Anyone looking for info, google what qualifies something as a sweepstakes LOTTERY. You will see that the FTC, includes very important language that the contestant cannot improve their chances to win and the winner most be chosen in a certain way. If there is a legitimately certified RNG on global Poker, it exists only on games in which the prize is Gold Coins. Otherwise it doesn't qualify as sweepstakes at all. But, of course, it does. Sweepscash games are fixed/rigged games just as they are mandated to be. Global Poker isn't global, why not? Could it be that their sweepstake model best, or most clearly, applies to US and Canadian precedent? This piss ant Aussie organization is not a group of legal and entrepreneurial masterminds. Not even criminal masterminds. They have discovered no loophole that makes real online poker, with legitimate RNG legal. They are simply employing a sweepstakes lottery masquerading as poker. Their legion of fake-news, poker news sites, and message board posters are bought and paid for. Bought and paid to commit a fraud against starved American Poker "fish," who, like myself, may have been gullible enough to take them at face value on their genius system. Bought and paid for to tell lies that they know they can't tell and continue their scam. All of the official language and terms of agreement, evasive secrecy from official representatives are nothing more than tactics to delay swell of negativity that will one inevitably lead to an FBI investigation and ultimate seizure of the site. While the tactic of paying others to commit fraud for you may sound like yet another brilliant exploitation of a legal loophole, it isn't. Not even close. This puts them squarely in the potential crosshairs of federal criminal prosecution under the RICO Statute. Oh btw, this activity is exactly why RICO exists. The Aussies may be immune from such prosecution but their American cohorts are not. I don't know, maybe they are. But rest assured this is nothing more than any other sweepstakes lottery in a form that looks like poker, even if it doesn't play like it. But how many "fish" know the difference? All they know is that their 90/50 VPIP/PFR bingo style is paying dividends and are finally beating those guys who have studied 6-max strategy and use and longterm EV strategy assuming that strategy can work. The best way to increase EV on Global is NEVER FOLD. NASH EQULIBRIUM is push/call/check, just don't fold.

What did I just read?

Its not very eloquent. Probably chalk full of punctuation and grammatical errors. The jist is that legitimate online poker games, where the prize is money, have been deemed illegal time and time again through multiple pieces of legislation by the United States Congress. Loopholes that would allow legitimate online poker where the prize is money(or can be converted to money) have long since been closed by organizations like the FCC and FTC. Violators have been investigated and prosecuted by the United States Federal government. While it seems unlikely in the current climate that this level of scrutiny, Global is asking for trouble by trying to have its cake and eat it too. There may need to be a federal investigation into the relationship between Global, who refuses to legitimize itself as anything other than what is in its terms and condition show. What those terms and conditions show, is that Global is not poker, rather a form of lottery using a well established and defined model known as sweepstakes. Global Poker in and of itself is very legal. They are very careful to play dumb and not make false claims. but so many others not officially affiliated with them have been staunchly defending them by making false claims meant to defraud the customers since day 1. Why? If its because Global is paying them, that is called racketeering. This is subject to criminal and civil litigation under the RICO Statute...Get it yet??

You have some if the info correct, but missing important parts.

You cannot buy $weepsCash in any fashion. The sweepstakes laws you discuss in part apply. You purchase, not deposit, gold coins. They give $weepsCash away. You can win $weepsCash and cash out right away, as per sweepstakes rules, a contest with no commitment. You can also opt to play a game of skill with your $weepsCash, nothing to do with sweepstakes laws. So, the model is 100% compliant and it is most definitely a tap dance around the laws in the US. Could the laws change? Yes, but then lotteries, McDonald's monopoly game, etc...would all file suit.

They were raising money to come public and we looked at investing in it. I run a fund and we sought legal opinion from our attorneys as to whether or not we could invest in it. As an example, we could not invest in a typical poker network. We received legal opinion that it was okay to invest in VGW. Further, they have filed with the SEC their business model. The Feds would know if it violated their own laws.

Did you get go ahead from the FTC? The SEC is there to protect you as an investor. The FTC is there to protect the consumer. These agencys are in stark disagreement on a litany of issues. They are the ones concerned when you use terms like sweepstakes to refer to anything other than a game of chance. A game with any element of skill must be labeled a contest. An online poker contest is illegal. The FBI are the ones concerned with enforcement of illegal interstate gambling online. You better hope its pure sweepstakes chance. But apparently you know the inner workings and are confident. Good luck. At the very least, incorporating poker and using the legal jargon that is used in conjunction with the marketing campaign, is very likely to be viewed as an attempt to confuse and confound the consumer which is also against FTC regulation.

This is all solved by not keeping a lot of money on the site. EZ GAME.

Actually, I don't know the inner workings. What I did though was assign it to people that could find it out and be held responsible for giving me the approval. I get it's not as valid as the people posting throughout the thread with big time feels and all, but it's all I could do. We were concerned over legality. In hindsight, maybe we should have polled public forums.

If that's the way you feel, go try and file papers with the SEC allowing you to raise money from the people they protect with an illegal business. Let me know how that works out for you. The SEC, believe it or not, has to abide by the federal laws they are part of enforcing.

People that don't like a network, warn everyone else about it consistently or continue to play on it should take their own advice and not play on it. No one else cares how anyone feels and none of the claims actually matter. One day, someone with unsubstantiated claims will be right about something and yell out, 'see?? I told you!!'.

Or, since many have figured it out with strategies like never fold, 90/70 stat lines, always fold AA preflop, etc... can just believe their own nonsense and make the big bucks by doing just that. No one has to like Global or any other site. This thread is old and filled with claims (comedy) of Global's imminent demise. Every couple of months a new group of first time posters attempt to warn or enlighten everyone else. Naturally, there is zero actual proof and they get butthurt when asked about having any.

Anyone can seek legal opinion on whether the model is legal or not. Why don't you ask someone that has more knowledge and ability to provide an answer for you vs someone with feels. It's like a sort of losers club looking for birds of a feather. If the hand histories were provided, then the cry would be they don't prove they are legit, either. Nothing that could be shown will change the naysayer's mind. They just have an innate knowledge that cannot be verbalized or documented with evidence. At least we can all take it that they care so much that the very few of those with ESP feels are willing to join 2+2 and only post about those bad networks like Global, PP, etc...

You are safe here for now, because thus far the "No Sheeple, No Worry" clause has been in effect, that being when a rando posts a manifesto, but refuses or neglects to use the word "sheeple" - that manifesto cannot be taken seriously.

If and when some of these guys who have the gifted insight to see the hidden truths AND they use sheeple - then you have to rethink your approach of the get legal advice from actual legal experts thing you opt for.

this is the best post in this thread. and im not just saying that because i posted it

come on guys- not even one lol ?

Apparently writing obsessive posts about me, and then replying to yourself about those posts does not count as a reply to me, so you are ok in that regard.

You also have a big fan in yourself, so that's a start. Your next goal should be to write a post that a different human remembers.

Do not reply to this post. Just reply to yourself again.

All the best.

pretty funny, but overshadowed by this quote by iburydoscocaroches:

"I think i played against you weak tight nit. Usually guys who get married their personality adapts to that level."

This blew my mind. Before today I had no idea that the act of getting married changes your poker style to weak-tight nit. Damn magical witch women.

PistolPete -- nobody cares about your ramblings, you fake-ass lawyer.

I have missed the majority of the previous discussion since I just joined and haven't back read from the beginning. But what I don't understand about your argument is the following: If it is rigged then there are obviously people that are aware of this as they are involved in it. As is human nature, people get greedy or just plain have arguments and change sides/stances all the time. Wouldn't someone who is involved in this "rigging" have come forward with legitimate evidence and exposed this "rigging" by now? Look, I'm sure there is going to be some sort of collusion by players that are smart enough to beat the system; but you are going to have that in any business where money is at stake. But from GP's perspective, what reason do they have to "rig" things. I mean whether you win a tournament or I win a tournament doesn't hurt or help their business. But what would hurt their business is people accusing them of rigging things and deligitimizing the game of poker. Hope that all makes sense.

I believe his theory (and it's not a new one by any stretch as this sweepstakes debate has happened many times before in this forum) isn't that the rig/fake RNG is done to benefit the site financially, but that sweepstakes laws means they legally can't offer a legit RNG.

This belief requires some mental gymnastics, to say the least. I don't think I've ever seen a sweepstakes where it wasn't very clear how it worked and what the odds were; something that is of course required by law. According to this theory, apparently Global is able to both offer a sweepstakes whose results are decided by random chance rather than players' cards, and done in such a way that it satisfies legal authorities that it's a sweepstakes by this definition and at the same time deceives players into believing that it isn't. Following perceived requirements WRT how winners are chosen while at the same time ignoring those that require transparency about how winners are chosen.

The sweepstakes applies to the gold coins, hence you buy gold coins. You can win a trivia contest on FB for $weepsCash and then decide to cash out or use the $weepsCash to enter a game of skill, poker. No purchase necessary, no ability to increase your chances of winnings, and random winner chosen. All met by their trivia questions which award $weepsCash. As per sweepstakes law, you must be able to withdraw it with no further involvement. You can also choose to use that fugazy money and play a game of skill to increase your winnings.

Well, tell him that, not me.

Lol, I read it as....I believe his theory. The long parentheses threw me off. Oops

Hahaha, rereading it, I see it now. My excessive wordiness gets the better of me sometimes.

Hilarious

Bobo, how would 1 not feed him? He camps in the RNG thread for Global like it's his personal toilet. Anytime someone drops their mini loaf of rng jibberish he has to chime in on why they are wrong... even though he doesnt play and supposedly doesn't care. At this point he isnt adding anything to this particular forum. Can he just be banned from the RNG forum. He doesnt even provide a balanced voice of reason. Just non stop 1 sided propoganda machine that politely? berates.

I feel monty is basically moderating the thread on his own, well said DD. I feel he is trying to control the narrative for his own perceived best interest, that being that everything is on the up and up because he says it is. God forbid anybody question anything, the great and powerful Monty will set them straight?

As far as his bragging post thanking people for padding the wallets of him and his horses and business partners (used to be and probably still is Colin Moshman if anybody was wondering) seemed a bit like sociopath to me perhaps I'm wrong. Im surprised that one didn't get any comments. Of course if anything was incorrect, immoral or just plain wrong I'm quite certain he was kidding, but anything that was true and useful or helpful was honest. At this point you're embarassing yourself Monty and if you want to keep it up i'll keep providing some background info when you try to continue to control the narrative, I know it's your job but...

Side note, when I played for Global Staking (yes that's what it was called been around long before GP poker) for a couple years I don't think I was ever labeled a riggie nor did I really question anything regarding variance other than standard expectations and deviations. I played on Itops and BCP for them fwiw. I didnt work with Monty directly since I played stts, he manages cash players and maybe some mtt guys but I think cash mainly.

What I would really like to know is more about Monty's stable's play on GP. I'm sure it'll be hard to tell if he's serious or trolling, which is how he likes it I think, it's fun! With no hh's tracking cash players results could be done with that google extension that usage of is "frowned upon" by GP TOS but also probably undetectable and not ban worthy since people report using it frequently in here. Idk if that extension also gets screen names, if so I'd imagine the data is being used to study player tendencies and adapt a strategy to best exploit as such. I do know that Global Staking has/had a really tight business model, low risk for them and good for the horses too. In the past they would not have allowed any kind of breach of TOS or a situation where all backed players data isnt available basically eliminating any need for trust or possibility of deception. Im curious if changes in the industry have caused a policy change for Monty/global staking, or the player pool on GP is so soft relative to other "opportunities" that its too good to pass up? I suspect that it may be. That is my read on the situation and reason for Monty's "strange" behavior itt imo.

All the best!

Finally a couple posts that were actually amusing to read, well done. The other guys here are kind of interchangeable, so I forget who has which silly theory after a while. I will write this reply to you, Floki.onGP, because I suspect you will actually read it. I am not too worried about whether the interchangeable riggies read it or not, so they can just pass on it and talk about how I write too much for their heads.

I appreciate you offering some of my background, albeit in a weird way, however, I actually went into greater detail about much of what you said in my earlier long winded post. As to some of your more specific points, I did work with Collin from about 2007ish until 2011 or 2012, and that company was called Team Moshman. While I have done some business with him since (he is actually quite a good person to do business with), he has pretty much been out of this industry for several years. He has done some other ventures since, and he along with myself and some others I work with bought into crypto currencies at shall we say a very good time, although the funny thing is we all bought for very different reasons.

The amusing thing about that is if you research some of the threads about the crypto coins here(mainly bitcoin) from years ago, you will see me having a bit of fun with some of the people who were obsessed about them due to the political reasoning behind them. Like with online poker, in the end I am concerned with income, and while I did not share the libertarian fervor that many in these forums did, I did recognize an opportunity where a lot of people are going to buy into a concept and that will likely create a wave of support, until a time when it inevitably bubbles (and pops) or levels out, so the irony is that while I was having fun with some of the bitcoin crazies (think I called them Bitcoiniacs) I was buying them at the same time. Similarly when I organized a large casino bonus whoring group in the mid 2000s for a few years, I and others in the group would post about how rigged the rooms were to try to prevent others from playing there to discover all the free money that was available. Perhaps that slowed the inevitable end of that era, or perhaps it was just a mental exercise on our part, but in theory I was a riggie back in those days .

You mentioned how you worked with us on Intertops and or BCP. Those were very busy times after Black Friday, and I mentioned in my previous post that that created an opportunity to adapt, and we did by charging into a couple of US rooms, those being the two rooms. We even won some contest we did not know about with Intertops for the most signups/deposits for the year after Black Friday.

http://www.igamingbusiness.com/inter...don-and-vienna

Now, one thing you did say that I did appreciate was the following,

Now, you may find some people will think I asked you to post here (welcome to the land of conspiracy - you can join Bobo and me at the Overlord meeting), but I cannot stress enough how true this was and is, because one character trait (of perhaaps a few ) that at times annoys others is that I am a vehement believer in doing all things above board.

When I caught a player multi accounting on BCP that we were backing, I immediately notified BCP and they locked his account, and I posted a negative feedback later that same day. Cost me about 500-1000 bucks. Similarly when a player on Stars was caught multi accounting earlier this year, that was posted in the negative feedback thread immediately.

I was offered a ton more money to work with Lock than I was with BCP. I chose BCP because of how they ran their business at the time (which changed somewhat since their sale a couple years ago - I was not shocked to see the current owners booted from 2+2). The money from Intertops was not that fantastic, but they were willing to work with us in how player transfers could happen (they usually have insane restrictions), and I had done business with them for years and knew them to be a well run company so we went all-in with those two, and those are choices I am happy with, because they reflected how I prefer to do business.

As to what you call the "narrative" of this thread - I would suggest to you that you step back and recognize what threads like this actually are, as in they are essentially nothing. Forums and room based sub forums create them as containment threads to do just that - contain the whining. When was the last time anyone say an admin from Global post here? Was it even in 2018? They don't read this thread, why would they. Has a single post from this thread ever had an impact with how Global does business? I challenge anyone to find an example within the 3,000+ posts. Threads like this are a smaller version of the BBV forum - people whine, others make fun of the whiners, repeat. That's all, nothing deeper, and no impact on the industry whatsoever.

Now the irony is, I have on a few instances suggested to some people ways to pursue a genuine issue (downloadable HHs for instance) by creating new threads and dropping all riggie crazy, but to date no one has bothered, so nothing gets done. In contrast when I and some others spent some time and got an organized effort to question the rake Stars was charging on DoNs at the time ( I was backing a lot of guys in them at different levels - with again no collusion (not that they would want to anyway)) - we got them to reduce the rake, given it was a faster format.

As to you wondering about my stable here, I admit I am enjoying all the fun theories being tossed around, including yours, but my general rule of thumb is this - I will talk a lot more about an aspect of my business years later when the industry has changed and it is no longer current, however I will say that a room like Global definitely has some opportunities associated with it.

Hope you are doing well otherwise. No idea who your coach was half a decade ago or so when we worked together, but odds are that coach moved on as things always change. If it was Clint or Andy -- they have been gone for years now. Hope your time with us was productive, and best of luck on Global. If you lose a big pot, Ill try to not have a piece of it

All the best.

By not replying to him.

Sounds like a lot of people who post in these threads - both those who have doubts about the RNG, and those who don't.

I think the reason he stands out even more now is that he's just about the only "shill" left that can be bothered to reply on a regular basis.

Not sure how he moderates or controls the narrative. He has no moderating powers, and he's one guy - how on earth would he control the narrative?

someone needs to pay monte for the thousands of hours he spends here and the millions of pages he types up about stuff he “doesnt care about”