This is probably the funniest dumb quote I've ever seen in the 2+2 forums.

So you're playing above 3/6? Good to know. Oh and your perception of 70% of the time and all these other numbers make you look foolish since you think the game is rigged.

I could pull out $20000 from my bank account and play 100/200, but so what?

Does that make every stupid thing I say not stupid somehow?

No, but playing in a game that you think is rigged against you is stupid.

Not if he hates money.

Listen and be Wise: Never play on a poker site where the admins have a Quad Knob!

I never claimed it was rigged. I claimed there was weird things going on.

And there is definitely a quad knob

How would weird things be going with how the cards are dealt without a rig being involved?

Also, what would the business plan be behind a Quad Knob, other than appealing to people like you who enjoy using the term often.

I kind of get the crude approach the other person is using about your likely buyins, as your type of standard whining is more common at the micros, particularly from those who think they are much higher up on the food chain than they really are, but I would go with a more simplistic analysis that you just like whining all the time. Some people are like that, fortunately not all people. You may not fully believe it is rigged, though you probably have some doubts/concerns, but that just gives you more reason to whine more, so in the end you are happy, which is why you continue in this industry. Bit of an unprofessional approach, but some humans need to whine, so my advice to you is try to fill that need of yours to constantly complain without it impacting your play whenever possible.

All the best.

Use your head. There could be players that have hacked the browser based software to see runouts, to see hole cards, etc. You would see more iterations of quads and other massively strong but statistically unlikely hands if people knew they were coming, because many trash hands that would otherwise fold before the river would be staying in to realize their quad/SF equity



Im not whining. I've 6x my bankroll since I started posting in this thread. I still think there is some weirdness going on.

BTW, that player I took a note on has not shown up again since the day after I took the note on him, which is really strange considering I saw him daily.

The most recent weirdness is a player I see who must have a VPIP of 80%+, and a PFR of 0%, like literally limp calls every hand, but plays stunningly well postflop. They are constantly sitting on 200-2000 bb stacks, day after day, week after week. I've never seen a fish like this before. Yesterday I saw him sitting on 11 buyins at one table, 15 buyins at another table, and 2-800bbs on the other 4 tables. I've seen massive LP fish sitting on 15 buyin stacks before, but I've never seen it happen every day over days and weeks. It's totally possible this is a good postflop player pretending to be a fish, but why would anyone do that on a site that doesn't allow stat tracking? Say what you want about luck and variance, the odds of a player that is 80/0 being a winning player is very small, especially in the high rake environment that is global.

I continue to be incredulous.

CHallange accepted.

Withdraw 20k and lmk which site you deposit on

I think so, too.

As do I.

The browser would not have complete hands. They would have to hack a server and likely the RNG.

Not sure about the quad knob, but I do believe that there is flush knob (but not like the one on my toilet).

You never stated the games you are playing, but I suspect the other player is correct in that he will never see you at the 3/6+ tables. I am not saying this to mock you, rather I would ask why would they choose lower stakes and a slower game to deal if they had this super ability you are paranoid about.

You are doing your analysis backwards in that you are believing you are seeing certain things then trying to jam some theory that would make it possible. That aint how that works.

Add to it your need to whine and use hyperbole (like when you saw the weirdest hand ever when it was a pretty mundane one) and it is hard to take your observations seriously, and that is before realizing that if they were somehow true then they likely would not be in the games you are in anyways.





Yeah, weirdness. People see that all the time everywhere, and never think its because they are paranoid. As to whining - that is the main ingredient in nearly all your posts, whether its silly like quad knobs or extra whiny like describing "impossible" play from opponents whenever you lose a hand.



Ooh spooooooky. Who cares? You think that you seeing him suddenly made him realize that he should not try to hack/superuse the micros any more?

I remember the good old days on a network called the Cryptos where plays you think were impossible were happening every day. I sat at a $50 buy in table (likely a limit you play) where one player was being 100 100 anhd seeing nearly every showdown.

By the end of the session I had lost nearly 8 buy ins to him, but boy the rest of the table were happy with the 3K he spewed to them (including my 400ish).

Was that a super user whop could see my cards or a donk that got lucky vs me but had math smack him with the other players? SImilarly when you see this donk that has 15 buy ins, what you dont see is how many times he has lost his stack at the table before having that balance.


Still, no doubt you enjoyed whining about it, so continue to do so as needed.


All the best.

I play on Global ******

The fact you think it's relevant what stakes someone plays just goes to show how lacking in sharpness you are. This is like a reverse argument from authority. Regardless, I play higher stakes than you think. Not that it matters.













You sure have a willfully short memory.



Man that's a sweet anecdote but unfortunately a strawman. It differs widely from the example I gave. The guy I mentioned doesn't lose. He's a consistent big winner with a losing style. That isn't PWOOOOOF of anything but it is highly unlikely.


Please continue to shill the **** out of this thread though.

If anyone thinks $20k is sufficient to play those stakes, considering that'd be 1 full buy in, me thinks the OP is not as experienced in the game as he's leading on to be.

The level stakes you play is not that important - you would whine regardless. I worked with a player (go figure an Omaha player) who you remind me of - he whined non stop at the tables and outside the tables. He was a reasonable player skillwise, and could win, but his lack of emotional control cost him so much money, it got to be pointless to back him any more since he was not going to change, and frankly he was horrid to be around due to his constant whining.

He rationalized his play in much the same way you do yours. He chastised opponents in much the way you do. I have seen many iterations of people like you at the table and with backing over the years. AT the core you are a person who needs to whine all the time, and you mix it in with a dose of paranoia to come up with rationalizations for the world around you if things do not go exactly the way you want.



The guy I mentioned did not lose to me, and I never saw him again after that day, but I realize saying that is completely meaningless since my only proof is me saying it. You have yet to realize that all of your evidence is just you saying what you saw and then giving yourself a reference after.

Then other regs should be complaining about this guy non stop. However, the only other reg is basically openly mocking you. You saying something and then backing it up with you saying it again is not "PWOOOOOF of anything" other than you probably make up stories a lot.


I would ask how this debate leads you to think this is shilling, but I imagine your answer would be just as logical as if you tried to explain the business reasons behind a "Quad Knob."

You think you see and know things, when you don't, and people with actual experience in this industry see through people like you every day. You will never accept that, or your place in the food chain, and that is why this industry continues to be quite good. People like you leave a lot on the table (even if you are net winning), and the poker economy always appreciates it.

All the best.

But you said it’s really rigged. So are we going to play for 20k or not

Thanks for the analysis Sigmund.





Pretty much everything you write is meaningless. Let's look at the facts here. Online poker is sketchy as hell and has been proven to be sketchy as hell for nearly 20 years with a very few exceptions. You think you're smart enough to psychoanalyze people you've never met because you're taking the underdog in this argument, and you think other people are the credulous/irrational ones?

I mean come on man, you're either a shill or a moron.

Just on history of online poker alone I'm more likely to be right than you are.

I like to help people like you, especially when I know that nothing said will ever change the way you approach things, because that gives me faith in why the poker economy can be productive for those who do not have issues like you possess.



Your use of the term "Facts" is amusing, but it gives a good example of the point I was making about people of your kind - you think you know everything, and you have zero idea of your place on the food chain, and you will never really progress in the industry as it continues to evolve.

I fully expect this type of reply, which makes it even more enjoyable pointing out your flaws, because I know you will never acknowledge them or correct them. SO many people just like you have come and gone that I have lost count, I will will forget you just like I do the others, and the next guy like you will say all the same things you are saying, just as I quipped to the last guy before you who has vanished.

I do not question that you believe you are always right. That will never change and you will be replaced by someone else who vastly uneerachieves for the same reasons you will in this industry.

All the best.

Seething resentment dripping off every word. I must have hit a nerve. You are precisely the type of person who would shill for a shady site. With every post you make it gets more and more likely that is exactly what you are.

I'm actually cringing reading this ****, the same player who mentioned "note taking might remove bots " and said that global "turned up the quad knob" Is now talking about vpip in a SITE WITHOUT HUDS, no no no, you don't get to speculate any dam stats this is the most pathetic conversation I've ever seen. Bobo I know u read this and I have had posts deleted for cussing at people and im refraining from it but how is this kid allowed to spew this in here with literally no evidence and he is clearly either completely wrong or trolling, and this is from someone who has had complaint about GP

You watch one Doug Polk video and this kid comes in here talking about "80% vpip " on a site without HUDs hahahahahaha, you realize how bad Americans are in general post black Friday online? There is maybe a handful of people on GP who could beat stars mid-high currently , and you're definitely not one of them.

Heh, I have lost count of how many interchangeable people like you hope to hit a nerve, and claim to hit one, but sadly I have had this chat with clones of you over and over in the past several years. All of them vanished, and sadly none hit an actual nerve (might be fun if one ever did). You will vanish as well, as will the next one who posts and thinks like you. You are extremely commonplace.

In the end, if this silly belief you have that a bad player wins literally all the time was true then other regs would be posting a similar concern by now. None have. The only one who backs up all of your weird little theories is yourself, and you have no verifiable evidence to back up anything, just paranoia and spooky feelings.

Sad thing for you is you likely have some poker skills. You seem to take the game with some seriousness, although you do vastly overthink things at times, but you set a pretty hard cap on what you can achieve in this industry with the bizarre detours and artificial worlds you create in your mind. You are not the first to have this issue, nor will you be the last. I backed people like you before, including one who posted in this forum for a while who eventually really snapped here.

You can call me a shill if that makes you feel better, even though that makes zero sense at all, but it is what others like you use as a go to when they need. You have some significant mental leaks in how you approach this industry, and realistically not many in your situation do what they need to overcome them. Fortunately, most people like you are totally unbearable and horrible to be around, so nobody really cares when you eventually fade away from the industry.

Thanks for the chat, though it was a bit underwhelming. Hopefully the next iteration of you will be more entertaining. I included some actual genuine advice in my posts, but I know you will not recognize that nor think about it, and that is quite fine with me.

All the best.