Haha.

This sounds like my story.

I stuck it out though, and have contined to win... but honestly have never really trusted the way the action goes at the site. You're not alone. Pleny of people win there, but find the action suspicious.

Global locks down any ability to track hands in any kind of bulk fashion, including even accessing your own complete stats. So, there's really no point in arguing about it all.

The apologists will insist they'd NEVER cheat their users. (You know, like basically every other poker site in history has in some way.)

But but but... they didn't rig the cards!

That we know of... but how would we even begin to test out "sweepstakes poker" to being legit?

Anyway, we know they wouldn't lie to us... aside from all of the lying they've done to us lately.

You probably just suck at poker, brah.

Change name to Bryan777 obviously.

You RNG rigtards are hilarious. Keep the comedy coming.

that"s very derogatory

I'd prefer if you'd call us/them VARIANCE CHALLENGED

You are just a fish, that ran on a heater and is now experiencing a downswing. It's call variance, which is part of poker.

Even though, I've cashed out a ton of times on Global Poker...I still think it's a rigged piece of **** site. Never in my 15 years of playing online poker nonstop...have I seen 10+ quads a ****ing day. PREFLOP jams are hilarious to watch too...they heat up the action by making KK the winner PRE...then 55 is the winner on the flop...then KK wins on the turn....
Many other hands that amuse me as well, but I'm sure you all know that.

"Never in my 15 years of playing online poker nonstop..."

Soooo you're saying you be running a BOT??

It's not Rigged. I suggest you watch this 2+2 poster's video on his latest session on Ignition. A lot of bad beats.. variance can suck short term.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdhMXEGQNXs

I guess the good (?) news is... we won't have to worry about the RNG discussion for much longer, as Global bleeds off users and continues to be exposed as another incompetent at best, fraudulent at worst... online poker "company."

Meh, most of us weren't worried about the RNG discussion anyway.

Yeah, threads like this never matter in the industry. Genuine issues that I and others tried to point out when this site began, such as the instant bankrolls (that would be massively abused) and the potential long term viability of paypal were ignored by riggies in favor of hot topics like whether every all-in is a coin flip (even when one player was drawing dead) and that the cards felt wrong.

The one issue that some riggies brought up (downloadable HHs) never got properly discussed despite several suggestions that that be done in a separate thread, so in the end it drowned among all the complains of too many 2 outers hitting.

Reminded me of Lock Poker in a way when riggies continued to whine about flush draws as that room had not paid anyone for over a year, but in the end that is what riggies and their dedicated threads are about, hence they never matter.

Actually, in fairnes it's been discussed plenty.

It's just that similar to the lack of info about payment processing... Global pretty much gave a hardy #### you to anyone who asked... hiding under the guise of being player friendly.

(Which of course never made sense because ALL gamers in ALL industries want more info, not less.)

So, it probably shouldn't be surprised that the company who told me flat out, "poker is game of luck"... wouldn't think their players might want to study the game.

Or... maybe they have other reasons for wanting to be tight-assed about personal player and card data?

I mean... they pulled the Paypal rug out, comlplete with some child-like lies to the users... so who knows what they're really up to?

Just another entry in the online poker corruption saga. We'll see where it goes from here...

It was whined about a lot, but it was never presented in a proper organized manner that showed it was a genuine issue to a significant part of the player base, and as presented it just became noise like those who went on and on about what a sweepstakes means to support their weird riggie theories.

I will give a different example. Years ago an effort was put forth by the players on Stars to have the rake reduced in turbo SnGs compared to the regular games (this was when they were a very popular format). A lot of people came together and presented a petition explaining their case, and in the end Stars actually agreed and at the time reduced the rake on the faster formats to reflect the quicker nature of them.

Nothing of that type was done here, so while it was no doubt a passion project of yours - there was no sense that downloadable HHs were that important to the bulk of their players. As a company they made a choice to not have them, so until persuaded otherwise (which never happened) - a player could choose whether this site was right for them or not given that dynamic, much in the same way some sites restrict the number of tables or have anon player names.

The rest of your post is pretty much standard vague whining and a parting this whole industry is corrupt moan. Whatever on that.

The reality is that this company was an interesting one (and still is) and it represented an opportunity for a lot of players to make some money, albeit with some general systemic risk. The sustainability of Paypal should have always been a concern for anyone grinding there, and as such they should have been prepared with a backup plan, which includes a poker only bank account (which is also helpful for tax documentation for those who keep records) that does not cause a massive emotional reaction when the details are required at a later time. I suspect very, very dew players have this setup, but those that do are not the ones complaining - they are likely quietly continuing to make money.

I talked ad nauseum about the importance of downloadable HHs, mostly because I think is a huge issue with regards to collusion at PLO and botting being rampant at NL and PLO. Your response was to ask me to flip 1k times or some other novel-length nonsense about how you're Dr. Nick and have some Simpsons quotes for me.

It's possible for a site to be sketchy in many ways.

Still think site is rigged, still playing tons of volume on there with a crazy winrate.

I'm starting to believe IGN rigs their RNG too to suppress winrate. The runouts are so ****ing dumb. I think this youtuber is super good and there's no reason he shouldn't be winning well over 10evbb/100 considering how obscenely soft these games are. Also with such a high winrate your variance will be a lot lower. I know a lot of people whose winrates on IGN are not nearly as high as they should be, including me. Have friend who's HUNL player and winning 7.5bb/100 on IGN for year while 54bb/100 on other sites.

And since all riggies are losing players who want to blame some external factor for not winning...here is my graph from IGN and Global since I started playing PLO online about 6 weeks ago shout out to jnandez. Obviously this isn't the hugest sample. Basically all volume at 1/2 some 100 and 500 also. deleted graph bc tos but u can pm me 15evbb/100 and slightly above that in bb/100 yo.

I would be very curious to see the posts where my suggestion to a general discussion about downloadable HHs is to say flip 1,000 times. While no doubt you believed this as you typed it, I suspect you are muddling a few conversations and context of comments to suit your needs. You know - like riggies always tend to do.

See, while I would have said the longevity of paypal and the abuse of instant bankrolls were more important issues then (and even now), you believe a personalized rig to suppress win rates is in fact the thing to worry about. Guess we will agree to disagree on that, but fortunately for you - you can continue to theorize and test your beliefs as long as the room exists, much like riggies at Lock Poker were still convinced of new/bad player boomswitches existed despite the room not paying a single player for well over a year.

Why they thought Lock Poker was continuing to pay someone to rig software when they were no longer paying players? Who knows. Why you think this site rigs it to cause everybody's win rates to be suppressed (which how can that happen to all players and what happens if multiple equal winning players play against each other etc.). Who knows. Who cares? Nobody really, aside from perhaps you.

Your personalized rig is important for you to believe in, so continue to do so in threads like this, and to be clear - I never said that all riggies lose at poker. Most do and blame a rig for what is really their limitations, but some win. What all riggies tend to have in common is a paranoid personality and the need to whine a lot. You can consider that the next time you lose a hand due to a weird run out that you believe the site did on purpose to harm you. After that you can complain about it here. That is what threads like this are for.

All the best.

I've posted about bots and suspected collusion. I also posted in the cashout thread; giving updates when they switched processors/I requested cashout+received to inform other GP players that worldpay is fine. This is the RNG thread so I'm discussing RNG here. Maybe you don't believe the RNG thread should exist; that doesn't mean you should just ****post.
If I had to guess you've literally written well over 100k words since I started reading this thread sorry if I can't keep the random nonsense about cat videos and Simpsons quotes and asking I do flips with someone straight.

Have no idea what this has to do with anything.

I have no idea what "instant bankrolls" are and I've been playing on the site since last August. Regardless, neither things have been issues as I've cashed out well over 10k since they switched to the new processor.

As a poker pro, and not a FT 2p2 blogger, personalized winrates are extremely important to me, as they literally represent my livelihood, yes.
I played hundreds of thousands of hands on lock/intertops and I never felt the software was rigged. RIP the HD containing my DB and PTR. I was lucky to be able to dump my funds though and not be screwed.

If people were complaining about the RNG and not the lack of payouts than they were seriously misguided I don't know what to say about that. This is GP RNG thread not "site that people were selling at .2 over five years and hasn't dealt a hand since 2015 thread ".

I do have to say it is pretty ****ing strange that you obsess about that thread though though I imagine it's where the last 6 volumes of your novels are located.
I've given many reasons why I think this is the case. I'll rehash them quickly at the end of the post.

Many winning regs care about this issue. I remember back in December someone told me they knew people that stopped playing on GP because of all the BS rng. At the time I thought "lol rigtards" but now I have a lot of trouble trusting the site.

You aren't a part of the poker community, being a member of a forum doesn't make you one...you need to play ****ing hands. So how do you know what people think about the site or care about?

I don't believe any of this nonsense. Stop projecting. Can you win at poker at all? If not just stfu, seriously.

I've said this many times. I don't think the site has a personalized rig. There are certain turns/rivers that really dramatically change equity distributions, this is something you would know about if you've played poker in the last 3 years and heard of PIO. They seem to happen way more often on the sketchy sites. They cause lots of money to go in. Also stuff like AA v KK being dealt at high frequency or AK v AK is good for a site since it just generates rake, with no money being won by the players except the 2% of the time or whatever. You suggested "well then there would be lots of chops with 22 v 22 just AA v AA sticks out in mind" in some post. This shows you have no understanding of poker at all and aren't qualified to be posting about the topic. Or most logically, you're an obnoxious troll posting this from free WiFi somewhere arguing that you shouldn't be kicked out since you bought a bottle of water 8 hours ago.

If two people have 22:
1) It will never be an AIPF that chops unless they're spazzing out
2) If it goes post neither hand will have much equity so it's extremely unlikely much money goes in. Maybe two or three bets max.

The site has an extreme financial incentive to supress winrates/increase people's variance a ton. A reg winning 10-20+bb/100 at a table drains the pool super fast. It's essentially doubling the rake of the table. Also with such a WR big heaters become more common where they win 10-20bi and cash it out and that money is never raked. It's better for the site they win 0-3bb/100 (or some number less than crusher rate) as they will experience more variance, and rake more per dollar cashed out. It also lowers the chances of heaters and increases that of downswings. See: http://www.pokerdope.com/poker-variance-calculator/

There is no logical inconsistency between all of these being true:
1) The RNG on Global and some other sites is ****ed, and suppresses winrates/increases variance
2) There are othere issues with Global as well
3) It's possible to have productive discussion about (2) while still discussing (1)

This could be true about Lock as well. Maybe it was rigged and also not paying out the players. Bringing up their case doesn't strengthen your argument.

Not saying it is Rigged, but I am honestly tired of paying for tourney's and in the first 5 hands having pocket AA's and some goofball shoves in with J8o and knocks me out, and people chasing backdoor flush draws on the flop and hitting on the river. I had a set the other day and a player with A2o with 1 pair re raises me all in and catches runner runner full house. This site seems to have a lot of bad beats, I understand variance but Geez,Time and Time again Is making start to wonder.

Riggies always list their specific riggie concerns (which have a ton of theories, many of which contradict each other) as number 1 on any list. Go figure.

To date not a single riggie has proven any theory (on all the sites, most of which have downloadable HHs to analyze), nor has any ex-employee of the now hundreds of closed sites come out with proof as well. Still, that will never stop the next riggie from seeing that the cards are falling weird and it must be because the site wants them to win less or lose more for who knows what reason.


Definitely, and many of those are very important, but riggies tend to just clump them all in the other or "othere" category listed behind their personalized riggie beliefs which generally earn the #1 spot.




In theory, but riggies tend to have their rigs define their beliefs. You talk about being a pro and win rates being what matters. Sounds good, makes sense. However when I see a person like you going nuts about some silly fictional rig that is in his head, I cannot help but wonder how much that mental game leak costs that player. Note, I do not expect you to think that is a factor since you genuinely believe this site on the fly changes the board on multiple tables in the perfect way somehow to increase your variance/reduce winnings/cause dry mouth/whatever. You know it because you see it after all.

My point about discussion on other topics is that when they are brought up in riggie thread they have nowhere to go, because nothing said in these threads ever matters in the industry. That is why I suggested to those who wanted downloadable HHs to better organize the players in a separate thread devoid of riggie distractions. That never really happened so it got lost among people saying their win rates are being punished as the sites increase their variance and such. This site lost paypal, which was basically multiple kicks to in the groin with how their organization works, but at least they still have time to screw people who flop a set to have them lose to a guy with A2 and a pair on the flop, because that too is important.

All the best.

I don't think the paypal thing matters at all honestly. Don't see anything has changed. The site is sketchy and I'm surprised paypal didn't shut things down earlier.

Some things can't be proven since we don't have access to databases or algorithms. I can't prove OJ Simpson killed Nicole Brown but I believe he did it. There are many similar things I believe without a level of proof rreated by an internet rando.

You literally responded to nothing else in my last post just talk about your riggie meme/ad hominem. Can you even prove you play poker? Serious question if you have any records of playing in 2018.

You also said no one cares about this stuff. Here is a screenshot from a group chat I'm in where another site (pokermaster) being rigged came up. I think the RNG is a lot worse on PM than GP but many pros believe that site is rigged...they can't prove it because they aren't data scientists but part of being a poker pro is trusting instincts.

No doubt you believe your variance riggie theory matters, while this site losing their hub processor does not, but the latter likely has a bit more of an impact than the former. Aside from the comfort in which people were able to move funds, this change also prevents the ease that casual players had in depositing to this site to play, and that will change the player mix as time goes forward. As well, this change highlighted the amateur way small/new rooms behave at times as was seen in the nut worst way they presented this change, and that had an impact on many of their loyal players we well.

Riggies cling to the anything is possible along with asking people to disprove a negative constructs. Just because some things cannot be proven does not mean they have a reasonable chance of being true. I cannot prove that you are not a Lizard Person from Neptune. Despite this lack of evidence, the odds are hardly 50/50 on this. Similarly there have been hundreds of poker rooms (thousands if you include all the skins on networks as individual) over nearly two decades and not a single riggie theory has been proven, and not a single person who worked for any of those companies has come forward with proof of the RnG rig.

In contrast, many online casinos were definitively proven to have games that were cheating the players (you can find a list on casinomeister), so it is not like this type of discovery is impossible.

Essentially, you are not saying prove a single OJ case, you are saying that if hundreds of OJs killed hundreds of people over 20 years that not a single one could ever be proven. That aint how things work.

Your post was all mundane riggie stuff. You see weird cards. You say you have friends who see weird cards. You question how many hands of poker I play (as if that matters), because playing poker as an individual is apparently your only metric of success in this industry (mine is how much money is made). Seen it all before. Yawn.


That is nice that you have a special skype buddy who shares your paranoid approach (although he just seems to be doing a version of a bad beat whine with his action flops thing (which of course costs the sites money)), but in the end nothing said in threads like this ever matter in the industry, and odds are you will not be the first to break that near 20 year tradition either.

You worrying about unproveable ghosts and goblins as you play costs you at the tables. It is a mental game leak. Nothing more, nothing less, but in the end that is your issue to deal with how you see fit.

All the best.

A screen shot of a skype conversation has to be the nut low of any kind even for this thread.

And wtf is a rng 'geared' toward something supposed to mean? It is so clueless to think a poker site has the processing hardware and software power to analyse in real time betting options. There's no gears. Gears change inertia, gears don't make decisions.

The only thing random about this website is what player will be randomly chosen to win each hand.

Screenname: rUeTaMa.
Sustained 100%-120% avg roi at MTT over entire span at global poker.

It’s rigged.
I’ve posted 7 different hands on the Facebook group where I correctly folded KK pre (AA was out). 3 were hand history’s 2 were videos and 2 were screenshots. AA was shown in 6/7 instances for verification and the player claimed he had AA in the 7th in chat but that’s the only one where what I posted didn’t verify AA was actually out.
On 7/4 I won the $33 2r1a 10k (again...yawn) and picked up KK with a 10k stack right before break at 100/200. Told my friend AA was out and should fold but “lol **** it” called anyway and was right. AA was out and held. Back to 4k. Would have been 8/8 on expoit folding KK pre when all the factors for the rigged setup were present.

There are no spots I folded it and AA wasn’t out. There ARE spots I didn’t fold it and AA was out—so I’m not 100% on hero folding KK when AA is out but I am 100% correct the times I’ve folded KK.

The sight runs huge sng losers and cash losers hot in the bigger tourneys. If you have a high roi at MTTs you literally cannot win a meaningful pot at cash games. It steals your money to redistribute thus more churn = more rake.
The site uses and elo like rating system that scores players, most likely based on avg cEV/hand played. It skews the equity in every spot toward the player with the lower rating ...so if you’re a good player Vs a slightly worse reg your 80/20 is like 77/33 but Vs a fish you’re like 70/30. (Also if the worse player has the 80/20 he still gets an equity boost so better player has 12-18% instead of 20%—ever notice when fish has best hand it seems to always hold??)

This elo like rating system constantly self corrects: when you win a pot your rating increases and when you lose one (even if it’s one where you were favorite and had equity shifted to the worse player) it lowers. So you’ll get less equity stolen in your next confrontation than you did before. This is also why the equities run closer to reality between good regs (and also in the higher stakes nightly tourneys as a whole bc it’s mostly regs)

This is the way it’s rigged. The result IS to lower win rates and thus increase churn (more rake)

Some other global stuff:
It almost always doubles most of the short stacks within 2 of the bubble and tends to setup winning regs with hands they know we will get in as “standard” bc we don’t worry about the bubble. This guarantees one +EV player busts and moves the entire fish group still in up pay grades.
If you blind down to almost nothing it almost always delivers a “real hand” in your forced allin bb (you don’t win it any abnormal amount of the time but you almost always get a hand you’d have shoved 10bbs with )

ok, so it is random

It was in response to the claim that no one cares about "rigged" RNG (except for me, according to Monty). It was also a conversation I wasn't participating in about some other site; maybe that isn't clear.