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10-21-2018 , 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Duke0424
Do0rDoNot claims that anyone who disagrees with him is a shill

Is it possible that Do0rDoNot is a shill for a competitor poker site??????

I can play the accusation without proof game too

I sent you a PM wondering that, so it must be true.

By this point nobody even believes his beat whines, let alone claims of PMs and super user detection powers. The dude is just a mundane liar and whiner, nothing more, and all the hands he claimed happened to him in one day (989-1 things, nut flushes losing to sf multiple losing to quads) definitely never happened - he is not even trying to sound plausible any more in his need to vent and whine. If he ever said his user name, then likely we would find that all the higher buy in regs have never heard of him, let alone sent him PMs.

Like many small stakes riggies before him, he eventually turns a thread like this into his personalized whine blog.
10-21-2018 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Do0rDoNot
Top set got outdrawn by rivered quads 3 times today, one of them was runner runner quads for an underpair

Also got it in nut flush over baby flush with a straight flush blocker and got one outered...duh duh duhhhhhhhh, on the river again.

The odds of that happening in a couple thousand hand session are astronomically low.

Anyone who thinks this site is legitimate is a shill or worse.
You're 100% certain the site is not legitimate; yet, you continue to play on it. Anecdotal feels does not conflate to proof of anything.

Someone would need an AI program to infiltrate the software and know what the future cards would be.

Just curious, why don't you actually post any proof or concrete evidence? I flopped top set of Kings, check shoved and was snap called by A/4. Runner runner for a straight and I was crushed. The next two hands I had A/K sooted and AA. I lost both of those too. That would be claim of rigginess in this thread, except....happened on PokerStars. Three hands in a row where I was a heavy favorite pre and post flop and had a 0% winrate. Rigged?
10-21-2018 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Duke0424
Yup - he had an opportunity to show us PMs from high-stakes PLO players who supposedly agree with him; instead, he posted more bad beat stories.

If you have high-stakes PLO players who agree with you and can easily prove it, why would you continue to post anecdotal bad beat stories?

I suspect he didn't think it through when he claimed to have those PMs. When confronted for evidence, which can be easily shown with a couple of screenshots editing out usernames/any other private info, he conveniently ignores those asking for the evidence that he claims to so readily have.

This is a guy who responds to every single post that calls him out on his pointless anecdotes, but he of course conveniently doesn't respond the one time that he can actually provide something tangible that could further his case.

Do0rDoNot - nobody gives a **** about your bad beats, lets see those PMs from the high stakes PLO players who agree with you.
Of course I'm not going to do this. I respect people's privacy who sent private messages. They did so probably to avoid the mob of hyenas screeching that the site is fair and calling them rigtard idiots. If I did post screenshots with names covered up, I'd just get a bunch of screaming hyena shills claiming I sent them to myself or something.

This is quite bizarre actually that so many people just crawl out of the rotten woodwork to address 'silly bad beat claims' whenever they come up. It's almost like those 3 one outers and one perfect perfect that crawled out of the woodwork to take 400bbs off me yesterday.
10-21-2018 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by a dewd
You're 100% certain the site is not legitimate; yet, you continue to play on it. Anecdotal feels does not conflate to proof of anything.
Ya I still win pretty significantly.


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Just curious, why don't you actually post any proof or concrete evidence? I flopped top set of Kings, check shoved and was snap called by A/4. Runner runner for a straight and I was crushed. The next two hands I had A/K sooted and AA. I lost both of those too. That would be claim of rigginess in this thread, except....happened on PokerStars. Three hands in a row where I was a heavy favorite pre and post flop and had a 0% winrate. Rigged?
Because the shills would just find their way around it, unless it was absolute proof. I don't have absolute proof right now.
10-21-2018 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Do0rDoNot
Because the shills would just find their way around it, unless it was absolute proof. I don't have absolute proof right now.
You don't even have evidence right now, other than your own anecdotes. Without presenting evidence you come off as annoying and whiney. People have given you ways which you could present evidence if you wanted to, but you don't really want to prove to us that Global is rigged. It is enough for you that you are convinced it is and your only reason to come here is to complain about it.

Frankly you seem extremely susceptible to bias and ignorant of the effects it has on you. If you really want to convince people that Global is rigged and don't just come here to whine about it, design an experiment that is reproducible and immune to bias. For example, if you think quads are too frequent on Global for it to be random, figure out how many expected quads you should see over a pre-determined sample size. Play that number of hands and record the actual number of quads you see with evidence that you played those hands, and figure out the probability of experiencing the observed number of quads. From there you can use Baye's theorem to estimate the probability that the site is rigged, rather than you just being unlucky. This is just an example of a procedure you could follow. I'm sure if you are willing to put in the time to run an experiment, someone here would help you design one. There should also probably be a pre-agreed condition that must be met for the experiment to confirm rigging so you don't just waste your time only to have your results explained away by variance. Our standards of evidence are clearly much higher than yours.
10-21-2018 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Do0rDoNot
Ya I still win pretty significantly.
Then why the **** are you going out of your way to potentially scare people away from the site?
10-21-2018 , 06:55 PM
this dude is a straight up whore
10-21-2018 , 07:39 PM
Lol you think this thread is infested with rec players who are going to be scared from the site or what

They don't give a ****
10-21-2018 , 07:53 PM
That is one of the few things you are right about - literally nothing said in threads like this has any impact whatsoever to the industry or anything else. Nobody will be swayed by anything you say, so I have no idea why people even think that should be a concern.

That said, it is pretty obvious you are lying about most of your complaints at this point. I played a ton of Omaha in the days, and you see more crazy stuff in a day than I saw in months, and yet you can never document any of it ever (even with suggestions of streaming your sessions to prove things), and you seem to be the only one who sees all this crazy at the Omaha tables, when it is so blatant that everyone should be posting actual hands and videos if it was real. You are now somehow claiming that all the regs come to you, based on you posting anon on a message board, because - logic?

You already realized one of your previous paranoid delusions was just a "coincidence" and you seemed to have given up on that donk super user thing you were yammering on about a couple weeks ago, so now its "I see dead people and quads" time for spooky October. You will have a new theory next month, perhaps with a festive Thanksgiving theme, and by then you will likely be getting PMs from the original Pilgrams among other people, since they will know you will keep all their details secret. Santa will wait until December to message you.

Come on already, lie better in the future so you can at least be more entertaining!

All the best.
10-21-2018 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
That is one of the few things you are right about - literally nothing said in threads like this has any impact whatsoever to the industry or anything else. Nobody will be swayed by anything you say, so I have no idea why people even think that should be a concern.

That said, it is pretty obvious you are lying about most of your complaints at this point. I played a ton of Omaha in the days, and you see more crazy stuff in a day than I saw in months, and yet you can never document any of it ever (even with suggestions of streaming your sessions to prove things), and you seem to be the only one who sees all this crazy at the Omaha tables, when it is so blatant that everyone should be posting actual hads and videos if it was real. You are now somehow claiming that all the regs come to you, based on you posting anon on a message board, because - logic?

You already realized one of your previous paranoid delusions was just a "coincidence" and you seemed to have given up on that donk super user thing you were yammering on about a couple weeks ago, so now its "I see dead people and quads" time for spooky October. You will have a new theory next month, and by then you will be getting PMs from Moses and Jesus among other people, since they will know you will keep all their details secret.

Come on already, lie better in the future so you can at least be more entertaining!

All the best.
If you're so certain that nothing strange is going on at Global why do you feel the need to respond to every single post from myself, who you claim am a losing player, a liar and provocateur and who is suffering from paranoid delusions? That would be akin to following around a homeless bum who thinks he's Jesus and trying to prove to him he is wrong.

"Don't you see, smelly bum? You just can't be Jesus. Don't you see? Why don't you see????"

Why the hell would anyone do this unless they were themselves emotionally invested in the outcome of getting him to stop being deluded? The question for you is: why is it that you care so much, Monteroy?

I'm not going to provide any evidence at all right now, I have already said why: I'm not going to give you, a paid shill, an opportunity to debunk pieces of individual evidence one by one. That's actually the strategy that holocaust deniers use. They look at pieces of evidence in a vacuum and then say the whole thing didn't happen because no one piece of evidence is strong enough for the larger claim.

But that's not how evidence works. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consilience

As for my earlier claim about notes access, I have still not seen the player I mentioned. He has completely disappeared. This makes it pretty likely that I was correct, and he left when he saw the note I took on him.

Let's look at what we do have:

1) Many claims from players of all calibers including high stakes winners that the runouts seem weird
2) Many claims from players of all calibers including high stakes winners that there are certain losing styles winning huge amounts of money over large samples
3) Claims and tests that players leave the site when notes about their suspicious play are taken on them
4) Strange play happening on a consistent basis that independently would suggest access to hole cards or runouts
5) The site itself refuses to provide hand histories, and will ban anyone who gets them

No one piece of evidence here is enough, and a lot of it is conjecture (though not all of it) but taken together it is highly suggestive that there is indeed something going on. It's just impossible to say exactly what at this point.

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10-21-2018 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Do0rDoNot
If you're so certain that nothing strange is going on at Global why do you feel the need to respond to every single post from myself, who you claim am a losing player, a liar and provocateur and who is suffering from paranoid delusions? That would be akin to following around a homeless bum who thinks he's Jesus and trying to prove to him he is wrong.
You are suffering from paranoid delusions (though not ones to the level that have you yelling at brick walls on the streets - at least I assume). You have a new paranoid theory every couple weeks.

I have no idea if you win or lose, and that is a non issue to me. You probably win at the micro stakes you play against very weak opponents, because anyone who is aware of 2+2 will have some idea of poker, and for now that should be enough at Global, although in time that will no doubt change.

Your latest claim is that you, and apparently only YOU, see all these runner runner quads and straight flushes every day (which - what is even the point of that rig other than being as obvious a rig (that does nothing) as possible), and you have more hard core regs sending you secret messages (because you matter apparently) than you have girlfriends in Canada who nobody met.

Come on dude, you just like a lot, and sometimes you get carried away as you whine, which is dreadfully common in this industry ( I have lost count of the people who claim to be the unluckioest players ever when applying for a stake - which is only amusing in that who wants to back the unluckiest humans if luck actually exists...). Add in a dose of paranoia and you have your DNA, it aint too complicated.


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Originally Posted by Do0rDoNot
I'm not going to provide any evidence at all right now
You will provide evidence the same time as all the other riggies - never. Nobody asks you to provide evidence expecting you will do so, because you are lying all the time. I just like pointing out how easy it would be to prove some of your theories to see your reaction. Trust me, I never expect people like you to prove anything - that is not in your DNA.


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Originally Posted by Do0rDoNot
I have already said why: I'm not going to give you, a paid shill, an opportunity to debunk pieces of individual evidence one by one. That's actually the strategy that holocaust deniers use.
Yeah, you whining about fictional bad beats and fake PMs is certainly on the scale of the holocaust. Way to be rational.

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Originally Posted by Do0rDoNot
They look at pieces of evidence in a vacuum and then say the whole thing didn't happen because no one piece of evidence is strong enough for the larger claim.

But that's not how evidence works. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consilience

As for my earlier claim about notes access, I have still not seen the player I mentioned. He has completely disappeared. This makes it pretty likely that I was correct, and he left when he saw the note I took on him.
I appreciate you believe this is how evidence works, but in this case what happened was

1) You made up a weird story about a micro stakess donk super user, that apparently you only noticed.

2) You made up a story about how after making up your first story - you made a "note" and then never saw this donk super user again

3) You now claim that the combination of (1) and (2) means you must be right, and you have yourself to verify yourself in case anyone thinks your word is not enough.


Dude, you just make up stuff. People do that all the time, just own it and lie better is all I ask so that you can be more entertaining. Since you like extreme comparisons - even the Saudis are lying better than you these days about their embassy behavior.


As to your silly list - most of the items are you just summarizing your own positions (you really do like to give yourself a reference), and the rest are vague and have been said about every online poker room ever without ever being proven (even on sites where all hands are saved). You literally have not said anything that has not been said before about most other rooms, there have even been other quad and royal flush riggies before you. Be less boring. Lie better. Thanks in advance.

All the best.
10-21-2018 , 08:41 PM
Lol why would I make any of this up? For attention? You think all these reports of weird things are just a bunch of people conspiring to defame a site by lying about the goings on there? What's the point of that? Sounds like the delusional one is you.

I win at Global, bigly, so I continue to play there period. My reports of what I have witnessed are totally accurate. I suspect most other people ITT that have reported similar things are telling the truth as well.

Do you think Thay3r and others are all random, lying donks too?

Answer the question Monteroy, why do you care so much what some random lying donks say?
10-21-2018 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Do0rDoNot
Lol why would I make any of this up? For attention?
Sure. Also to vent. Also to serve as a platform for your latest paranoid beliefs. Why do you think you are any different than the tons of riggies before you? People like you lie all the time. You just happen to not be too good at it, that's all, but keep practicing.

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Originally Posted by Do0rDoNot
I win at Global, bigly, so I continue to play there period.
People say stuff to me like that all the time, even though I rarely say anything to them to merit that reply. As I said, anyone who posts on 2+2 should beat the games at Global, so if you win money, and you need to whine a lot as part of your emotional game - then go for it, although your paranoia and need to whine all the time are never going to be a +EV characteristic, whether you win or not at the games.

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Originally Posted by Do0rDoNot
Do you think Thay3r and others are all random, lying donks too?
His posts are quite a bit different in approach than yours. I doubt you will see him cite the holocaust for instance, and I suggest you get him to come here and give you a reference and a vote of confidence in what you are saying - that way you will finally have someone other than yourself as a reference. PM him (assuming he is not one of the dozens of regs who frequently PM you already) and ask him to do that, should be easy, right?

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Originally Posted by Do0rDoNot
Answer the question Monteroy, why do you care so much what some random lying donk says?
I don't care at all what you say, I hope you are not reading that from this chat. I just like messing with paranoid riggies once in a while for fun. Amusing part is many, including you, genuinely believe I get paid to do that - and to that I say - sure, I get paid $10 per post while you get paid $0, guess I win. In reality, nothing said in threads like this matter at all, whether by you, me or anyone else, however your frequent need to "cry wolf" will innately make anything you say be ignored, particularly when you will never provide a single piece of evidence about any of your theories.

Anyway, make your new November theory a good one in a couple weeks. By then you will forget about the quads things anyway.

All the best.
10-21-2018 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Do0rDoNot
I'm not going to provide any evidence at all right now, I have already said why: I'm not going to give you, a paid shill, an opportunity to debunk pieces of individual evidence one by one. That's actually the strategy that holocaust deniers use. They look at pieces of evidence in a vacuum and then say the whole thing didn't happen because no one piece of evidence is strong enough for the larger claim.

But that's not how evidence works. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consilience

As for my earlier claim about notes access, I have still not seen the player I mentioned. He has completely disappeared. This makes it pretty likely that I was correct, and he left when he saw the note I took on him.
A diversity of approaches reaching the same conclusion builds very strong evidence. A bunch of very similar claims which individually are worthless or near worthless do not build strong evidence.

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1) Many claims from players of all calibers including high stakes winners that the runouts seem weird
This is meaningless and does not constitute evidence.

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2) Many claims from players of all calibers including high stakes winners that there are certain losing styles winning huge amounts of money over large samples
I've only seen you claim this. Anyway, it's anecdotal and anecdotes are very weak forms of evidence.

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3) Claims and tests that players leave the site when notes about their suspicious play are taken on them
You're the only one to have claimed this AFAIK, and only anecdotal. It's neither verifiable nor reproducible.

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4) Strange play happening on a consistent basis that independently would suggest access to hole cards or runouts
Anecdotal and you're the one that claimed those instances support that opponents had hole card knowledge, and nobody agreed with you.

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5) The site itself refuses to provide hand histories, and will ban anyone who gets them
That's not evidence, although it's annoying and makes it more difficult to verify/dispute claims.

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No one piece of evidence here is enough, and a lot of it is conjecture (though not all of it) but taken together it is highly suggestive that there is indeed something going on. It's just impossible to say exactly what at this point.
You haven't provided evidence of any value. Different people have explained what sort of evidence would be accepted.
10-22-2018 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Do0rDoNot
Anyone who thinks this site is legitimate is a shill or worse.
I am both a shill and something worse (a Republican).
10-22-2018 , 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
I am both a shill and something worse (a Republican).
I'm just a Republican

Maybe we should send this to CNN, they could claim Trump is complicit in rigging the site.
10-22-2018 , 05:31 AM
Actually, you should claim it after receiving PMs from CNN and Trump. You could add that to your evidence list.

All the best.
10-22-2018 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Do0rDoNot
I'm just a Republican

Maybe we should send this to CNN, they could claim Trump is complicit in rigging the site.
explains everything

now i know why you dont believe in statistics, science, logic, evidence, truth

and also why you're a whore
10-22-2018 , 02:12 PM
"Winning bigly"

Username?
10-22-2018 , 02:49 PM
It's a joke you tools
10-22-2018 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Do0rDoNot
It's a joke you tools
I assure you, everyone is laughing.
10-22-2018 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by splayaa
I assure you, everyone is laughing.
Oooh the snide condescension really rattles me from a paid PR rep. That passive aggressive kind of behavior is distasteful even when teenagers do it.
10-22-2018 , 05:05 PM
Can I be a paid shill, too? How does one get in?
10-22-2018 , 07:10 PM
Why do you guys keep addressing this doordonot idiot?
10-22-2018 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by barney big nuts
Why do you guys keep addressing this doordonot idiot?
Sometimes I'm bored and have nothing better to do.

      
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