I am not seeing anything strange.

I have played online for about 15 years at stars, full-tilt, carbon, UB, Hero, Bovada, Betonline, ACR. I have been on Global for about 3 years. All the card run-outs seem the same as everywhere else I have played, but this is just off of my memory only, so take it with a large grain of salt.

I have went on massive upswings and downswings at all of the sites and I have an excellent intuitive understanding of variance.

For those that say customers are leaving, I haven't looked at the stats, but I can say that I have no problem finding a game. I play mtts, sngs, cash,plo, sweeps, and gold coins.

You play exponentially more hands in online poker than live poker. So of course you're going to see more royal flushes, straight flushes online opposed to live poker. I am by no means a card shark and I cannot with 100% certainty stand behind Global pokers "legitimacy" but i have had several successful big cash outs on global poker without any issues. With that being said, I am fairly certain global poker is not rigged in anyway.

The ability to redeem prizes on GP is unquestioned and should be celebrated more. In the history of online poker sites it stands alone with Stars in terms of reliability.

I am here after reading hundreds and hundreds of posts. I am not asking you to trust me - I am not alone in these observations. I'm just posting here for discussion. The legalese terminology they use does allow for manipulated cards. Do they do it or not? I have no proof.

It's all good. I like discussions and hearing other people's opinions and observations. I have observed that Haters & Riggies seem to have low post counts and/or new accounts and the members that seem to support Global seem to have been around a little longer which also doesn't prove anything but should give you something to think about.

No harm done. I'm not some disgruntled past member who has been kicked or banned, just a long time lurker who recently started up playing again on Global and noticed the massively deflated amount of players since the last time I played there about a year or two ago (then again many were locked inside there houses during that time). I also truly have never seen such insane action all in large massive bad beats (not just me - but quads beat quads... royal beats str8 flush... fh beats fh. These are all in hands where half or more the table goes all in. It just seems statistically the chances of this happening within an hour or two is insane - so I actually read all of their terms of service and fine print and came upon this thread.
I was the beneficiary of some of these insane hands as well but it did seem more like a video game bingo version of poker than actual poker.

I didn't lose any insane amount of money I only popped for the $20 sweeps buy in... raised it from micro and slowly climbed up stakes to about $275 (I'd love to say it was my playing skill but it was insane nut all in hand after all in hand) .. cashed out $75 - which I do have to admit came quickly & without problems so no complaints on that end and then lost and I kid you not KKKK to AAAA (on river flop of course) - and I keep seeing these type of hands that simply shouldn't occur this frequently unless I am seeing powerball lotto like odds in play. I'm not crying or anything - but I definitely wouldn't deposit again without getting some clarity on the sweepstakes terminology.

I have seen what all online players have seen at the other sites in terms of variance... of course - but I don't know if their terms of service legally allow them to futz with odds at poker tables. Global's legalese terminology clearly does. Again this does not prove they are - and honestly I wouldn't play at Global regardless if their were any other alternative (I played at pokerstars for over a decade) - but I'm in upsate NY for a while and other than a rinky dink Toyoga Downs casino with all of two live tables that barely has anyone and is two hours away - there is no where else to play physical or online because NY is a backwards ass state. Concealed guns & pot are legal but OHHHHH not that deadly online poker!!! Lol.

I wrote to Global asking for clarification on the terms of service and if it only applied to slots or if it applied to the poker tables as well because of the sweepstakes model they are using, but I received no reply. Is their anyone officially from Global Poker in this thread? Can they give an absolute clarification on it?

If you look up their annual reports, it lists corporate attorney. Can try emailing them, their paralegal would handle it obviously.

When they first came out, I was interested as an investor. Took a bit of effort, but got all my questions answered to my satisfaction.

One thing about variance and wild runouts, I part of some private rec clubs and clubs primarily geolocation based in areas that love their gambols. On a site like ACR, you'll have most hands folded preflop and one can narrow ranges down pretty effectively. In some of these clubs, and Global to a lesser extent, hands that should be folded see flops and then ones that should fold on flops stay to the river. If you look back in your own HH you will see you would have hit a straight flush X amount of tines if you were stayed in the hand but simple piker math said to fold. That's a big part of the reason places like Global gets so many swingy hands.

That's cute.

I'm really not & for an admin your sarcasm isn't appreciated. Does "Official GlobalPoker Representative" mean you work for Global? If so can you can you clarify this issue absolutely as far is the previous posted language on the TOS / EULA? If not - and you're just an admin of the forum - gladly have two plus two check my ip address for previous logins.

I haven't played much on ACR - I never really liked the client. As far as hand histories - that's another thing... why can't you just download your hand histories like every other online poker site in the world? Manually going through it is incredibly tedious and inaccurate.

To maintain more of a rec player base. The majority of 2+2 members for poker are not their main demographic. It's also why the games are better than WPN, as an example.

If you look at the apps, the clubs/apps focused on the gimmicky stuff and higher rake are light-years more loose and fishybthan the ones that allow HUDs, emulators, lower rake structure. One caters to the rec and focuses on things they either like or the grinder type doesn't.

Keep in mind re Global, they're regulated in 48 states. If they had legitimate issues with game integrity it is highly likely they would have had legal issue before. Add in the fact that the founders are very well off financially, why play games and risk a life of luxury for prison? Yeah, some people have done that, Madoff for one but his entire business was a fugazy from day 1. He didn't morph into it.

Search the thread for HUD and you can see the player that was banned for using one and he had a pretty large sample size to analyze.

I've played over 1,000,000 hands on Global Poker in the last 2 years. Hot streaks and horrible losing streaks but nothing out of the ordinary.

I've maintained a win rate of over.. i dunno what it is since i can't track hands. But up over 60K pretty steadily.. with several horrible downstreaks included.

I just started playing live again. I have seen 2 royal flushes, at least 4 straight flushes, ive made quads once and seen it several more times.

Me thinks that it is just poker.

The human brain has a hard time understanding statistics.

Reading a book on statistics can help.

Most people feel if they loose 4 coin flips in a row that they now have a better chance of winning the next flip. Not true. Still 50/50.

Playing poker is like working on another planet, with its own rule of physics. Our brain is not really adapted to process such intense variance.

This is why there is money to be made in poker.

Mainly from all of the nonproductive behavior from those who do not truly understand variance.

It will tilt you eventually, and you will lose faith in your game.

Research all aspects of the endeavor your are attempting to succeed at, and you will succeed.

Or peddle conspiracy theories and remain a victim.

Well said.

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Yep, no poker site have ever cheated before.

Has anyone in this thread claimed that no poker site has ever cheated? If so, they're one fry short of a Happy Meal(TM).

I can confirm the cashout curse does not exist, as I binked the first tourney I played after my cashout.

In order to deflect attention away from their nefarious doomswitch, Global purposefully arranges for one of every hundred cashouts to make a nice score in a tourney right after the withdrawl. By making your big score public, you are inadvertently contributing to the scam that was and is Global.

I have cashed out from Global Poker over 100 times in the last 2.5 years.

Cash game grinder.

Games as swingy as a hell, because they are soft as hell.

Just came out of a 4 month losing streak, where I could not win a flip to save my life.

Made most of it back in 2 weeks.

Poker is not for the weak minded.

Now you tell me! Where were you when I started playing in 2009?

Lmao

How are good poker players cashing out if the RNG fake ?? I suck and cry rigged all the time ..then I replay the hand and see where my mistake was and it is painfully obvious why I lost a hand ..should have folded ,should have raised should have 4x etc etc etc ...Poker is a game where you beat yourself ..

I feel your pain. But online casino do not benefit from rigging it. That would actually hurt them and open them up to all kinds of lawsuits. The real problem here is the rng. No rng is perfect. It's impossible for a computer program to be random. I promise you there is no benefit for them to rig anything. The hands are set up just the same as the poker odds. But in reality thats not how hands hit. It feels weird, weird crap happens but it's not nefarious. I've been kn the site for a while, I've seen crazy things. You also have to realize alot of people are playing for free. You can send in letters to global and reciece free money. They don't put a limit on how many letters you can send them. So alot are freeroling. Majority of the games are micro stakes. People with call with anything. If you want to increase ur win rate, stay away from the turbos and hyper turbo tournaments. And also stay away from the micro stakes. The site is great about withdraws. Tons of players are very profitable on global. You are missing what it means to be sweepstakes. You haven't read up on the laws enough. The are leagal because the dont charge to play, its 100% free. They give away sweeps to anyone who asks for them, you can buy gold coins and they give sweeps that you can change for equal prizes. That's why it's legal. Nothing to do with the nonsense you say. You also should keep in mind you are playing alot of hands in a short period of time. So crazy hands will hit, you will see weird ****. But no more often then the poker odds say you should hit them. Many people have looked into this and done research. I promise you they are not rigging it to make few extra bucks in rake.

(I'll never read a reply no matter what) It's already been figured out how all the poker sites operate. Yes, there will be winners. Just like every scam market, they have to give legitimate wins to a few people. Usually these accounts are scouted out by their social team, they will be streamers/youtubers/ or guys with 3,000 posts on a forum like the thickskull above. These are the 'referral' players. This is exact same formula the gambling companies use with all twitch streamers and youtubers. "I'm a winner you can be too if you are not bad".

I was working from home today, so I decided to do a $20 runup on Global since the interface is so easy. Keep in mind this is all on one table, within 4 hours. The only major hands I won was when a maniac or fish threw a stack at me with 1 pair. So I technically didn't win a single legitimate flop or hand. Despite going up 5x my buyin.

Aces lost 4 out of 5 times in a row. When you play really tight on Global they eventually hand you some premiums to get you to stack off and reload. Luckily I dodged almost all the allins here.
Kings lost 2 out of 3 times.
Set of Jacks on flop turned into Broadway straight 2x in a row for 2 buyins.

Only notable hand I won I rage called a 6bb bet out of position and flopped a straight flush. The chances of this after all those other hands is simply not possible mathematically.

The only hands I won during this session was a maniac rage allining after getting coolered. So I basically went 4 hours without winning a single hand.

Somehow I ran the $20 up to $140 during this insane bad beats session, but ended up back at $20 (conveniently enough money to keep playing hands and producing rake, interesting lol)

This is the third time in a row I've taken a $20 deposit on Global and had the same thing happen. 3-6x runup followed by a mathematically impossible set of super coolers.

There is another thread on here where a guy went on a very very length and long mission to speak to the legal department and lawyers of Global Poker. He came to find out that they legally can't call themselves poker because it is a sweepstakes model, not poker. Sweepstakes mean that at a 6 top table, each player has a 1/6 chance of winning the Pot if they enter a flop. Doesn't matter if it's AA going against 23o. Each player has that 1/6th chance.

Now, you might be saying, "Well buddy if everyone has 1/6th chance of winning, it's still poker moron. Nice tinhat riggie". First off, sweepstakes aren't Poker. Second off, it says on their legal documents 'they have the right to change the outcome of any Sweepscoin games at any moment during action'.

And as many other users have noted, at the highest stakes on Global they seem to alter the action and RNG less. At the places the majority of users play like mid level stakes and micros, there is more action on 1 tabletop in a couple hours than you will see in couple months playing at Vegas. And no, it's not because of volume.

It's really interesting how people have this weird notion of honor that a company whose sole source of income is rake and deposits, while being COMPLETELY unregulated, would care about them. "Hmmm, if we increase action pots it shows that we make 50% more income and can't be legally prosecuted especially if we hide hand history and ban datamining". "Nah, let's not make 50% more profits".

Another thing to consider is the 'free $$$' model. Let's say there are 50,000 users that use the site weekly. They hand out $3 in free coins to each user. I can't think of a single company on Earth that hands over $150,000 a ****ing week, $600,000 a month, FOR FREE.

Think about their mail-in system, too. I can't think of a single company on Earth that tells you 'yeah write us a letter that costs 25 cents with a stamp and we'll hand you $5'.

My entire discord group of Poker friends and myself have seen this same pattern every single session at Global. Doesn't matter if you position yourself at the fishiest table known to man. You will run it up 3-6x, and get a string of mathematically impossible coolers that bring you back down to deposit. Various members of our group have tried so many different ways to not have our stacks get obliterated from going down to micros with a min buyin to simply Allinning with all premiums before the flop. It doesn't matter which way you do it, the stack ends up gone. I fail to believe that a group of people who make their living playing Live poker, and also play on other sites, can all be 'losers'. The other thing is just how soft Global is. As I said, doesn't matter if you sit yourself next to 3 fish, eventually that stack will go down.

There's also this to keep in mind. Rake actually has literally no value to the website itself. The only value that comes with the rake is the eventual DEPOSIT. And the player needs to lose their stack to re-deposit. This is why they introduced the 30% rakeback. They probably noticed a decline in players and knew this could drag a few more back to lose a few more hundreds.

Just trust your gut with Global, and treat it like it is, Carnival/Sweepstakes poker. I only play with a $20 buyin once a week and to be fair, I do get several hours of 'entertainment' out of that $20. But it is in no way any form of cards or poker. Just a visual sweepstakes.

This is what I think many fail to understand. Softer/fishier play equates to a winning player seeing more bad beats per 100 hands simply because of how many times the weaker players gets it in bad when compared to a game with stronger opponents.

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