EVER has anything in the way of substantial evidence?

And what kind of new "adult" discussion were you hoping that your post would engender, when all it consists of is the exact same stuff as every other riggie post, but with your own spin on the standard disclaimers (been around a long time, laughed at riggies, my post isn't about the standard nonsense, etc., etc.)?
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I've always thought that if players who don't trust the RNG but are able to adjust their play in a way that is profitable and puts their mind at ease, it's a good idea. Even if they're wrong, it doesn't matter if the changes they make don't hurt their win rate - likely it helps, as it can't be good for your mindset and therefore your play when you're constantly thinking about how the rig is out to get you, or that a faulty RNG is messing with your results.
ya +1 very well said and I'm sorry for not thanking you and giving props to this post earlier, and fwiw it's still working for me!

side note why's/how'd tizzull get banned what'd i miss anybody know I thought he was a decent enough guy.
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