A dewd: you are correct that there is a Poker Software License Agreement between VGW and Cubeia. The 2018 VGW Financials provide us with some real numbers of the details. The agreement called for a lump sum payment to Cubeia form VGW for software development. Additionally, revenue sharing, as detailed on page 37 of the 2018 financial reports, details the revenue sharing portion of the Agreement. This part has now been completely satisfied, and revenue sharing is not ongoing at this point. Page 32 of the financials details the stock options given to Cubeia as part of the Agreement.
You are also further correct that Cubeia had already been in the business of developing poker software prior to their Agreement. The amended 2016 financial prospectus for VGW detailed their arrangement with Cubeia to ‘adapt’ their software for the purpose of the social gaming model. If one has access to these legally protected documents, they can review the information themselves. They further detail the information I provided earlier as the basis of the market research they did. Market research they used to move forward with a plan to produce an online version of the ‘Internet Sweepstakes Café’ model prominent in brick and mortar establishments in America.

And while BoBo is correct that this is indeed a RNG discussion thread at this point. I only wanted to point out that the origin of this thread was to get information out to players about the game they were playing. And that is truly my only intent. Therefore, this will be my last post in this thread since it is clear moderators do not want this discussion here. As a moderator, BoBo should remain unbiased. Unfortunately, with GP contributing a portion of their A$3.1m marketing expense to 2P2, I am not sure one could rightly remain unbiased. And I am completely grateful to GP for supporting 2P2 and keeping important forums for the poker community in business. Of course, I would love to see more of the A$65m spent by GP on Facebook, spent more in the poker community. But then again, they are bringing in a lot of new players, and that is good for the game.

The numbers are astounding; but take a minute to consider the 60% holdback for GP sweepstakes redemption. They arrived at this number due to historical data. What this means is that they are regularly getting 40% of every dollar in rake (or unclaimed sweepstakes). Now this is obviously done through rake churn, but that just seems like an astounding percentage of money being taken out of the poker community. They collected A$172m in Global Poker revenue during their first full year of operation. This means A$103m would be redistributed back out to the poker community. (I come from the logic that players need to win at a healthy enough rate to keep playing- is 60% healthy enough?) As a comparison, the 2018 WSOP main event with 7,874 entries had a prize pool of $74m resulting in a rake of $4.74m (6%) for the WSOP. Think about the cost and expense of conducting the main event compared to an online site.

We all know the online poker software companies are making money, and we are all ok with that as long as we, as individuals, have an opportunity to profit. Therefore, the notion GP is programing their software against individuals is unfounded. Because trust me, they have absolutely no reason to do so based upon the financial revenue they are reporting in their financials. If they are indeed taking 40% in rake for every dollar in revenue, they do not need to ‘fix’ their software against individuals to take their money. Individuals are gladly giving GP $0.40 on the dollar through their gameplay and the GP rake system. (And like the 3 musketeers [bobo, monteroy, a dewd] continue to point out – GP does not need your $1k {or$10k for that matter} to survive: they did not scam you of your money.) They only need to make sure their game complies within the legal argument of sweepstakes gaming in America. This is indeed the basis of my assertion. The difference in opinion is to the actual type of sweepstakes game they need to provide in order to meet the legal requirement.

I am not making a recommendation to anyone to stay away from GP. As stated previously, it is a completely fair sweepstakes game to play and very fun to play. Therefore, enjoy it. Just educate yourself as to how you are spending your entertainment dollars.

See, now this is what a proper "last" post should be, even though historically "last" posts are never the "last" post.

This person rambled on about his vague beliefs, and used somewhat proper paragraphs (rare for manifestos) to hint again at his muddled theory, tossing in some meaningless, contextless rake numbers as "support," and then wrapped it up in a nice bow by going with the semi-riggie route of dismissing the fundamental riggie belief structure that they are a target of the rig, or that they see the rig over and over with their own eyes.

What was his specific point? None, but he talked a lot about the non-point and then, satisfied with himself, declared closure on the topic, tossed in a couple passive aggressive insults to those who do not embrace his religion, and then walked off in the sunset, never to be heard from again, because doing so would shatter the movie like ending that he created for himself. Fade to black. Roll credits.

Other riggies should learn from this when they do their "this is my last post" proclamations.

All the best.

More unadulterated and unpasteurized pablum.

I'm the one that showed you the f'n financials and where to look. VGW is adapting Cubeia's software into their business model, standard verbiage you seemed to be lost, as usual, on.

To further show you complete incompetence and lack of ability to form factual opinions, 2P2 cut ties with one if their biggest advertisers over some discrepancies. You really like to attempt to be some savvy intellectual when in reality you're more the first half of an idiot savant than intellectual or even competent fact checker.

What site collects a rake one time off a dollar bet? VGW is projecting every dollar. is turned over a 'massive' eight times. Any company with 8th grade comprehension of accounting cash flows would re-adjust their holdover account on an annual basis. Pro tip, they OVER estimate it, so the reality is the dollar is being turned over 10x or more. Oh, the horrors!! Players continuing to play once they have more chips. Such drastic measures.... I deposited $1500 on another site and my monthly rake averages more than $600, monthly, not annually. Go figure, people that win some money continue to play the poker. Top end rake accounts generate 200K a year and up, do you figure them to deposit close to $3.4 million to stay inline with your random tidbit that the WSOP charges 6% of a one time entry?? I bet 100-1 of any amount of money you can escrow that I pay far more than a one time rake at any casino I bank at to play cash. What the **** is so difficult for you to comprehend?

I notice you still have yet to show how your crackhead team anal ized their large hand selection, although....we both know it would be torn to shreds by anyone with a modest grasp of variance, probability, and statistics.

There is almost nothing that you were able to discover on your own and almost everything you point to was either told to you and given the links or you just make **** up, like 2P2 somehow being beholden to an advertiser. Simple f'n research would have shown you that is wrong.

You come sweeping in to 2P2 to join a thread as if you have a clue, burp out nonsense in a long winded way in an attempt to sound smart when in reality you're lost and every post you go deeper and deeper into your own bull****.

Your team, lol.....just stop.

Please, explain to me how telling you what thread your post belongs in shows a bias.

Hello. I'm new to Global Poker (about a month)
Nickname is NL_Profit.
Mostly playing SNG ($30-$100), evening tournaments $7K and $10K, and cash games (NL100-600 and PLO $1k).
I have never requested a cash out, but the other day I've got an email asking to verify myself.
Why Global is PUSHING me to provide an ID?
They can check every hand I've played, all is according their rules.
My account ISN'T blocked same time.
Any idea what's going on?

Thank you.

Yeah, they're asking for verification of account. Pretty much standard on most sites.

with no reason?

Maybe your IP address is shared by another player or something. Kimbr here would be able to help you more to understand why.

How to contact that person?

I think Monteroy has some kind of alert he receives when anyone anywhere online mentions Global Poker.

He is on call 24 hours a day to respond.

His master Global Poker gets very angry at him when he doesn’t do as he’s told.

He doesn’t like what happens after that. Global Poker can get kind of rough.

He obsesses how he can please Global Poker and make them see him as a good servant for them.

His self esteem is 100% based on it.

I think it's pretty silly to discount the opinions of pros just because they may have financial or substance issues. It doesn't mean they don't have a good grasp of variance or what is going on with a game.

If I were running a poker game and had no morals but couldn't control the winner of the hand I would rig the game for maximum coolers/instagram hands/tilt. I'd want stuff like this to happen as often as possible: https://twitter.com/dmannpoker/statu...39811228725248 even though the hand itself is standard w/e cause even if it didn't happen between two streamers it would've been shared by the hero/villain as "wtf bro check out this sick hand".

You can think a site has issues and still play on there. Allinpav, who has streamed the most hours of poker on twitch in 2019 of anyone by quite a bit, and crushes ACR and other sites, has a command "!acr" in his channel. You type it and it says "Moderator: This is an unregulated site where colluding and bots is known to take place. Play at your own risk!". I play on there as well because it's still +EV. I've definitely seen chipdumping at FTs and I'm pretty sure I've played against bots in tourneys (for PLO the entire lobby is minbuy bots) but I don't play enough MTTs to say with a high level of certainty that they were.

Pav is a mass volume grinder who regularly streams 10+ hour sessions on the site and he's saying there's collusion and bots while presenting no evidence and even offering a referral link! I've played many more hands lifetime on WPN than on GP, experienced crazy variance, seen absurd graphs, played absurd hands and never once thought to myself "wtf rigged." However, I've spotted bots and collusion many times on WPN.

There is an intuition that comes with being a pro and having played a lot of poker that something is suspicious. When I play cash bots are pretty easy to spot.

Also yeah Monte is just a weird af guy, has 10% of the posts in the thread, has >50% more posts than #2 poster and way more than the 2p2 rep, posting here about every other day, writes like how the Comic Book Guy speaks...dunno what to say. Nothing wrong with writing that way it's just very odd. In b4 "lol riggie I enjoy making fun of you guys this is the highest form of entertainment for me". Well, I'd like to flex by showing my results from this site over the last 10 weeks just ****ing nutty for 2018-19. I still think it's sketchy. Claiming superiority by calling other people riggies is a weird flex but OK.

Amen. I've had some seriously brutal beats there, too. Caught bots/colluders, too. I also never thought it was rigged, although as the beat happened I've cursed them out more than once. I've gone stone cold there for months and ran so hot for three weeks straight.

Hey, it is fun to get under the skin of riggies, and I generally do it in a harmless manner in meaningless threads. Just look at your emotional reaction, and to be blunt I barely remember you or what I said to have you muttering like you just did, but it seemed to have had an effect. Best part is that many genuinely believe I get paid a ton for this, or that I even care about Global Poker. If you genuinely think my posting is crazy, then go visit the politics forum and see what goes on there. A lot of your fictional time spent posting numbers you put on me here would actually apply to some of those guys :O. Welcome to the internet.


See, that is how we differ. In contrast, if I wanted to run a site with no morals, with the assumption that the goal is to maximize revenue, I would run a rig to reduce the amount of attention grabbing coolers, and other action hands that scream for attention, which also move large chunks of money between accounts for relatively little rake.

I would try to hide the rig, while you would have it be so brazen as to effectively scream how much the site is rigged, and no doubt that all seemed logical to you when you posted it. Probably why you are just a poker player, and not an actual business person.

All the best.

I have seen quads over quads live. Twice.

I didn't make up any numbers I just looked at the number of posts in the thread and did some basic division. I don't think you're paid just a weird dude.

I don't think you would be good at running a poker site or poker related business because you are severely autistic or something. There is massive promotional interest in just rigging games...I remember when this hand happened: https://youtu.be/bIAS0VEcvAY (durr vs antonio AA>KK super deep on PAD 2 years ago) everyone was talking about it, there were other youtube vids made, it was shared blabla it was tons of advertising for PAD which was a huge investment for PokerGo a young company at the time. Really no way to prove a cold deck but there was a lot of financial interest in having Durr play a massive pot in his return to TV poker...

Just look at the level of social engagement on the tweet I linked...it's huge for GP/GP streamers.

Imagine the MOST OBVIOUS RIG ever. People prove it and what ****ing happens? Nothing. There's no oversight.

I do quite well professionally on top of playing poker unlike you who has no profession nor plays poker. BURNNNNNNNNN
I saw it once it was the BBJ at my table ~7 years ago. Never seen it playing live PLO (or even watching NL or PLO on TV/youtube/twitch except the GP hand I linked between two streamers). Not sure I've ever seen it online...pretty certain it's never happened while I was in the hand.

Yes, you have made your business plan very clear.

- You remember a big hand and get excited.
- You believe everyone gets excited with big hands.
- Have a ton of artificial big hands, even if everyone then knows the game is fake/rigged, and having quads over quads every other hand would not diminish this reaction at all, because people love big hands (you can link to one in case anyone disputes this)
- Profit.

You may as well call the room Rigged Poker, because in your business world there is no oversight nor market forces that would protest these changes to the game being played.

I think you should pursue this model of yours, and I have had similar conversations with people just like you in the past in this regard. I encourage them to continue what they are doing and suggest we see how each other is doing in five years or so with our respective agendas. Perhaps you will be the first one that is still around in the industry after that time expires. Unlikely

Thanks for the chat. I expect we will have another brief one when you appear again in the future to personally attack me when you need to vent, because I said something on the internet that upset you in the past. You may need to remind me who you are at that time, so just say that you are the one that believes Quads Poker (quads all the time for everyone) would be a financial success. I rarely remember riggies by their user name, given their disposable nature and innately high turnover, so nicknames help in that regard.

All the best.

It seems to work pretty well...apps and GP are popular. How much would I have to pay you to not talk about it so you don't weird people out?

You will be relieved to know that nothing said in threads like this matter at all in the industry, and the irony is that usually I am told that I post to help Global Poker. Seems you have the opposite belief structure, but that is fine - riggies often times contradict each other.

It is amusing that you genuinely believe the bulk of players (most of whom play lower stakes) even care about the big hands that you likely spend hours watching on streams and other media each week. Most players do not care a bit about that, so while I am not surprised that you believe that a business plan based on your narrow range of perspective would succeed, it of course would fail miserably. Still, you are welcome to give it a try. You might want to consult with that guy who thought about opening a poker only hotel in Vegas in the NVG forum to share your ideas.

As to your ego chest pumping offer of money, I will just suggest you forego any payment to me and instead match my annual donation of $1,000 to the Red Cross. Given the unlikely odds of you doing that (people like you tend to regard charities as -EV plays), all you have to do to never have me post to you again is do not reply to me or post about me in the future. Quite simple. It's not like I will remember you or chase you around as you have done with me. Your behaviour is very standard in that regard, and many before you who behave as you do have come, vented for a while and then faded away.

All the best.

On the flip side of the coin. How can you so vehemently deny that their may be a rig when their is no proof otherwise?

I simply point out that disproving a negative is not how the process of proving something works. Can you prove that your parents are not actually Lizard People? Perhaps they are Lizard People, and their DNA will fool all the current tests and indicate they are human. How can you vehemently deny your potential reptilian heritage when there is no proof otherwise?

In the end, and the beauty of the disproving a negative request opens up an unlimited amount of fun things that "could" exist.

All the best.

Guys, I can tell you exactly how many BBJ hands happened from 5.3M hands db that I have over GP. I think I looked it up one time and it wasn't that many.
Based on what I've seen it doesn't look like RNG is rigged here and I can actually verify it. So stop your nonsense.

Well here you go. 12 hands out of 5.3M NL mostly 6max hands. Not that many.

And /thread

But....that's an occurrence of 0.0000022641%!!

And then there is the bad feelz

Sadly, your 5 million plus hands with even just those 12 bbjp hands will change a total of zero minds. Someone will even suggest you made it all up or are paid by the company.

On another note, that's some serious record keeping you have considering what it takes to do it all.

This is what happens on unregulated sites. You induce action to get a big rake then 1 in 500,000 hands is enough to get the job done. Open your eyes people.