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12-13-2017 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by stopthemadnessnow
because hey, U.S. players actually found a poker site that is "legal" and actually pays out.
Hey Matt, welcome back. I was wondering if you would show up again or not. Disappointed in the new screen name choice though, you had upped your game, but it seems on the decline now.

With all of that said, I love the fact that in this entire post about how Global is like the worst thing to ever hit the internet, yet even you have to point out they do pay. Seems like a solid tag line for Global:

"Even the people who know our site is rigged admit we still payout"

Thanks for the heads up though. Thank you for your unfounded wild speculation that this site is bad and we should stay away. If it wasn't for first time 2+2 posters warning of scams, where else would I get my daily chuckles.
12-13-2017 , 09:03 AM
This guy needs to take his downswings like a man! This site is great. No problems so far just money in my hand!!! #plo #thegreatgame

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12-13-2017 , 11:02 AM
TL : DR
12-13-2017 , 11:05 AM
That feel when you fold to 3 or 4 BBs in a tournament and complain. LOL.
12-13-2017 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by stopthemadnessnow
You are exactly one of the immature, naïve fools that I was expecting a response from. If you know anything about poker tell me two things.

1. Explain to me how that was not collusion

2. Explain how one can see more four of a kinds in one month than in ten years

Anyone with a lick of sense can see that while it may not be "rigged" persay, it is definitely not random in the true sense of you or I shuffling a deck of cards. It never will be.
1. Many things could explain this line of play, could be as simple as someone playing multiple tables and not looking at chip stacks. Could be someone who is new to poker and doesn't have a strong grasp on ICM or money bubble strategies. Could be collusion, although I highly doubt that in a small SnG like you're likely playing. Collusion occurs in live games as well, but I digress.

2. Have you ever been dealt a Royal Flush? Personally, I've had a fair share online and two that I can remember from the live setting (I don't play much live poker anymore). Point is, Daniel Negreanu has only one documented Royal Flush in his career and admitted a few years back to never having been dealt one. Is poker rigged against him, or is it simple mathematics based off the number of hands someone has played. Play online, play more hands per hour, see more premium hands (although that was your thesis and main argument proving poker is rigged, so guess I'm delusional).
12-13-2017 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dalsue214
OP did, however, answer why he is losing at the game.
^^This. And mildly amusing he doesn't recognize it, although a bit boorish as that's always how these threads go.
12-13-2017 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by stopthemadnessnow
First off, I've been playing poker (live and online) for over 10 years. Which may a lot to some, or not a lot to others. Point is, in 10 years, you've seen it all in poker.

Now onto Global Poker. I have been playing on here for over a month now and that is more than enough sample size to see that it is just not "real" poker. I've seen more four of a kinds in the last month than I've seen in 10 years of live casino poker and home games etc. Now I know exactly what you online backers say to this. "Well, in online poker you see more hands than live poker, so of course you'll see more big hands." My ass. It's the same garbage I've seen spewed out since the JokerStars and FullTilt days before Black Friday. It's not real. You can be naive and in denial as much as you want, but it's simply not real. I just finished a 6-max tournament and bubbled, of course. Because you'll often find me in the chat boxes complain about the site being rigged, and they obviously don't want that bad publicity.

Now back to the 6-max. 3 incredibly shady things happened. Number 1: The big stack has about 8000 chips and the 2 short stacks (me and another guy who I won't mention his name but I've seen someone complain about him on this forum and I think he works for the company) are hovering at around 500 chips each which is about 3 or 4 BBs at the time. I'm in the BB with k10, big stack is on button, and GP "employee" is to my right in small blind. Button limps, small blind folds, and I check. Flop is kqq. Now heads up 3 handed, K10 is nearly always good here and I literally have about 4BB to start the hand. BUT I know exactly how this site works. They want me to go broke here. I check and button checks behind. Perfect card for me on the turn is the 3rd queen. Now 99% of players go broke here. Full house, what are the odds your opponent holds a queen, etc. etc. But I cautiously check, even with only 4 BB. Button bets minimum and I just call. River blank and I check, he bets minimum again and I reluctantly call. What does he show? Q2 for the 4 of a kind and I am left with 2 or 3 big blinds while the other short stack has about the same.

Now onto Number 2 and this is where I believe COLLUSION has happened. A couple of hands later after I picked up a few more chips, the suspected GP employee is now in the BB with only 110 chips behind with 200 chips in the BB. I fold the button with about 500 chips and hope the big stack with 8,000 chips just simply min raises 110 more chips to force small blind all in and hopefully knock him out so we cash. But low and behold, the big stack folds for absolutely no reason. I don't care who you are in poker, you're playing 72 there. EVERY TIME. There's never a true reason why you're not going to just put an extra 100 chips out there to get a chance to knock a player out and cash. Worse case you lose and BB only gets an extra 100 chips. Best case you get it down to 2 handed and a cash. Blatant cheating. So how can you prove that these two players don't know each other and aren't at two different computers in two different places on the phone sharing hole cards etc.? It could be happening at any table at any time. The only way you can truly prevent collusion is by playing in a live real casino. Worst part about it is, it looks like there's not an option for hand history in tournaments so I can document this.

Now onto number 3 and this is the biggest joke of all. Very next hand, I am now in the BB with Q10clubs. Big stack simply calls (to knock me out) when he should be raising anyways which is suspicious because I only have like 4BBs and one is already in the pot. Small blind GP employee folds and I check back. Flop is KQQ. I check, big stack makes minimum bet I check raise for literally only 90 chips more. He calls and shows K3. He has a 8.59% chance at this point. But you know exactly what hits on the river. K for the higher full house. I understand bad beats happen. I've had hundreds or thousands in casinos. But they happen way too often on online poker and Global is the worst I've ever seen.

So now in the matter of just a few hands, there's been a miracle four of a kind vs full house, a miracle river 2 outer full house, and blatant collusion on the part of two players.

Now I love poker, and I love playing sit & go's but in my area, none of the local card rooms offer them. I don't have the time to sit there for 10 hours in a MTT at the casino. So I've been looking for a long time for a legitimate site to play online. I thought that I had found it simply because they actually process your payouts. I've played on sites that never paid me my money. So that was refreshing at first. But I cannot trust this site, I will not trust this site, and I will not recommend anyone who loves the game of poker play here. It's not real.

STAY AWAY FROM THIS SITE. This is not your typical "oh online poker is so rigged" rant. This is the truth and anyone who denies it simply just doesn't want to believe it because hey, U.S. players actually found a poker site that is "legal" and actually pays out.

Oh and lastly, yes this is my first post here. I've read forums on this site for years but today was the first time I was actually compelled to sign up for an account and share my story because I know I am not the only one who knows this site is a joke.
Was this a $1.10 buy in?
12-13-2017 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by stopthemadnessnow
Please, continue being a sheep like the rest of 'em.
The proper crazy tin foil hat word is sheeple, not sheep. If you plan to be the crazy guy everyone laughs at at least use the language of those more experienced than you at that craft. As played you are an amateur at everything with regard to quality.

All the best.
12-13-2017 , 05:08 PM
"Now onto Number 2 and this is where I believe COLLUSION has happened. A couple of hands later after I picked up a few more chips, the suspected GP employee is now in the BB with only 110 chips behind with 200 chips in the BB. I fold the button with about 500 chips and hope the big stack with 8,000 chips just simply min raises 110 more chips to force small blind all in and hopefully knock him out so we cash. But low and behold, the big stack folds for absolutely no reason. I don't care who you are in poker, you're playing 72 there. EVERY TIME."

I see this happen quite literally dozens of times every day. People aren't colluding. People are dumb.

Signed,
poker12, Global Poker Employee of the Month

Edit: all you have to do to crush SnGs is to play tight. That's it. God I love America.

Last edited by SitandSpin; 12-13-2017 at 05:13 PM.
12-13-2017 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by stopthemadnessnow
This is not your typical "oh online poker is so rigged" rant.
Let's see. Some anecdotes about how Global and other sites are all rigged, backed up by stories of two hands that are supposedly proof that it's rigged, and one that there's collusion.

Um...that's pretty much the textbook "oh online poker is so rigged" rant.

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Originally Posted by stopthemadnessnow
Oh and lastly, yes this is my first post here. I've read forums on this site for years but today was the first time I was actually compelled to sign up for an account and share my story because I know I am not the only one who knows this site is a joke.
People who are genuinely here for their first ever post on their first account don't usually feel the need to mention this, as we can all see how many posts you have.
12-13-2017 , 06:05 PM
Fine, I have no proof that it is in fact rigged, but let me ask you all this: does anyone have any proof that it's NOT rigged? Or at least not entirely random like it's supposed to be. I don't necessarily think it's rigged against any one player, I just don't believe it to be truly random.

There's not a poker player on this forum who hasn't questioned the legitimacy of this site. And that should be enough to wonder. I understand you all WANT it to be legit, or at least want others to think it's legit so you can continue to make money off of them. That's just greedy and not real poker. Poker used to be a game of respect and now it's a bunch of greedy losers who never leave their homes.

Someone give me proof that it isn't rigged, that there's no collusion, and that it's completely random and I'll rest my case. Until then, I will never actually trust the site and this post was just to share my opinions to others who are on the fence about the site.

Lastly, I don't want the site to be the joke that it is. I want to find a legitimate place to play, but GP just isn't it. It's unfortunate.
12-13-2017 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by stopthemadnessnow
Fine, I have no proof that it is in fact rigged, but let me ask you all this: does anyone have any proof that it's NOT rigged? Or at least not entirely random like it's supposed to be. I don't necessarily think it's rigged against any one player, I just don't believe it to be truly random.

There's not a poker player on this forum who hasn't questioned the legitimacy of this site. And that should be enough to wonder. I understand you all WANT it to be legit, or at least want others to think it's legit so you can continue to make money off of them. That's just greedy and not real poker. Poker used to be a game of respect and now it's a bunch of greedy losers who never leave their homes.

Someone give me proof that it isn't rigged, that there's no collusion, and that it's completely random and I'll rest my case. Until then, I will never actually trust the site and this post was just to share my opinions to others who are on the fence about the site.

Lastly, I don't want the site to be the joke that it is. I want to find a legitimate place to play, but GP just isn't it. It's unfortunate.
Howboutdah?

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12-13-2017 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by a dewd
Howboutdah?

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Then maybe my beef has less to do with global and more to do with online poker in general. I don't care what anyone says, an RNG will never be the same as a random real shuffle. Why? Because it's a computer. A computer built by man could never be random. That is why true A.I. will never exist because a computer cannot think for itself or produce any true randomness.

I guess the fault is my own for trying computer poker again. It really doesn't matter which site it is, I have always questioned the randomness of it. Whereas I never leave a casino and say man, that REAL dealer and REAL shuffle had it out for me and that wasn't random at all.

Regardless if it's a certified RNG etc. it still doesn't prove that there's no cheating and/or collusion which has happened at every poker site. If you're willing to risk your money knowing those possibilities exist then all power to you. Again, this isn't just limited to Global, it could happen at any site. It just seems like GP is much different and worse and many others have chimed in on that as well. Hopefully the model gets fixed.

I have a right to my opinion and maybe I wanted people to agree and disagree so I could get multiple viewpoints and see where I stood. Start a conversation and see what happens. Maybe I just want someone to prove me wrong and make me look like an idiot so I can actually feel comfortable playing at GP or online poker in general. (;

Instead, I got bullying, condescending replies from people who only survive by the "safety in numbers" rule. Although there were a couple of you who had mature neutral responses, so thank you for that.

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12-13-2017 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by stopthemadnessnow
It is without a doubt completely 100% with no one else to blame, my fault for trying computer poker again.
You misspelled "I guess". I fixed it for you.
12-13-2017 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by stopthemadnessnow
Then maybe my beef has less to do with global and more to do with online poker in general. I don't care what anyone says, an RNG will never be the same as a random real shuffle. Why? Because it's a computer. A computer built by man could never be random. That is why true A.I. will never exist because a computer cannot think for itself or produce any true randomness.

I guess the fault is my own for trying computer poker again. It really doesn't matter which site it is, I have always questioned the randomness of it. Whereas I never leave a casino and say man, that REAL dealer and REAL shuffle had it out for me and that wasn't random at all.

Regardless if it's a certified RNG etc. it still doesn't prove that there's no cheating and/or collusion which has happened at every poker site. If you're willing to risk your money knowing those possibilities exist then all power to you. Again, this isn't just limited to Global, it could happen at any site. It just seems like GP is much different and worse and many others have chimed in on that as well. Hopefully the model gets fixed.

I have a right to my opinion and maybe I wanted people to agree and disagree so I could get multiple viewpoints and see where I stood. Start a conversation and see what happens.

Instead, I got bullying, condescending replies from people who only survive by the "safety in numbers" rule. Although there were a couple of you who had mature neutral responses, so thank you for that.
The issue is the initial post. Declaring something is a sham or fake when there are thousands of posts saying otherwise will always get a slew of bad replies. Then adding in claims of obvious collusion....just ramps it up.

Voicing frustration is one thing and we have all done it. Joining and suddenly posting a warning/psa for people that have been on the site for 9+ months is another.

To be honest, you didn't get anywhere near the hate that some riggies do. Global has issues, no question. They've even been pretty good at working with the players here, although seem to be MIA the last several weeks.

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12-13-2017 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by a dewd
The issue is the initial post. Declaring something is a sham or fake when there are thousands of posts saying otherwise will always get a slew of bad replies. Then adding in claims of obvious collusion....just ramps it up.

Voicing frustration is one thing and we have all done it. Joining and suddenly posting a warning/psa for people that have been on the site for 9+ months is another.

To be honest, you didn't get anywhere near the hate that some riggies do. Global has issues, no question. They've even been pretty good at working with the players here, although seem to be MIA the last several weeks.

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I completely agree actually. After seeing the negative responses I realized my initial post was the catalyst. I was venting frustration and my opinion, I just did it in the wrong way.
12-13-2017 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by splayaa
You misspelled "I guess". I fixed it for you.
You're not wrong. I can only blame myself
12-13-2017 , 06:44 PM
I just hope the term "computer poker" catches on.
12-13-2017 , 06:54 PM
I should have just started the thread as a question and not a statement. The statement came purely from frustration and venting.
12-13-2017 , 07:12 PM
Yeah, it definitely started bad and went downhill from there, lol.

Keep in mind, there are tons of people on Global that don't actually play poker. They got their free $2 from FB or one of their contests. They are just goofing around and that's why so many showdowns are multi-player pots.

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12-13-2017 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by mdroz247
I realize that was hypothetical, but their intentions will always be business based. They will do whatever they can to make the most money while keeping the players playing. The last 3-5 years of US online poker will make a man jaded. Sites going under, winning players getting banned; the list seems endless. My relationship with ALL online poker sites is something to that of a relationship you would have with a used car salesman. At the end of the day they're offering you a product, but do you really trust any of the bull**** that comes out of their mouth? Just enough I suppose.

The part about keeping minimal amounts on is spot on.
This is exactly where my frustration comes from. After black Friday, it has been incredibly hard to trust any online poker site. I have been screwed countless times and frankly it just gets old. So this leads to overreacting. If it barks like a dog, it's a dog right? Well, GP is barking and due to so much BS from poker sites the last several years, it's extremely easy to jump to conclusions and say yes, it's a dog. Maybe I'm wrong, hopefully I am. But I hear barking.

Maybe it's just a cat meow?
12-13-2017 , 07:27 PM
Oh man, people do collude in sngs. It happens on every poker site. I mean common, you should expect it sitting with 8 or 5 random guys that some of them might actually be on the phone or something like that. But when they do collude you won't really see it as they won't make it as transparent. And yes in online poker you see much more hands. Playing 6 tables at once it happened so many times to me that people are going allin pre with random junk like Q7o and hittin QQ on the flop against my KK or something. So ****ing what. I do want them to go allin like this every ****ing time. If you do proper BR management you don't even notice those bad beats. Actually every time these guys win I want to thanks rng gods as they will give me this and even more later. I don't think I ever played on site that soft as GP. Back in days I was playing FT for NL10 and I didn't have even close to the winrate that I had here. Ffs 30bb/100, are you kidding me? I will take every bad beat I can get to have a win rate like this on higher limits.

And yes, having 4bbs and not going allin with it flopping FH. whatthe****iswrongwithyou
12-13-2017 , 07:30 PM
Let me go back to the posts many many pages back. Where there was talk of GP being a sweepstakes site and as long as you stayed in the hand you may have been predetermined to win the hand (sweepstakes. Then the RNG certificate came out and put that theory to bed but....No where on the certificate does it say the RNG is for the deck of cards. The RNG could be used to randomly generate the seat number of the person who will win the sweepstakes, provided he/she does not choose to leave the sweepstakes before winner is determined (fold hand). And yes the board can change to determine a new winner of the sweeps if the predetermined winner folds. So the RNG could be not referencing the deck but the random seat number of the potential winner.
12-13-2017 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by shawnb4595
Let me go back to the posts many many pages back. Where there was talk of GP being a sweepstakes site and as long as you stayed in the hand you may have been predetermined to win the hand (sweepstakes. Then the RNG certificate came out and put that theory to bed but....No where on the certificate does it say the RNG is for the deck of cards. The RNG could be used to randomly generate the seat number of the person who will win the sweepstakes, provided he/she does not choose to leave the sweepstakes before winner is determined (fold hand). And yes the board can change to determine a new winner of the sweeps if the predetermined winner folds. So the RNG could be not referencing the deck but the random seat number of the potential winner.
This is not my belief just a theory for people to knock around because when I need a laugh I always come back to this conspiracy thread.
12-13-2017 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by stopthemadnessnow
Fine, I have no proof that it is in fact rigged, but let me ask you all this: does anyone have any proof that it's NOT rigged? Or at least not entirely random like it's supposed to be. I don't necessarily think it's rigged against any one player, I just don't believe it to be truly random.

There's not a poker player on this forum who hasn't questioned the legitimacy of this site. And that should be enough to wonder. I understand you all WANT it to be legit, or at least want others to think it's legit so you can continue to make money off of them. That's just greedy and not real poker. Poker used to be a game of respect and now it's a bunch of greedy losers who never leave their homes.

Someone give me proof that it isn't rigged, that there's no collusion, and that it's completely random and I'll rest my case. Until then, I will never actually trust the site and this post was just to share my opinions to others who are on the fence about the site.

Lastly, I don't want the site to be the joke that it is. I want to find a legitimate place to play, but GP just isn't it. It's unfortunate.
Haha see ya at the tables.

      
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