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Old 05-22-2017, 06:01 PM   #1
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Global Poker - RNG Discussion

Hi everyone,

I fell for Global Poker like all of you but I have come to my senses and I hope you will too. Global Poker is a total mirage. There is no deck, no shuffle, and what you see on the screen is an illusion. It is just a fancy looking sweepstakes the same as those class 2 slot machines in some Indian Casinos that are just electronic bingo machines. They even have "video poker" machines that use the same bingo formula. Instead of bingo we have sweepstakes. By definition, the winner is determined by luck rather than skill This is why they dodge any questions about the deal and shuffle. It is also why you are able to use PayPal and it is only available in the US and Canada. It follows the same sweepstakes laws in these places. It is why you have to verify your ID when you cash out because sweepstakes laws say you have to. It is also why the hand histories are available for every sweepstakes you enter because sweepstakes laws says you have to provide a list of winners. It is also why you can't download hand histories because they know that if anyone looked at them they would see how far out of variance it is. What is shown to us players is designed to get their max rake each hand. Here is a link to the sweepstakes wiki.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweepstakes

If I am wrong why would PayPal and this company risk running into the UIGEA?
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Old 05-22-2017, 06:04 PM   #2
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Very deep analysis on your part. I'm sure nobody did any research on their end. Perhaps, you should consult for them? What kind of law do you primarily practice?
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Old 05-22-2017, 07:35 PM   #3
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By using poker playing strategies learned elsewhere I have been crushing the sweeps at Global for several months. I was verified after submitting the proper documents. I was paid within 24 hours multiple times.
That is all I care about.
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Old 05-22-2017, 07:58 PM   #4
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Another home run of a first post. Knocked it out of the park.
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Old 05-22-2017, 08:15 PM   #5
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Lol, so many first time posters all negative reviews. Kind of odd....

No other sight has anywhere near this stuff.
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Old 05-22-2017, 08:38 PM   #6
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Lol, so many first time posters all negative reviews. Kind of odd....

No other sight has anywhere near this stuff.
I assumed it's because there are so many first time online poker players at global due to the Facebook advertising.
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Old 05-22-2017, 08:39 PM   #7
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Lol, so many first time posters all negative reviews. Kind of odd....

No other sight has anywhere near this stuff.
My favorite part of internet forums. Why not comment on what I posted instead of how often I posted. I have been a member for a long time and never felt the need to post before now.
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:11 PM   #8
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Hi everyone,

I fell for Global Poker like all of you but I have come to my senses and I hope you will too. Global Poker is a total mirage. There is no deck, no shuffle, and what you see on the screen is an illusion. It is just a fancy looking sweepstakes the same as those class 2 slot machines in some Indian Casinos that are just electronic bingo machines. They even have "video poker" machines that use the same bingo formula. Instead of bingo we have sweepstakes. By definition, the winner is determined by luck rather than skill This is why they dodge any questions about the deal and shuffle. It is also why you are able to use PayPal and it is only available in the US and Canada. It follows the same sweepstakes laws in these places. It is why you have to verify your ID when you cash out because sweepstakes laws say you have to. It is also why the hand histories are available for every sweepstakes you enter because sweepstakes laws says you have to provide a list of winners. It is also why you can't download hand histories because they know that if anyone looked at them they would see how far out of variance it is. What is shown to us players is designed to get their max rake each hand. Here is a link to the sweepstakes wiki.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweepstakes

If I am wrong why would PayPal and this company risk running into the UIGEA?
Of course they are using the sweepstakes law to make it legal. Doesn't mean that it's rigged.
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:22 PM   #9
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Of course they are using the sweepstakes law to make it legal. Doesn't mean that it's rigged.
Following sweepstakes law it has to be a random draw. It showing everyone in the hand with a piece of the fake flop is to entice more those players to enter more sweepstakes entries and max out the rake. It's rigged as in it's not poker and doesn't draw from a deck but like lotto.The company passing it off as poker is wrong.
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:32 PM   #10
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Following sweepstakes law it has to be a random draw. It showing everyone in the hand with a piece of the fake flop is to entice more those players to enter more sweepstakes entries and max out the rake. It's rigged as in it's not poker and doesn't draw from a deck but like lotto.The company passing it off as poker is wrong.
You're not wrong. There is a reason they are billing those that deposit as arcade games. It's predetermined video poker practically. They have no proof that it's random. None. Zilch. Zero.
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:40 PM   #11
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You're not wrong. There is a reason they are billing those that deposit as arcade games. It's predetermined video poker practically. They have no proof that it's random. None. Zilch. Zero.
Yep. Even in live poker the hands are predetermined after the cards are shuffled and cut. The the only thing affecting the outcome is who folds.
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Old 05-23-2017, 07:04 AM   #12
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Of course they are using the sweepstakes law to make it legal. Doesn't mean that it's rigged.
It means it isn't poker. Global Poker is real poker like McDonald's is real Monopoly. I would not of played here if they were honest about the game they provided.
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Old 05-23-2017, 07:20 AM   #13
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[QUOTE=Bobo Fett;52262795]I'm stumped by this; perhaps I'm not understanding the way you use some terms. What, in your mind, is the difference between drawing a card from a deck, and the way a lotto randomizes?


What I am saying is that it's drawing senerios to present the players and not just randomly selecting a card from the deck. If it was drawing cards that would be gambling
. The winner has to be picked at random for a sweepstakes to be a sweepstakes.


On a different note I am not sure why my post was shoved into this thread. I thought it was different enough to have it's own thread and discussion.


Since this is a sweepstakes the fee that is charged on cash outs is most likely illegal because you can't charge someone a fee to get there winnings from.a sweepstakes.
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Old 05-23-2017, 07:57 AM   #14
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Since this is a sweepstakes the fee that is charged on cash outs is most likely illegal because you can't charge someone a fee to get there winnings from.a sweepstakes.
It is Paypal that charges the fee for using their services. Global does not charge fees, and they eat the Paypal fee when you deposit.
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Old 05-23-2017, 11:14 AM   #15
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It means it isn't poker. Global Poker is real poker like McDonald's is real Monopoly. I would not of played here if they were honest about the game they provided.

This is exactly how this operation is working. This isn't real poker.

It's pretty lousy so many people are coming to Global's defense when this clearly is not the same as Pokerstars/LivePoker/America's Cardroom or whatever other form of shuffling/dealing/randomness you'd like to mention.

Kimberly won't even admit that the RNG is random. This is an arcade style of poker. They even bill you as an arcade game on your billing statement.

The system is completely set up. I've played every site online since Planet Poker and Partypoker way back in the day. Millions of hands and even played for a living from 2006-2011. The way the cards drop is totally different here than anything I've ever seen.

I'm not a rigtard. If you can't see this than I don't know what to tell you. I'm not claiming it's rigged against me. It's just completely set up to generate action. The amount of straight flushes/quads and straights vs trips on flops is astronomically high here because it's a sweepstakes exactly as GOLDNSQUID mentioned. Built for action.


They call themselves "next generation poker site" for a reason. It's built for excitement. Action. Fun. Not real poker.
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Old 05-23-2017, 12:49 PM   #16
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Hilarious how losing at online poker brings out the best in people. Waaa waa waaa it's his fault or the site's fault waaaaaaaa.

Grow up.
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Old 05-23-2017, 01:20 PM   #17
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Hilarious how losing at online poker brings out the best in people. Waaa waa waaa it's his fault or the site's fault waaaaaaaa.

Grow up.
It's also hilarious how you like to belittle and make assumptions. I never said I was losing nor did I make any complaints. Do you have any proof that their RNG is different than how me or others have said? Even Global Poker doesn't back their RNG up. They have not made any claims that it's random.

Sweepstakes means you always have a chance. It's why there are constant runner runners on this site. You will never see a hand calculator that shows percentage of players chance to win a hand because it's not random at Global Poker. It's a sweepstakes. Meaning your hand has a better chance to win here than any other site. It's set up for action and there is lots of it at every table.

Do you see limp calling in 10-20 games on any other site like you do on Global Poker? No. It's not just because the players are that bad. It's because the sweepstakes ruling and the way the system deals their cards is always giving players a piece of the board. Just don't overplay your aces because there is no such thing as a dry board on this site.

You can say waa waa waa all you want. I've played online since the start and played 2 million hands when I played for a living before black friday. This is not a legitimate deal.
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Old 05-23-2017, 02:45 PM   #18
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I'm not a rigtard. If you can't see this than I don't know what to tell you. I'm not claiming it's rigged against me. It's just completely set up to generate action.
I thought this when I started playing WSOP.com a few years back but was proven wrong over the long term, but Global IS different. I probably played 70k hands so far (I play 500k hands/year) and it's without a doubt not completely random. While I believe it's fair for all for what it's set up for, it's completely shady and disingenuous to not have clarity of an rng audit.
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Old 05-23-2017, 04:51 PM   #19
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What I am saying is that it's drawing senerios to present the players and not just randomly selecting a card from the deck. If it was drawing cards that would be gambling
. The winner has to be picked at random for a sweepstakes to be a sweepstakes.
Do you have a link to this law?

The idea that they'd have to remove all skill from the game makes no sense to me. If it's a game of chance, it should work under sweepstakes rules. If it isn't, they wouldn't need to worry about sweepstakes rules at all - a game of skill should be able to be offered up without any of these regulations, just like a sports competition.

Just checked out the link you provided in the OP, and I'm wondering how you could have come to the conclusions you did if you read it:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweepstakes

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Under these laws sweepstakes became strictly "No Purchase Necessary to Enter or Win", especially since many sweepstakes companies skirted the law by stating only "No Purchase Necessary to Enter",[4] removing the consideration (one of the three legally required elements of gambling)[5] to stop abuse of sweepstakes.
This is what I've always understood to be the essence of these sweepstakes that offer entries for money without being gambling, and that's why Global has the ability to enter for free by mail.

And as for luck vs skill, my understanding has always been quite the opposite of yours - if it was all luck, it would essentially be gambling and need to be licensed as such. That's why places like McDonald's do this:

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Notably, sweepstakes in Canada, Australia and several European countries require entrants to solve an (elementary school level) mathematical puzzle or answer a (fairly simple) knowledge question or solve a (trivial) fill-in-the-blanks guessing competition, making it (in theory at least) a contest of skill, in order to overcome requirements that would classify sweepstakes as a form of gambling under their country's legal definition.
What you're suggesting Global is doing would have the complete opposite effect. By removing any skill, they'd be turning the game into pure gambling, which would be a legal problem.

But I'm certainly no legal expert, so if you know something different, please share.
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Old 05-23-2017, 05:29 PM   #20
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Even Global Poker doesn't back their RNG up. They have not made any claims that it's random.
That's actually not true:

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Hi guys.

We resently got the RNG certification. Which is part of the licensing process we are going thru right now. I will publish the result here asap.

In regards to the software. We have purchased a license of the source code and are in the process of forking it. Once that is done we can and will develop it any way we chose. This is a priority to us so we can offer the best player experience possible.
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but they are not entitled to their own facts.

We got a good thing going on here, why would we want to ruin that? Our license which includes the RNG certification is still under review so any update at this point is way above my pay grade. Now, some people probably see this as dodging the RNG question but tell you what, as soon as I have more info about this, you guys will surely be the first to know.
I completely understand if that's not good enough for people, and obviously many will want to see this process completed and posted on their website before they'll believe it, but to suggest they've been silent on the issue and that backs up your theory of it not being random is simply incorrect.

I've never played there, so I couldn't say whether their RNG "seems" legit or not. But nothing anyone's posted this far has proven that Global not only doesn't offer a proper game, but legally can't do so. Everything I've seen and understand leads me to the opposite conclusion - there's no reason they shouldn't be providing a straight-up game of poker. Whether they actually are or not, I couldn't say.
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There is a lot of action on the site, but I tend to believe it is more Zynga poker players than anything else.

I would say consider that the prior chief at William Hill is the chairman and they did take public investor's money. If there is any shady business, someone with decades long experience as an executive and investment banker will be going to prison for fraud. It just doesn't make sense that he would risk that kind of downside at this point in his life for a couple of bucks. Anyone with 30+ years in the investment business is very well off. The risk just doesn't make any logical sense.

Look up Nigel Blythe-Tinker, he is the chairman.
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Do you have a link to this law?

The idea that they'd have to remove all skill from the game makes no sense to me. If it's a game of chance, it should work under sweepstakes rules. If it isn't, they wouldn't need to worry about sweepstakes rules at all - a game of skill should be able to be offered up without any of these regulations, just like a sports competition.

Just checked out the link you provided in the OP, and I'm wondering how you could have come to the conclusions you did if you read it:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweepstakes


This is what I've always understood to be the essence of these sweepstakes that offer entries for money without being gambling, and that's why Global has the ability to enter for free by mail.

And as for luck vs skill, my understanding has always been quite the opposite of yours - if it was all luck, it would essentially be gambling and need to be licensed as such. That's why places like McDonald's do this:


What you're suggesting Global is doing would have the complete opposite effect. By removing any skill, they'd be turning the game into pure gambling, which would be a legal problem.

But I'm certainly no legal expert, so if you know something different, please share.

You were close to the point but then went in the opposite direction. You left the part of your quote off where it says

By definition, the winner is determined by luck rather than skill

Sweepstakes are "free" lotteries where the outcome is chance and not skill. This is the point of this whole thread and what makes it fraud. The Canadian skill question isn't law

Contesting note: There is no Canadian Federal law requiring an STQ

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skill_testing_question

This site isn't poker and shouldn't even be here at twoplustwo
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There is a lot of action on the site, but I tend to believe it is more Zynga poker players than anything else.

I would say consider that the prior chief at William Hill is the chairman and they did take public investor's money. If there is any shady business, someone with decades long experience as an executive and investment banker will be going to prison for fraud. It just doesn't make sense that he would risk that kind of downside at this point in his life for a couple of bucks. Anyone with 30+ years in the investment business is very well off. The risk just doesn't make any logical sense.

Look up Nigel Blythe-Tinker, he is the chairman.
If they didn't market it as poker then I wouldn't have an issue.
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Old 05-23-2017, 08:25 PM   #24
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I've taken a flop on 15k $weeps hands so I assume far more than double that total hands on Global and I don't see anything outside the RNG I witnessed at any other site. Although 50k hands isn't a tremendous amount, I certainly don't see AA vs KK all day long or set over set.

Now, tell me why your observations and experience is more valid than mine.
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I've taken a flop on 15k $weeps hands so I assume far more than double that total hands on Global and I don't see anything outside the RNG I witnessed at any other site. Although 50k hands isn't a tremendous amount, I certainly don't see AA vs KK all day long or set over set.

Now, tell me why your observations and experience is more valid than mine.
Care to post your hand histories? You can't and what your posting doesn't say anything either way. How many of your 30k hands was the max rake taken out?
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