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09-10-2017 , 12:24 AM
i have no life i think i'm just going to make unedited videos of global poker play.
09-10-2017 , 09:04 AM
The suckouts on global poker are absurd. I've always thought people who said sites were rigged were crazy. Either I am crazy or there is something going on with global poker.
09-10-2017 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by goatattack
I've always thought people who said sites were rigged were crazy.
Yeah, like this guy.

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Originally Posted by goatattack
The suckouts on Global Poker are ridiculous. Sometimes it is me sucking out, sometimes I am getting sucked out on. But they happen like clockwork, to the point where I frequently call the river and am hardly surprised when it hits.
Something very weird going on - either I am experiencing a bizarre mathematical anomaly or this place is suspect.
One thing I've heard from a lot of people is that they are on absolute fire for the first couple of weeks and then they hit a losing patch. I'm wondering if it might make sense for them to lure customers in with a free 2 bucks and then set it up so they do really well. And then they lose it and start becoming depositors because they feel they can go on another hot run?
You also ponder the following conundrum:

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Originally Posted by goatattack
Either I am crazy or there is something going on with global poker.
Seems you already answered your own question, you just need to pay closer attention to those inner voices of yours.

All the best.
09-10-2017 , 10:24 AM
Im very close to livestreaming and/or recording a session to see wtf i am doing wrong in my game, if im running massively under expectation or for some kind of a second opinion here. Im fairly certain i lost 8+ flips yesterday in a row but have no evidence, couldn't get it if i tried. I'm to the point where it seems optimal to fold AA pre in stts so ya it's become an issue. If I am running that far below expected value for this long I would like to know for how long it's likely to continue, ya know from a mathematical perspective because I'm about due for god mode by my analysis. My mental game has improved but this is really pushing it, feels like im playing slots or video games a lot of the time, like it's not even real poker. Maybe it is some predetermined sweeps bs.

I've always been a bit of a headcase, as Monteroy can attest to when I played for his stable for 2+ years.That being said, I'm also a long term wining player albeit not a huge one. I want so badly to think global rng is legit but Im having a hard time at this point, it just keeps going and going well below expected value. For how long? and what do i get if i can stream myself losing 8 flips in a row, do i get a cookie or a prize? i dont even wanna waste time or energy on this bs I just wanna play and win but im here reaching out for help basically.
09-10-2017 , 10:32 AM
the only things I can come up to attribute my recent results besides "variance" would be that I'm not doing enough little things right, winning small pots and losing the min in others. I guess the stts they have are actually much higher variance then they appear. Hidden by the funky structure and 2/3 starting stack from a "traditional" sng, not to mention awkward spots created by the average player skill level (or lack of), the vast majority of which seem not to have a working "fold" button so I realize they will get there often.
09-10-2017 , 11:39 AM
One thing I've really found peculiar is, I've RARELY won with sets in my past 10k hands or so. I literally lose every time. Yesterday, I folded two sets, at the same time, cause I knew there was no way I could be ahead. No flush on board, 2 cards to a straight. Not low sets, either (10's plus).

I've lost the past 3 times I made a set with aces.... I just found that amazing. I've played quite a bit of PLO, and... I can't even think of a run in that game where I went so long without winning with 3 of a kind. It holds up more in that game...

Normal thinking, "if you lose with a set, well that's just a cooler." Normal thinking on global poker, "I made 3 of a kind, the trap has been set. Time to fold."

Last edited by david perron; 09-10-2017 at 11:52 AM.
09-10-2017 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by david perron
One thing I've really found peculiar is, I HARDLY EVER win with 3 of a kind my past 10k hands or so. I literally lose every time. Yesterday, I folded two 3 of a kinds, at the same time, cause I knew there was no way I could be ahead. No flush on board, 2 cards to a straight. Not low sets, either (10's plus).

I've lost the past 3 times I made 3 of a kind with aces.... I just found that amazing. I've played quite a bit of PLO, and... I can't even think of a run in that game where I went so long without winning with 3 of a kind. It holds up more in that game...

Normal thinking, "if you lose with a set, well that's just a cooler." Normal thinking on global poker, "I made 3 of a kind, the trap has been set. Time to fold."
that kinda sounds results oriented. I feel that when I have AA they win @ showdown idk, 40-50% of the time. When I get dealt them, I get upset now cuz i cant not play them as they should be played, and I also go busto far too often when doing so. AA has become a trouble hand for me, like people talk about JJ or AQ. Obv I cant just fold AA pre. I lose to underpairs making sets or ATC calls making 2pr. That could also be short term results oriented. i won a buncha showdowns yesterday setmining with 33 against overpairs, to the point it was kinda funny to me. Again maybe just small random things, I see weird stuff live too but...

IF you're folding flopped sets you need to take a break and reset you're never going to win with that mentality. I'm not folding AA preflop hu @ the end of a sng (yet lol) but I am to the point where I need to look into my game or expectations and if I cant find the problems there then where are they?

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09-10-2017 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by big bwalz
that kinda sounds results oriented. I feel that when I have AA they win @ showdown idk, 40-50% of the time. When I get dealt them, I get upset now cuz i cant not play them as they should be played, and I also go busto far too often when doing so. AA has become a trouble hand for me, like people talk about JJ or AQ. Obv I cant just fold AA pre. I lose to underpairs making sets or ATC calls making 2pr. That could also be short term results oriented. i won a buncha showdowns yesterday setmining with 33 against overpairs, to the point it was kinda funny to me. Again maybe just small random things, I see weird stuff live too but...

IF you're folding flopped sets you need to take a break and reset you're never going to win with that mentality. I'm not folding AA preflop hu @ the end of a sng (yet lol) but I am to the point where I need to look into my game or expectations and if I cant find the problems there then where are they?
Zero regrets, whatsoever, for folding. I'm not even curious as to what they had. It's a forgone conclusion. If you want to treat this as the same game you've always played, you will be broke in a session.

The one time I didn't fold a set, that session, the guy rivered a gut shot straight with a rando 57 hand. If you have a made hand, it's time to go all-in. Try to get them to fold. They have a near 100% chance to hit. They will always call, though...
09-10-2017 , 02:03 PM
Keep at it then if you have a strategy that works for you.

Step 1 - Fold flopped sets

Step 2 - ??????

Step 3 - Profit


Consider adding folds of KK and AA pre-flop as well to maximize your earnings with your belief of the rig, while heavily relying totally on selective memory and cherry picked unverified results after the fact. All of this will have a direct impact on your results, and as you can see - you will feel much better about yourself as a poker player, and human in general. Your success with this approach will also mean that you whine less as time passes. Your personal hygiene will likely improve as well. This is the textbook definition of a win/win scenario, particularly for everyone else at your tables, or those unfortunate enough to read your posts.

All the best.

Last edited by Monteroy; 09-10-2017 at 02:10 PM. Reason: 666 is a set - coincidence?
09-10-2017 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by david perron
Zero regrets, whatsoever, for folding. I'm not even curious as to what they had. It's a forgone conclusion. If you want to treat this as the same game you've always played, you will be broke in a session.

The one time I didn't fold a set, that session, the guy rivered a gut shot straight with a rando 57 hand. If you have a made hand, it's time to go all-in. Try to get them to fold. They have a near 100% chance to hit. They will always call, though...

There are a alot of people on the site with no poker experience and that is the biggest reason for the goofy and poor play.

The rest is just nonsense. I know plenty of people that have done very well on the site. The lack of having a HUD is impacting a fair amount of the online regs.
09-10-2017 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by a dewd
There are a alot of people on the site with no poker experience and that is the biggest reason for the goofy and poor play.

The rest is just nonsense. I know plenty of people that have done very well on the site. The lack of having a HUD is impacting a fair amount of the online regs.
Do you mind elaborating on the "impacting" part of that post? I feel I'm one of those but I also feel I've attempted to counteract this circumstance fairly thoroughly hence my polite request for clarification. I agree that perron and that other fool talkin class action court stuff is absurd, and also that I may be just having a really bad stretch of standard variance. What i guess i really should do is go through my execl spreadsheets and figure out my actual roi as best I can, since its not done by a hud but input by me in real time. I'd bet I'm still well over 20% long term and im still upset, which brings into question what's the real attainable ROI against a vastly completely unskilled player pool. I've wondered this since BF, how I'd do in a regulated US market, and this is the closest thing I've seen and I'm not at all pleased with my results. I took today off to watch NFL and have a few beers, that will probably help.
09-10-2017 , 07:29 PM
The issue I think online poker players face on Global is the large pool of clueless people at the table. So, when you 3-bet preflop, all they can think of is....'wow this is a big pot, hope I win'. Don't forget, they market to everyday people and some have never even played the game. The 'hook' for the everyday FB account is "free" and that will bring in the masses. Most of the FB people that show up on the site are lost. They see an ace in their hand and get excited. A pair of 4s means call at all cost preflop, even if three other people are in the hand and all in. It is like playing online poker in 2006 all over again.

Then add in the fact that most online regs have HUDs and other software to help them that are now flying blind, in a sense. They cannot grasp someone not folding when they are grossly -EV. It makes for a wild wild west kind of game. If you raise preflop, you are getting callers. I don't care what network you are playing on, if you have 4 people in the flop, your A/K that misses is behind. This site caters to the rec player and that is good for those of us used to playing on a table of competent players. You just have to alter your game to the table play.
09-10-2017 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by a dewd
The issue I think online poker players face on Global is the large pool of clueless people at the table. So, when you 3-bet preflop, all they can think of is....'wow this is a big pot, hope I win'. Don't forget, they market to everyday people and some have never even played the game. The 'hook' for the everyday FB account is "free" and that will bring in the masses. Most of the FB people that show up on the site are lost. They see an ace in their hand and get excited. A pair of 4s means call at all cost preflop, even if three other people are in the hand and all in. It is like playing online poker in 2006 all over again.

Then add in the fact that most online regs have HUDs and other software to help them that are now flying blind, in a sense. They cannot grasp someone not folding when they are grossly -EV. It makes for a wild wild west kind of game. If you raise preflop, you are getting callers. I don't care what network you are playing on, if you have 4 people in the flop, your A/K that misses is behind. This site caters to the rec player and that is good for those of us used to playing on a table of competent players. You just have to alter your game to the table play.
I really appreciate you taking the time in that reply. It made me feel better and will help my approach going forward. Adjusting to the table is more of what I was doing when i initially played but I think I got more into autopilot multitabling mode as traffic increased and I got back into the swing of things and my results have suffered. Your explanation of "I have an ace or a pair" is spot on and ya i need to adjust my style and make damn sure im fresh and mentally present to react optimally to this sort of player pool that is what we have all wanted for years and is ideal.
09-10-2017 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by big bwalz
If I am running that far below expected value for this long I would like to know for how long it's likely to continue, ya know from a mathematical perspective because I'm about due for god mode by my analysis.
From a mathematical perspective, you're never due for anything. Past results don't affect future ones. The only way past results can predict future ones is if there's an issue with the game, or your play. That is to say, the results could be a symptom of a problem. If they're not, then they're irrelevant to future results.

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Originally Posted by david perron
One thing I've really found peculiar is, I've RARELY won with sets in my past 10k hands or so. I literally lose every time.
So which is it? You rarely win, or you literally lose every time?

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Originally Posted by david perron
Normal thinking on global poker, "I made 3 of a kind, the trap has been set. Time to fold."
If that's truly what you're doing, then why are you still playing there? Seriously.

I'm certainly not here to tell people not to play on sites that advertise with us, but it makes no sense to keep playing if you're making ridiculous folds because you're convinced it's rigged against you. Either figure out for certain what's going on, or stop playing there. Nothing else makes sense, unless you think you've designed some unique style of play that defeats this perceived rig, and it's working. But if you're not having and fun, and you're not making money - STOP.
09-10-2017 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
From a mathematical perspective, you're never due for anything. Past results don't affect future ones. The only way past results can predict future ones is if there's an issue with the game, or your play. That is to say, the results could be a symptom of a problem. If they're not, then they're irrelevant to future results.


So which is it? You rarely win, or you literally lose every time?


If that's truly what you're doing, then why are you still playing there? Seriously.

I'm certainly not here to tell people not to play on sites that advertise with us, but it makes no sense to keep playing if you're making ridiculous folds because you're convinced it's rigged against you. Either figure out for certain what's going on, or stop playing there. Nothing else makes sense, unless you think you've designed some unique style of play that defeats this perceived rig, and it's working. But if you're not having and fun, and you're not making money - STOP.
I agree that "due" is a reasonable term, but at some point according to math things should run even or close. I disagree with your statement that math doesnt owe me anything, what is the game we all play and love based upon. to break it down the pretty cadrs are there to represent mathematical and theoretical situations to be evaluated and played optimally. So if math is useless as I feel you implied then what are we all even doing here or talking about? I am unwilling to record and post my play for anybody but I am asking for Monteroy specifically to participate in this discussion and dialogue as i respect him ans used to play for his stable and have made him $, as have thousands of others. I 'd be willing to send to others but thaqt'd be a select few because ya im that good and i dont want it getting out how I play.
09-10-2017 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
From a mathematical perspective, you're never due for anything. Past results don't affect future ones. The only way past results can predict future ones is if there's an issue with the game, or your play. That is to say, the results could be a symptom of a problem. If they're not, then they're irrelevant to future results.


So which is it? You rarely win, or you literally lose every time?


If that's truly what you're doing, then why are you still playing there? Seriously.

I'm certainly not here to tell people not to play on sites that advertise with us, but it makes no sense to keep playing if you're making ridiculous folds because you're convinced it's rigged against you. Either figure out for certain what's going on, or stop playing there. Nothing else makes sense, unless you think you've designed some unique style of play that defeats this perceived rig, and it's working. But if you're not having and fun, and you're not making money - STOP.
ya i get your red or black roulette point but if red hits 200 times in a row would it be reasonable to expect black to hit sometime soon i guess is the q. your math professor tech reply is correct but isnt gonna get people to keep paying rake or playing games, let alone supporting a site where this kiknda thing has been going on for a while and people have been asking, and this your best answer is math doesn't add up basically or owe anybody anything. thanks for your help i appreciate it Bobo, point taken
09-10-2017 , 11:06 PM
Que?
09-10-2017 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Derp!
Que?
por que? side note I find it interesting nobody has even had a reply for me other than the obv nut jobs. Where;s Monteroy or a rep or Bobo with a sensible reply to what i consider my reasonable posts? I just got skipped over while they picked apart the obv fools but what about me? How much will it cost me to pay Gary to watch me live or review a session even though I'm most likely more studied and better at my game format I trust his ability to objectively analyze things.

I sure hope Adewd is right and I know he is, but I can tell u right now im upset and severely disappointed with a lot of this so far. granted the class action suit and trips folding on the flop are past the point of logic im not and am mad that i feel im being treated that way
09-10-2017 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by big bwalz
ya i get your red or black roulette point but if red hits 200 times in a row would it be reasonable to expect black to hit sometime soon i guess is the q. your math professor tech reply is correct but isnt gonna get people to keep paying rake or playing games, let alone supporting a site where this kiknda thing has been going on for a while and people have been asking, and this your best answer is math doesn't add up basically or owe anybody anything. thanks for your help i appreciate it Bobo, point taken
Well sure, I agree that if red hit 200 times in a row there would be a perception problem and telling people that the odds are still the same next time won't make them happy - but if red hit 200 times in a row, I think it would safe to say the problem isn't just perception, but is real.

But I get your point - I think it works equally well with red coming up 10 times in a row. People will be upset if it comes up red again, even though the odds are still close to 50% that it will.

Here's the thing - people who think it's rigged need to determine if it's the equivalent of 10 reds in a row, or 200. If it's 10 in a row, then there's not a lot the site can do about it, because that's going to, and is supposed to, happen once in a while. Riggies will be riggies, and you can't satisfy them all. If it's 200, there's a problem.

I wasn't trying to just be a mathematical nit or smart-ass, FWIW; it was a genuine answer to part of your question. The longer you play, the closer everything should be to expectation, but that doesn't mean it's "due" to happen at any given point in time. You could run precisely at expectation for the next 10 years, and if you were to look at your overall results including the -EV run you've had lately, each year you'd get closer to EV on average, without ever having had a matching +EV period.
09-10-2017 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by big bwalz
I really appreciate you taking the time in that reply. It made me feel better and will help my approach going forward. Adjusting to the table is more of what I was doing when i initially played but I think I got more into autopilot multitabling mode as traffic increased and I got back into the swing of things and my results have suffered. Your explanation of "I have an ace or a pair" is spot on and ya i need to adjust my style and make damn sure im fresh and mentally present to react optimally to this sort of player pool that is what we have all wanted for years and is ideal.
I don't see it as a site issue. I see it as a player pool issue. 13 years ago or so, PartyPoker was like free money. It was filled with people that would hold a pair and four hearts on the board. The networks all catered to the heavy users. Small companies created programs to track you hands and opponent ts, and then mathematically displayed the habits of everyone at the table. Players wanted to learn more and an obsession, almost, with GTO was next.

Today, you have a player pool that relies on all those tools. GP makes it difficult to use any of them and they offer no rebate/rake for the heavy grinder. The player pool is very different than other networks because of all the recs and many of the online regs cannot rely on their HUDs. That makes for high variance and crazy run-outs. Hi how many times do you see 3+ players at showdown?

So the player on the button re-raises their KK pot and then the blinds and initial raiser call. You know you are behind when the ace hits and then get all twisted.becaise two knuckleheads called your raise with A/7 and A/9 offsuit. The real cheap games are like Zynga poker. People get free money and do stupid things with it. The player that calls down the board with an under pair and flush on the board hasn't a clue as to how horrible they are playing. Add in the fact that pretty much every micro table has 3 or 4 of them and you have the makings of serious head scratching and mega tilt.

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09-11-2017 , 12:05 AM
Since I haven't really looked at other threads and only commented on this one and everybody seems to have something to say can somebody please tell me how to terminate my account on this site? Thank you.
09-11-2017 , 03:01 AM
Sucks you guys all have your doomswitch turned on. I'm up over 5k just from 50NL alone and loving every bit of these "fun" players sucking out on me runner runner style.
09-11-2017 , 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by NTellier85
Sucks you guys all have your doomswitch turned on. I'm up over 5k just from 50NL alone and loving every bit of these "fun" players sucking out on me runner runner style.
note and Admns better damn welll see this too, im up over 2k also but if Monteroy doesnt chime and volunter o watch me play or a CS rep and my variance continues ya u have no idea of the fit im capable of throwing. dont mock me
09-11-2017 , 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by theriddick
Since I haven't really looked at other threads and only commented on this one and everybody seems to have something to say can somebody please tell me how to terminate my account on this site? Thank you.
thats pretty much where im at and whit the replies of mods and Gary uhh ya..
09-11-2017 , 03:26 AM
well done BOB you really inspired myself an others to continue paying rake when math 'doesn't own anybody anything" so ya lets all just play slots if thats the caes and decision making and analysis are completely useless according to your logic? How much do I have to pay monteroy per hr to watch me play live, not asking for ****s and giggles but im about ready to pay him several times my hourly rate ust to watch and hear his objective opinion, cuz IO know clint retired and moved and i feel horrible about having burned my bridge with him a cpl years ago i was a bad person at the time.

      
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