I think we may have some confusion in terms and be on the same side of this argument, but either way I will try to clarify my opinion in a clear and concise way

If the RNG is flawed, even badly, as long as it remains flawed, we simply can put it in the category of variance. Will it act different than "normal poker", sure. But fish are fish and will make bad plays regardless of the RNG correctness.

If the RNG is certified to be correct, what would keep Global from swapping out the good RNG for a bad rigged one? Does the cert company continue to certify the RNG? They likely spot check it at best, and I doubt they even do this.

So then is the RNG flawed?

My answer is, who cares.

Crooked companies are crooked companies, and can find lots of other ways to fleece the public. Legit companies are legit companies and will make mistakes, but aren't out to unfairly take advantage of people.

I personally don't think Global is crooked and is on the up and up. All of the above is theoretical discussion. But I still would never keep life changing money sitting on Global (I have other threads on this exact topic, of risk and investment). I leave there what I am comfortable with finding in the morning is gone and never to return. That way if it turns out I am wrong in my trust of Global. No harm no foul, I was comfortable risking that amount anyways. Welcome to life, investments fall out, and don't pan out. I move on.

If the RnG was so flawed as to be detected then people would be exploiting it for a ton of money and it would eventually become obvious. This would be a silly way for a company to be crooked.



To Wishwasnt dude

Don't play there any more. That is your right as a consumer, but the history of your and other people's posts in threads like this remove any chance you will have of convincing anyone else of your positions, because your deep personal agendas are so obvious. Continue to rant if you like, but you are essentially complaining about your personal life bad beats to the clouds.

All the best.

I don't have to convince anyone of anything. The proof is in the pudding.

You're a clown. You can't play on Global so you want to stir the pot on twoplustwo because you can't play and you're a butthurt crybaby.

No. Nobody is disputing their gold coin purchases and even if they did or could they wouldn't be able to because paypal buyer protection wouldn't cover it.


What’s not covered with PayPal Purchase Protection:

-Real estate
-Motorized vehicles
-Custom-made goods that aren’t received
-Industrial machinery
-Prepaid cards
-Items that violate our policies
-Anything bought in person (not over the internet)
-Send Money transactions to friends or family
-Disputes filed more than 180 days after the purchase for item not received and significantly not as described claims
-Unauthorized transaction claims reported more than 60 days after the transaction date of the transaction
-Items that were described accurately by the seller



Interesting how you provide no proof at all for any of your outlandish claims.

You've also claimed there has been $250,000 plus in disputed transactions, but that's also a lie. VGW has a $250,000 bond with Paypal, it has nothing to do with disputed transactions.

Stop making things up.

Translation:

I don't need to provide proof because I'm a three year old throwing a temper tantrum, everyone should just assume I'm correct without providing any proof(because I have none).


No it isn't.

Edit:

Also as someone who has been using paypal for over ten years(I understand their new 2015 policies) , scammers can't get away with anything. People who run digital stores have nothing to worry about as if 5600 people all make a purchase and only two dispute there purchase and the store provides proof they supplied what they said they would the scammers have no case. The fact that the majority doesn't scam the digital goods provider is alone in and of itself enough evidence that anyone filing a dispute is a criminal and shouldn't receive their money back and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

At the very best it would be an extremely short sited way to run a company. So I am with you, it makes it very unlikely (albeit not impossible).

Guys, there were threads like this about ALL the former online sites including pokerstars and fulltilt.

The rake is enough. There is no need to rig the site as they would lose all credibility and the entire player base they have worked so hard to build up. The RnG works as intended and most certainly is certified and random.

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I'm sorry but someone who has been using paypal for over ten years should also know that if you don't respond to a dispute then the case is automatically awarded and all money returned to the person who filed the dispute.

VGW does not respond to any disputes. Money is always returned to the person who files the claim.

Nice try though

That is the primary point. VGW/Global does not provide any proof nor do they respond. So you proved nothing other than me being right.

Proof. Let's have it.

Provide PROOF of your claims, or STOP making things up and pulling them out of thin air.

You're making this up and if you're not give me some reasoning behind why you believe this is true.


Not true at all recently, as of 2014 you need to provide proof that something went wrong with the transaction, if you don't the dispute is closed, shows what you know.

-Hybr1d- and IWishIWas on the next Poker Night in America Grudge Match, Heads up for Rolls!

Who is in?!?!?

New account, possibly made today wants me to provide proof of something. I don't care if anyone believes me or what I say. If they want to recover any and all purchases they made to VGW Holdings they will be reimbursed 10 days later after filing a dispute and escalating immediately to a claim. As far as providing proof to paypal and reasoning for the dispute they can say anything they want because VGW doesn't respond to the claims.

Nobody will put much in what you say because of your whiny history of posts. As I said, you are mainly screaming to make yourself feel better at this time. You are like the guy who gets booted from a bar and then stands outside complaining about it as loudly as possible to people who do not care about your personal agenda. After you have your tantrum you put on a disguise to try to get back in. Quality.

Lots of people like you. Loud voices. No impact.


All the best.

Bull****.

Other way around snowflake. You've done nothing but prove to both myself and the forum that you are unable to provide any tangible evidence of any of your claims, and that I am correct.

They are NO active disputes and if there was VGW would respond exactly as I laid out they would and all would be resolved and the scammers would be banned from playing on this site, much like you probably are.


Also you should read through these, you've committed three logical fallacies since the start of our debate, see if you can apply yourself and figure out which they are.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/



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Your bias is showing, you don't like this site so you are trashing their reputation, will boo-hoo cry me a river, nobody cares about your lies and deceit because anyone with a brain understands what you're doing.

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Global is a fantastic site. They payout quickly and I have never had a issue to date. Not once. The Facebook peanut gallery doesn't matter and if they referred the real players to their facebook page it would have nothing but likes and positive feedback.

Also the sweepstakes model works perfectly they aren't in violation of any laws.

Wrong. Players recovered more than $250,000 from disputes.Maybe not much of an impact. But that's hardly me standing outside of a bar shouting. That was more than two months ago. I'm sure that number has grown by multiples by now with increased traffic.

You're actually a criminal and a scumbag.

If I had claims or didn't I'd never post them on a public forum. Idiot.

I'm sure they have hundreds of claims that they once again won't respond to. Unless you work for VGW you wouldn't know that they have NO disputes or not. Idiot.

Criminals= People that return items they purchased. Not how it works.

Link to my old twoplustwo account(The status is by request):
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/374825/

I have another account Hybrid something I made back in 2009 but I forgot the username.

Nice ad hominem, snowflake. What does my account age have ANYTHING to do with you providing proof of your ridiculous claims?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

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Yeah, that's why you instantly signed in to reply to my post as soon as I posted it, literally took you 5 minutes....but go on...


I already explained above why this absolutely is not the case. Learn how to read and stop making things up, you aren't in grade school anymore. Actually come to think about it....maybe you are. You sure as hell act like it.


You have no proof of that statement at all. What-so-ever and will not provide any. You are making that up. They would response because they aren't doing anything illegal and would save thousands.

Genuine question.

Did you mom drink while she was pregnant with you?

Annnnd....your proof of this is where exactly?

You know damn well it isn't a return as nothing was wrong with the item. CRIMINAL SCUM.

Actually. They advertise themselves as a gaming site. Gaming can be interpreted as gambling. No different then how B+M casinos are considered casino gaming corporations.

If you bought gold coins thinking you were depositing to gamble/play poker then the item is different then what you purchased. Once again, Gold Coins hold no value. VGW is the one that is so kindly giving the sweeps cash away for FREE.

Alternatively, you can get FREE sweeps cash by mailing a postcard. If they didn't provide sweeps cash for free then they wouldn't be a sweepstakes they would be an online gaming site which is illegal.

Lol you just typed this right here on the spot.

Look at you dude, still pulling **** out of your ass.

So, you are either not getting the gold coins you purchased and the free $weepsCash and there was something faulty in them or you are trying to con the company out of money. Obviously, it is the second.

You spell out an act of fraud in a public forum and offer to assist others in doing the same. I hope they refer it to their US attorney and get a court order to have 2+2 reveal your identity, and press charges against you. Great character traits, sleaze and stupid.