Hand analysis is what got me into this situation. I was asked to analyze hands for someone and I saw a statistically abnormality; therefore, data and math is where I started in this investigation of Global Poker, but I sure did not think it would lead me to where we are now. I though it would just be an issue with a RNG, but what we discovered is that they are not running a poker room at all.

Please understand, there has been a lot of investigating work done in this endeavor.

Yeah I saw your unverified 30 sample size analysis, and as I said - if the rig is that blatant then you and others can exploit it for a ton of money by playing in a manner that works with the system against players that do not know there is this flaw as you believe in the system.

Not sure what else you want said, you are hardly the first riggie to claim a belief from a small unverified sample, that is done all the time on every site that has ever existed.

The key to all of this is to create a specific theory and do a proper verifiable analysis (ideally by someone without an agenda like you and others) and show your evidence.

I certainly think this site not allowing saved hand histories is an issue, because all sites should do that, and I would not play on a site without that feature, although that has nothing to do with all the crazy reasons you and others preach.

I certainly think how they define their model to get around the US laws is a valid issue to discuss, but again that has nothing to do with the riggie nonsense.

All of the riggie stuff - the every hand is 50/50 the gutshots win 82% of the time, the fictional 30 hand analysis where underdogs always win etc are standard beliefs on every site, and they require proper documentation to prove they actually exist, none of which has been shown so far.

Again, that is how the real world works. What you and others choose to believe or obsess over is separate from that, and if it brings you happiness then continue with that hobby. If you or anyone provides actual verifiable evidence then I will be the first to support it.

I don't think that means what you believe that means.

The following is an example of a lot of investigative work:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...highlight=stox

In contrast, you have claimed, without evidence, to have look at 30 hands.

All the best.

We are saying way more than it's rigged, we are saying it's not even poker? Why does everyone keep.saying if it's rigged then just exploit it? Go watch Illusive, not saying he is cheating, but he plays the exact style your are saying that would take advantage of the sweepstakes model that they have here and he.is crushing it. The issue is way bigger than rigged vs straight deal is what we are arguing.

Monteroy: Like I said, thanks for sharing your perspective.

Again, I am not speaking for anyone else, but I am not saying this game is rigged so please do not classify me into that category. And please refrain from using statements like that in an attempt to sway opinions on this topic. Calling me/individuals names to discredit them is not the point of this thread.

Please present the evidence you have to support your position as I have presented the evidence I have to support my position. I have asked for the evidence to be presented, so if you have evidence, please present it here.

It will be interesting to see if you're finally able to respond to this, given it would be the fifth try for me asking the question.

I'd say this would be a pretty good explanation of what I was looking for:

Now there is a name is see and hear alot about on these threads and its ILLUSIVE. I have personaly played against him and couldnt win a hand i could flop nut flush, loose to straight flush, straight up and down runner runner hits bigger straight that didnt seem possible. I dont think he cheats but by spending lots of money he plays with nothing and hits HUGE pots same as THATSRIGHT and a few others. So yes players have figured out a pattern but not in the card dealing but the odds of winning said hand, the hand least expected to win takes it down. And why is this you ask? Simple rake, why not keep 3 players in 1 with nut flush draw and 2 with sets its gonna keep the action going meanwhile guy with nothing hangs in there. Now is this because they are bad players nope. Because they know this is a 90% luck based games leave the other 10% for the chance you get them to fold.
So who's insane here? Everyone who claims pretty close to my findings people who i have no contact seeing the same thing? You ask for proof, id love to have a hand history to show but i dont. But also this site will never have a percentage gauge, being if you saw how much u lost a 99% sure win with you'r quads to runner runner straight flush.
So how do we end the consparacy theories? We stop calling this poker in a sense where we controll any of the out come. I"ve exploited this pattern many times taking my kk67 vs aaqj double suited and crushed my opponent. Then hear how could you stack on that hand? easy cause i know i have equal chance of winning as the next. Just cant be afraid to gamble and put money on the line, ive taken 20 and in min up to 300.00 just by pre flop reraise with anything realy i notticed having a 45 in my hand helped alot for some reason. Now why am i not exploiting this because i accidently used my pay pal credit to deposit it was flagged now all transactions from this site are not accepted. I gave back alot of money and terminated my account because i have no way to withdraw my funds.
But keep telling us we are all wrong, if it help you sleep at night.

Some people have said they have seen him win a lot and also lose a lot. He plays a reckless style. So? There have been lots of people just like that on a lot of different rooms.

If he is "killing it" as you say by exploiting whatever rig you believe in, then what is stopping you from doing the exact same thing? That has been my point - you and the others who propose theories that would be easy to exploit have yet to actually do it! Now add on that you are even suggesting some players are already doing this, so again I ask - what is stopping you?


You said that you believe the game is not being dealt properly, which by definition means it is rigged. Whether you want to distance yourself from some of the crazier riggies or not is secondary, but they are your kin, like it or not.

Let me make this even more clear - I never expect someone like you to ever change their mind, because you are faithful to your belief. I simply point out that if your belief was accurate that you could make a fortune from it, and the lack of a fortune in my opinion is proof that your belief is not real.


As I said - it is very simple. To date none of you have provided any verifiable data analysis. You talked about "extensive investigative work" and I showed you a link of what that really is. Did you read it? If so, how would you compare the work there against your work? His was all math and data, yours is all conjecture.

You can say that people can fly, and I will say I want proof, and my proof that people cannot fly is that to date no human has ever been proven to have the ability to fly.

If hand histories are altered it will be easy to prove with a proper analysis. Enlist the help of gunshot boy and 50/50 dude and create a think tank and produce some actual data. Until someone produces some actual data, yours is nothing more than a belief, and as I have shown there have been cases when people have provided actual data to prove softplay or collusion or bots, and the response to that data is quite a bit different.

All the best.

I don't understand variance and certainly not in Omaha so obviously rigged.

So you guys are claiming AA has no statistical advantage over KK @ Global?

[QUOTE=Bobo Fett;52297553]It will be interesting to see if you're finally able to respond to this, given it would be the fifth try for me asking the question.



https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/5362

This is section 5362 of the UIEGA and defines what the UIEGA covers. It is the reason online poker is considered gambling and why just renaming your chips is not good enough to get around the law. It's the reason Stars, Party poker, and the rest of the sites pulled out of the use market. Can we agree on this or would you like more discussion on this?

Maybe thats your problem, you think this is just omaha ok. Texas holdem, AA vs ak of diamonds how offen is the player gonna spike a set on the flop not saying its nit going to happen but time and time again? My proof is the time i"ve put into this site and what ive seen in all aspects tournaments and cash games.
You keep jumping to conclusions, saying we a rigtards with insane theories. Which no one has realy stated, what has is this should have a different name not texas holdem and make customers aware of that. Some people like to play the game, and dont enjoy bingo crap shoots that just gets boring and fustrating after a while if you dont know what you in for.

Im starting to think the ones defending this site know of this pattern and dont want others to realize it so they can continue to rake in the cash. Cause now when more people are aware of this you no longer have the advantage you thought you had. Why else go threw such great lenths to debunk all posts that dont agree with you.

if you are one of those looking for the information on the laws, it is all contained in this company prospectus. (prize, chance, and consideration)

Do not take our word on it, just read this completely and come to your own conclusions. It contains relevant information about the UIGEA as well.

But in particular, pay attention to page 64 where they state that in partnership with a real money poker supplier (Cubeia), they have developed a Social Sweepstakes Poker product.

Why would they need to develop a different product if they were going to offer real money poker?

They speak of taking customers from social poker, not taking customers from illegally based US poker sites. They talk about expanding the social sweepstakes. If virtual currency/free to play was the only requirement to make poker a sweepstakes game, then they or someone else would have done it a long time ago. They have developed a very good sweepstakes game based upon poker.

The information here can not be copied and pasted, so unfortunately you will have to click the link and read the information in it's original state as published by VGW.

I rarely play Omaha, so the bulk of what I've witnessed on Global is at Hold'em. Do bad beats happen? Sure. But the claim that no advantage exists when it comes to hole cards is asinine.

Monteory: Present your evidence and please stop arguing and making statements about my comments that are not true. We are saying this is not a true poker game at all. It has nothing to do with rigging, RNG or dealing or any other element you want to throw out there. Solid evidence has been established to support that this is a very elaborate electronic sweepstakes contest. The evidenced is not based on what we think because of the cards being dealt. This is evidence obtained from company research, game research, new technology, company financial records, etc.

We are simply letting people know that these sophisticated electronic sweepstakes games exist that look a lot like real poker. It is our belief that Global Poker is operating one of these electronic sweepstakes games. There is nothing illegal about this, but we want the poker community to be informed and make informed decisions about the game they are playing. We are not here to bring down a organization, we only want the poker community to be informed. So please present the evidence you have that this is actually real US money poker.

Well, for what it is worth when I ran a casino bonus whoring team back in the days we did post that the sites were rigged to try to keep others from discovering the free money, which would of course end the free money sooner.

This is quite different though as it is people like you that have in theory broken the system, yet for some reason are choosing to not make a ton of money from that. I am questioning why that is, with the logical answer that you have not actually broken anything.

If I discovered a pattern as simplistic as what all of you suggest I would immediately get as many players as I could to exploit it for as much as possible as quickly as possible, just like I did when I discovered a flaw in the 4 handed Jacks or Better Video Poker at Will Hill only a few years ago. Of course, I actually like money.


I am not the one trying to use this secret advantage, you are, an d all I am suggesting is that like I did with Will Hill years ago for a healthy 6 figures before they finally changed that flaw you and the other riggies should do the exact same! Again, the only issue you face is if your beliefs are not accurate.


You were the one that said the deal was being altered, and the only way that happens is in the actual cards dealt, which would then be easy to prove.

Are you now saying that the cards being dealt are not altered? If so, then who cares what it is called, if it has the same rules as poker, and is dealt in the same way as poker (without the cards being altered) then it is poker, whether it is called a sweepstakes or something else to try to get around regulations.

So, again I ask, yes or no - are the cards that are dealt being altered?

All the best.

Lets say what you are claim is 100% accurate. Shouldn't there be evidence of it at the games? I see the same people with big stacks at the 1/2 NLHE tables every day. Are they just the luckiest people? Are they just exploiting what you're saying? I don't agree with your theory about Global. I don't change how I play here how I would elsewhere. Why have I done as well as I have playing straight up?

Again please stop with the misleading information. The above quote is what I said in answer to a different question you asked. Now maybe I should have stated to you again, that I do not believe this is a real poker game at all; therefore, I do not believe the cards are dealt like a real poker game.

I have already responded to you persistent rational argument of why do I not exploit this information. That has already been addressed, and I done responding to you unless you can provide some actual relevant information as to Global Poker offering a real US money poker game.

You guys are getting soooooo massively trolled...

Evidence from downloading and analysing? The only online poker site that you can't download hand histories that I know of.

Why cant you accept this is not poker? The only exploit is being in the right hand at the right time hell fold 10 in a row, watch the players winning cause it wont last long it will switch to you eventualy.
As many have stated nothing illegal here, but its the transparency of the product being offered thats in question. Slots you flip that lever and away you go flashy lights sounds everything to give you the feeling your winning. Here monster hands preflop lots of action you feel like how could i lose right? Maybe thats what "next generation poker means" there own variation on a take of the game. So this thread of it being FAKE suits it well, but going in on the premiss of pot odds and position bets or just skill in general would make a good player lose and rip there hair out. Cause that is not how you win here sorry to burst your bubble.
But as many have stated, you call them out and ask for "proof" that this game operates different then traditional poker. I'd ask for the same in regaurds as to how you can prove this is nothing more then a predetermined sweepstakes each hand. How can you prove we are wrong and you are right?

^^^This

WTF is this?? Did you really think I was asking for a link to explain the UIGEA to me?

You are asserting that sweepstakes laws require them to provide a fake game of poker. Let's see the link to said law.

If that's all you're going from, then your assertion is based on nothing more than your interpretation of this law, and all you're doing is stating opinion as fact.

Why is it OK for you to disagree with others, but when they disagree with you, they get replies like "So i know your one of them people who need to be right" or "Why else go threw such great lenths to debunk all posts that dont agree with you."?

This is a forum, where people sometimes disagree with each other and debate about things.

Who's trolling who, and how do you know?

So let's agree on this first part then we can move on to the next part about the sweepstakes

Agree on what? That there is a UIGEA and it makes it illegal for financial institutions to send money to and from gambling sites? OK, now what?

I can't avoid clicking on this thread! Absolute gold! That, and BoBo has the patience of a Saint.