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12-18-2018 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by IPlayNLHE
Getting back into poker and was interested in GP and found this and read the first 5 pages. It was pretty interesting but kind of turned into a circle jerk of a couple posters. Since this thread made it to this many pages I have to kindly ask if anyone can summarize what happened in here?
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Does GP now have official RNG certs?
Yes.

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Why did PayPal pull out?
Don't believe GP was forthright about why they stopped using Paypal. GP never said that Paypal "pulled out." It was apparently a GP decision.

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Did anyone ever get a sample of more than 30 hands showing people with less than 10% equity were winning too much?
Evidence is largely non-existent in this thread.

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Has OP abandoned this thread?
OP hasn't posted in over a year. But many riggies of his ilk are providing plenty of comic relief that many of us need to cope with this rough and tumble world.

Last edited by lagtight; 12-18-2018 at 09:41 PM. Reason: botched my answer to last question
12-18-2018 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Here goes:

Yes.

Don't believe GP was forthright about why they stopped using Paypal. GP never said that Paypal "pulled out." It was apparently a GP decision.

Evidence is largely non-existent in this thread.

OP hasn't posted in over a year. But many riggies of his ilk are providing plenty of comic relief that many of us need to cope with this rough and tumble world.
another quad heavy and funny site, PPPoker , is "certified" as well. another bull****e site, WSOP play money (where you buy fake chips), is "certified" too. i'm 100% sure we can trust these upstanding certifiers , who cant make much money at all as a business, in a world where Trump is president of the United States. LOL!!!!!
12-18-2018 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ouirly
another quad heavy and funny site, PPPoker , is "certified" as well. another bull****e site, WSOP play money (where you buy fake chips), is "certified" too. i'm 100% sure we can trust this in a world where Trump is president of the United States. LOL!!!!!
I'm not saying that anyone should or should not trust Global. It's a personal decision. I have yet to personally see solid evidence that I shouldn't trust Global.

Having said that: "Play at your own risk!"
12-18-2018 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
I'm not saying that anyone should or should not trust Global. It's a personal decision. I have yet to personally see solid evidence that I shouldn't trust Global.

Having said that: "Play at your own risk!"

I just risked 15bb on the bubble with AK and got snapped by KJ (9bb) and then QJsuited overcalled with (30bb)


flop QQQ turn K

QJs name was "babycakes" and was 6x opening . haha!


crazy stuff here
12-18-2018 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ouirly
I just risked 15bb on the bubble with AK and got snapped by KJ (9bb) and then QJsuited overcalled with (30bb)


flop QQQ turn K

QJs name was "babycakes" and was 6x opening . haha!


crazy stuff here
You just convinced me to deposit.
12-19-2018 , 01:36 AM
Been playing ignition for 2 years and live for 5. Switched to global a few weeks ago because I've heard its soft and the sng schedule is better. Dont care what anybody says. The RNG is ****ed, the amount of suckouts and runner-runner flushes/straights/quads is unreal. Have been on both ends of it, won 1500 my first 2 weeks constantly coolering people with ridiculous runouts, had my suspicions that it wasnt right but kept playing because I was winning. Started to see the tide turning the other way (not variance, I know variance and this is NOT VARIANCE) so I withdrew 90% of my roll. Still play some here and there and the suckouts continue to be unreal. **** is 100% fradualant but of course well never know because they don't release hh's.
12-19-2018 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by rileymadison2345
Been playing ignition for 2 years and live for 5. Switched to global a few weeks ago because I've heard its soft and the sng schedule is better. Dont care what anybody says. The RNG is ****ed, the amount of suckouts and runner-runner flushes/straights/quads is unreal. Have been on both ends of it, won 1500 my first 2 weeks constantly coolering people with ridiculous runouts, had my suspicions that it wasnt right but kept playing because I was winning. Started to see the tide turning the other way (not variance, I know variance and this is NOT VARIANCE) so I withdrew 90% of my roll. Still play some here and there and the suckouts continue to be unreal. **** is 100% fradualant but of course well never know because they don't release hh's.
I believe you
12-19-2018 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by rileymadison2345
Been playing ignition for 2 years and live for 5. Switched to global a few weeks ago because I've heard its soft and the sng schedule is better. Dont care what anybody says.
So, why should we care what you say?

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The RNG is ****ed, the amount of suckouts and runner-runner flushes/straights/quads is unreal.
I've felt the same way, but almost never see quads.

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Have been on both ends of it, won 1500 my first 2 weeks constantly coolering people with ridiculous runouts, had my suspicions that it wasnt right but kept playing because I was winning. Started to see the tide turning the other way (not variance, I know variance and this is NOT VARIANCE) so I withdrew 90% of my roll.
Since by your own admission you've only been playing on GP a few weeks, why couldn't it be variance?

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Still play some here and there and the suckouts continue to be unreal.
I have that impression, too. But without data it's just a "feeling" on my part.

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**** is 100% fradualant but of course well never know because they don't release hh's.
HH's would be nice, but even sites with HH have claims of fraud. As has been pointed out many times in this thread, if a poker site wants to run a fraudulant operation, they don't need to mess with the RNG to do it.
12-19-2018 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by rileymadison2345
Been playing ignition for 2 years and live for 5. Switched to global a few weeks ago because I've heard its soft and the sng schedule is better. Dont care what anybody says. The RNG is ****ed, the amount of suckouts and runner-runner flushes/straights/quads is unreal. Have been on both ends of it, won 1500 my first 2 weeks constantly coolering people with ridiculous runouts, had my suspicions that it wasnt right but kept playing because I was winning. Started to see the tide turning the other way (not variance, I know variance and this is NOT VARIANCE) so I withdrew 90% of my roll. Still play some here and there and the suckouts continue to be unreal. **** is 100% fradualant but of course well never know because they don't release hh's.
Well, that settles it then.
12-19-2018 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by rileymadison2345
Been playing ignition for 2 years and live for 5. Switched to global a few weeks ago because I've heard its soft and the sng schedule is better. Dont care what anybody says. The RNG is ****ed, the amount of suckouts and runner-runner flushes/straights/quads is unreal. Have been on both ends of it, won 1500 my first 2 weeks constantly coolering people with ridiculous runouts, had my suspicions that it wasnt right but kept playing because I was winning. Started to see the tide turning the other way (not variance, I know variance and this is NOT VARIANCE) so I withdrew 90% of my roll. Still play some here and there and the suckouts continue to be unreal. **** is 100% fradualant but of course well never know because they don't release hh's.
Thought process of rileymadison2345...

"136 pages of similar rigged claims but no one is convinced there is a problem. I know I will write a difficult to read paragraph with anecdotal claims and speeling airers, that will convince them."
12-19-2018 , 11:34 AM
Lmao. Not trying to convince anyone of anything. Was tilted last night after a long session of gross suckouts. That being said, run outs dont feel right and I'm glad I was able to get the majority of my money out before it was all stolen.
12-19-2018 , 11:00 PM
Well, it's good you weren't trying to convince anyone, because you lost all credibility when you suggested that you could tell that it wasn't variance after playing for a few weeks.
12-19-2018 , 11:12 PM
Still think the site is ****ing rigged; still playing on it cause the players make up for it.

That being said it's really gone downhill in terms of game quality past few months.
12-20-2018 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by djz
Still think the site is ****ing rigged; still playing on it cause the players make up for it.

That being said it's really gone downhill in terms of game quality past few months.
Strange. I have had the exact opposite happen to me. I wonder if there is a concept where we could both be experiencing different feelings when at the table, yet it all was mathematically possible?
12-20-2018 , 10:38 AM
I 100% agree with riley madison. I played on global for about 8 months and played a lot. I switched over the summer to another site and i totally agree with his description. You can run hot or not but either way the cards that run out are not the normal math. I've read the arguments on both sides of this long debate. From my own personal experience between the 2 sites mathematically speaking: one seems to be right in line with live poker and one does not. That being said I do acknowledge that there are some very successful consistent winning players on the site...cheers to them.
12-20-2018 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by snowmanvil
my own personal experience
exactly.
12-20-2018 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by splayaa
Strange. I have had the exact opposite happen to me. I wonder if there is a concept where we could both be experiencing different feelings when at the table, yet it all was mathematically possible?
I'm playing PLO not NL so you aren't at my tables =p
12-20-2018 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by djz
I'm playing PLO not NL so you aren't at my tables =p
This makes your complaint about variance even more idiotic.
12-20-2018 , 05:15 PM
Edges are much bigger in PLO so your std dev will often be really low. If anything the fact I play PLO should show I'm much more used to insane runouts and variance....

Still, so many times I'm just like "wtf is this runout" "how does it always come perfect perfect to **** me/him" "these hands are absurd".
12-21-2018 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by djz
I'm playing PLO not NL so you aren't at my tables =p
If your comment is meant as a joke, well played sir.

If your comment is not meant as a joke, you might want to look into chess.
12-21-2018 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by djz
Edges are much bigger in PLO so your std dev will often be really low. If anything the fact I play PLO should show I'm much more used to insane runouts and variance...
This isn't necessarily true. Generally it's the opposite, as the most common thing that contributes to a high edge also increases SD, which is loose players that don't fold often enough.

For obvious reasons SD and edge are not independent, since EV is literally a variable in the SD formula, but they are mostly independent. You can have a sky high SD while crushing the games, or an extremely low SD while crushing the games, or an extremely low SD while being a loser.
12-21-2018 , 06:22 PM
Deposited a few days ago and am up about $100, this site is weird and definitely seems like action flops happen very often, along with perfect ~1% run outs that cause max action such as player 1 turning their gut shot to the nuts only for player 2 to make 2 pair and runner runner the boat. It's a soft site and I'll keep on playing but IDK about future deposits. Feels too much like a slot machine for me.
12-21-2018 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by snowmanvil
From my own personal experience between the 2 sites mathematically speaking: one seems to be right in line with live poker and one does not.
Your experience kinda lines up with mine after over a year playing on GP.

edit: n.b. This is my experience, and should not be construed as a defense of the "GP is rigged" position.

Last edited by lagtight; 12-21-2018 at 11:55 PM. Reason: replaced "observation" with "experience"
12-22-2018 , 12:55 PM
Yeah, Global is much more like live poker.
12-22-2018 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by IPlayNLHE
Deposited a few days ago and am up about $100, this site is weird and definitely seems like action flops happen very often, along with perfect ~1% run outs that cause max action such as player 1 turning their gut shot to the nuts only for player 2 to make 2 pair and runner runner the boat.
Why would a site want to rig the RNG in such a way as to make less money?

      
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