Wow that was a lot longer than I thought it was. Must be a super big deal.

PLO

3 players had 4 sets among them by the river

One guy flopped two sets, second guy turned a higher set, 3rd guy rivered the 4th set.

I understand it's possible, it just makes me kinda cringe in disbelief. I see **** like this daily.

Most ridiculous **** I've ever seen except that one time flopped quads got beat by runner runner straight flush

Oh snap I completely forgot some of you people played those funny games where you get more than two cards. My fault.

I agree with all of the riggies who say that "something seems off" on Global. In chat, I often refer to global as "suckout central" after a typical suckout.

I agree with all of the anti-riggies who point out that even with hand histories available, virtually all of the riggies would still be riggies.

I have zero evidence that Global is rigged in any way. It's just a feeling on my part based on playing here for about one year now that suckouts seem excessive by a large margin.

I am a "nitrec." I turned my free $2 into $400 and play just for fun and small profit.

IMO, this thread is the most entertaining thread on the internet.

Hell, I play courchevel/8, 4 cards is nuttin

Yes! well said and I concur with everything. I am a "RegRec" & I also turned my free $2 into hundreds but as soon as they switched to WP cashouts I have not been withdrawing 2X a week like in the past.

I have not noticed more suckouts on the villans end but my problem as of late has been this...forgetting that when there are 4 hearts on the board by the river, and I bet near pot to rep the flush they are calling down with 1 pair no heart. You think I would know better after more than a year. That's my leak.

Then this thread. I start to remember back to the first 20 pages of this being a sweepstakes, and ya gotta be in it to win it, and the winner is predetermined as long as you don't drop out of the sweepstakes. (Fold) Well....that's not working either, haha. Damn riggies and their conspiracy theories got me in their grasp.

Been playing on acr, after 12k hands of PLO, it doesn't feel nearly as rigged.

I have documented proof 100+ times when I flop a set I lose.
EVERY single time mostly toa set makes a boat sometimes a flush. Funny thing is when i'm on the other side of that I NEVER get there. Guess i'm just unlucky?HuH?

Obviously this is only 1 hand, but I did in an MTT hold JcQc vs AA on a TcKcAc with a K turn. I'm just a regular schmo and there's no reason why Global would rig for me (unless you are in which case, thanks?), and it was in a tournament so the rake maximization conspiracy doesn't really apply here. Just seems like an incredible once in a lifetime cooler.

Something else I've noticed over the course of playing probably 200ish hyper sngs is that there seems to be a really high probability of holding the same ranking as another player where the money gets in preflop. Probably seen the same pocket pairs get in against each other 4-5 times over the course of this run, and it seems like once every other table someone has A9 vs A9 or some such thing. Probably just my confirmation bias once I started looking for it but it does seem to be more frequent that it should be. Anybody else noticed this?

Did you record the outcome of every hand where you flopped a set, or just the ones you lost?

Probably both confirmation bias and selection bias.

This is a good example of selection bias. There are many, many ways for something apparently remarkable to happen in a hand. You can not look back after the fact and allow a seemingly remarkable occurrence to rouse your suspicion because "remarkable" occurrences are almost guaranteed to occur over a decent sample.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RsbmjNLQkc

Song about bias.

If they could understand any of this, they wouldn't be using 1 hand as proof that the thing is rigged lol

This is just a mischaracterization of what I said. I specifically said it could happen but that it was odd.

I've personally never seen anything like that in almost half a million hands of PLO. So it's clearly rare.

I saw some very strange things tonight.

1) One guy sat in the table and within 5 hands 3bet preflop with 9743r, bet all in on an A72 board vs. AAxx, turn 5, river 6

2) Sitting with 175 bbs at this point, folded for roughly 50 hands, didn't play a single hand. 3bet an UTG raise in MP with KJ76dss, BTN 4bet with AAKTdss, UTG folds, this guy min5bets and calls a 6 bet. Flop KKJ shoves 10bbs into a 340bb pot and holds.

3) Folds for another hundred hands or so, doesn't play a single hand. Other people in chat start chiming in about how weird this guy is. Opens in CO BTN calls. Flop J77. I called out in chat "watch him show up with a boat + by the river." Bet/calls flop, check calls turn Q, river A guy shows A7xx

4) I take a note on the guy "suspected runout foreknowledge" and he leaves within 2 hands

5) On another table, a different player gets in in preflop with 8872ss vs. AA

Runout : A5388

I don't care what anyone has to say at this point regarding this site. When you can pre-call out a player making a monster just by his bizarre bet actions (and even fish at the table are calling his actions weird), and he does, there is something strange going on. When you can call someones hand by the flop texture/betting patterns and you're right when the cards get turned over before the river, something strange is going on.

Regardless, I still win big at this site but it's almost like my progress is limited by the software. I will have runs where I win a few big pots and then I get into one of these bizarre situations where I lose a buyin to some longshot. Then I win another couple of buyins and then another bizarre hand happens to take back a bit. I've never seen anything like it.

Another update about the guy I previously took a note on. I haven't seen him since I last posted and he was/is one of the regular players that play every day. I took a note on another guy who sat down with 20bbs and ran it up to 1000bbs in a couple hours and haven't seen him since.

This is so ****ing stupid and you are very stupid for even thinking about these things.

You are a ridiculous moron.

Maybe you should consider thinking about how to play your hands instead of preemptively blaming the mother****ing random number generator for your stupidity.

**** you.

"OH MY GOD SOMEBODY PLAYED A HAND BADLY AND STACKED ME. THEREFORE GLOBAL POKER IS RIGGED"

It's roughly 30000000000000000% more likely that that is merely some random idiot fish getting lucky than A NEFARIOUS CONSPIRACY AGAINST ME, SOME RANDO MICRO PLAYER, TO CREATE ACTION HANDS TO RAKE AN EXTRA 1.5bb/100 HANDS.

Nobody cares about your idiotic UPDATES about some rando fish that ran hot for one night.

Nah, I mean, my fault, this guy playing whatever busto stakes that stacked you a few times is definitely potripper volume 2. That's it.

mods delete this thread please

there exist players out there that are somehow, incomprehensibly, more dumb than unsoundpoker et al., and we do not want them to get scared of depositing

Just here to read the Poker12 comments

Of course it's rare. The problem is that you noticed a rare occurrence and commented on it after the fact. There are so many rare things that can happen that collectively rare things happen all the time. If it was double-quads, or SF vs. quads, or getting AAxx 12 times in a session and losing every one your post would have been about that. If you could articulate a specific flaw in the distribution of the board runouts, results of hands, etc. and test it then you demonstrate predictive power, and you'd have a pretty convincing argument that the site may be rigged. Being able to say "rare event X will happen over the next 10,000 hands," and seeing it happen would be MUCH more convincing than "rare event X happened over the last 10,000 hands."

That being said, some events are so improbable that alone they would demonstrate rigging, for example encountering a perfectly ordered deck.

Not remarkable at all.

If he literally VPIP'ed exactly twice with relative trash in 150 hands and made a boat each time, this would be enough to rouse my suspicion. That's more than just rare, I have a hard time thinking about how this could occur through honest play.

If that guy is actually cheating his cover is pretty terrible, though. If I had future card knowledge and lacked the morals to abstain from abusing this knowledge I would easily be able to win heaps without giving a rational person reason to suspect me.

Not remarkable at all.

I think another big thing that gets overlooked is the fact that Global doesn't display percentages on showdown. So I'm willing to bet a ton of these players have no clue how bad they're getting it in, or how bad it is to call 3-bets with garbage like T4/K4o.

True, percentages at showdown don't tell you all the odds, but they are still fundamental odds that players should know to get better. So at other sites, newbies can at least slowly learn what cards are bad to get it in with, but not so with Global. And I highly doubt the GP players take the time to research odds.

And this would explain why there are so many suckouts, because you're having a LOT more people playing going all-in with crap and/or playing crap towards the river.

I'm telling you that's precisely what happened. He VPIPed 3 times in 150 hands. His play was so obviously out of the ordinary that I called out his hand in chat and sure enough he hit a boat on the river



His play was so bizarre that even the fish were questioning it

Nah, that did not happen as you remember. You are looking for patterns, so are creating ones whenever you can. If this guy knew who would win a hand before the cards were dealt (some kind of super user) he would not just wait to play 1 hand every 5-6 orbits when he gets a full house. Makes no sense at all.

Years ago a person in a Stars tourney had about a 5% VPIP for the first hour. Given that I was a bit surprised when he called my 25 BB all-in with 95o (and he won). He then sat out right away. Spooky? Actually when he came back about 45 minutes later he explained he had to leave to "buy his weed" so he figured either bust or double up and live through sitting out. Had I not still been in the tournament, I would not have seen the explanation for his bizarre play that worked out.

When I used to play O8 on Stars, I lost track of the number of times I was told how lucky I was to suckout after getting it all in on the flop vs top set (ooh spooky), even though I was a significant mathematical favorite. No doubt some of the opponents thought it was rigged when they lost a hand where they maybe had 25-30% equity, while thinking they had 80%+ equity. Hopefully some posted in riggie threads with their magical findings, I always wanted to be a super user!

Man, you're such a rational person, you can even see what happened even though you weren't there!

Hmm, he said thoughtfully, whilst stroking his beard. 'Tis very troubling indeed.

Because people like you make up stuff like this all the time. Don't you remember the last theory you had that I doubted. You came back later to say it was actually not correct, but you were of course still spooked.

Your behavior is pretty much standard riggie mode, as seen for many, many years. To date none of their theories or concerns have resulted in anything, so it is safe to go with the math and assume this latest thing of yours will also go nowhere, likely because it is a false memory on your part. Hope that helped explain it, though I know nothing will change with what you believe in, and no doubt you will see all sorts of strange things that spook you in the future, without any actual evidence. If you insist on believing that a super user plays 1 hand an hour to show off his abilities to get full houses (while forgoing easy money in the majority of other hands), then that is your right, although it does not mean you are actually right.

All the best.