Tons of riggies care about believing in some form of rig, and some "shills" like chatting/trolling with those riggies for amusement (although some actually try to genuinely logically debate riggies for some pointless reason). That does not change the fact that not a single thing said in a riggie thread ever has an impact on the industry, and as well that not a single riggie theory has ever been proven (even with your fist pumping skype chat with a rando buddy).

Did you read the crazy elo like rating system manifesto a different riggie posted just above? Was your reaction to that one of "yeah, that makes sense!" If it was not, then why not - after all he is among your brethren.

All the best.

Is this not the best riggie thread ever?

“I win huge because it’s rigged” actually makes zero logical sense.


“I win huge despite the rig” is only slightly less illogical.

“It’s rigged but I still play every day” is a whole psychology thread in its own right.

This thread has it all. This is the jelly-of-the-month thread.

Well, I don't agree with that guy's theory. I'm an atheist but I don't consider the French revolutionaries or communists who murdered clergymen and burned churches my "brethren".

Again, it's about having ****ed up RNG designed to generate action not a rig against individuals. I used to play on pokermaster too. Rigged af but the games were super good so it was worth it.

If he included a skype chat with his buddy would you believe him then? Why is your theory any better than his? At least that guy amidst his ramblings mentioned the word churn, you just use the very mundane action hand belief, which is amusing only in that big action hands

- Decrease earnings for the site as large clumps of money move between accounts (earning less rake in the end), and at many limits the rake is capped long before all the chips go in as well.

- Are far more noticeable, so players will record and study them more. Amusing that a rig uses those types of hands instead of ones that would not be noticed.

- Is personalized against winners. You said it was done (through some type of voodoo) to reduce win rates. Obviously that means they on the fly change hands to screw people like you who are champions, right, or are you modifying your beliefs to now say the rig you believe in helps you as much as it hurts you?


Not my fault you chose among the weakest of the stale riggie theories to latch onto, at least churn guy has some fun crazy in his post and a few new takes on a tired subject. Granted you had that LOLSkype chat you shared with deep pride, but that is your only standout moment so far, so hopefully you are capable of better in the future.

All the best.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/...c04&board=20.0

Some people think online poker is rigged. Many others think the earth is flat. Apples and oranges.

The way I think it is rigged (elo like system) would not prevent anyone from winning, is not rigged in favor or against anyone, and over time the winners/losers will fall in the same pecking order....it’s just that they’ll have won/lost slower thus winners receive less of losers deposits (site raked more)

It’s rigged in a way where playing good poker AS IF ITS NOT RIGGED will yield fine results and you’ll make money.

I do believe “exploiting the rig” by doing things like:
Folding KK in specific spots where Global tends to deal KKvsAA
In spots you are <5bb folding to your bb if you don’t pick up a hand before
Trying to take your allin pre flips Vs players as good as or better than you
Etc
are part of the reason my sustained MTT roi is markedly higher than other winning regs who are playing “as if it’s not rigged”: I’ve won tourneys the rig would have knocked me out of if I hadn’t exploited it.

Again, I have better results roi wise than pretty much any other MTT player on the site. And I have better MTT results $$won/tourneys played wise than all but a few players if you disregard the guys who have outlier binks in something like the huge special tourneys or the 50k.

I’m one of the few on the site who is still thousands $ profitable even if you remove my top 3 scores.

In other words: I’m not some losing player whining about the rig. On the contrary my point is that it’s not the site being rigged that is preventing anyone from winning there.

The site’s blatant dishonesty, lack of transparency, and other unethical behavior should be a far bigger concern than the rig: all evidence thus far should leave no doubts that Global will eventually—sooner than later most likely—go under and take all player funds on hand at the time with them. They’ve been unethical numerous times in scenarios where their benefit was relatively small (14.8k for instance by halving the overlay payout in the 40k rattlesnake and lying about it ) ....you’d be crazy to think their last act when they shut the doors will be “let’s make sure we get this 300k or so worth of player funds back to the customers”
ESPECIALLY when the customer has no legal leg to demand it bc they paid for gold coins....not deposited to a gambling site.

So at some point in time Global will be taking deposits with no intent to honor payouts. With a week or more delay between request and receive of cashouts they will probably be able to go 7-14 days of “money grab” at the end. I’d expect lucrative deposit bonus offers (like the recent 600 for 500), a new series with larger guarantees, etc to drive up deposits right before they run.

With the overlays and the seemingly newer players + some regs have left there is still money to be made on Global.
It’s a game of relative risk between now and then to try to get any large balance/new scores out and realize you’re almost certain to make one or two small deposits past the date they are knowingly negatively freerolling you.

Seems pretty ludicrous to imagine that a site incapable of fixing many simple bugs would be capable of rigging the RNG on such a massive scale, but hey.

The winrate for good players on Global is shockingly high. This absolutely HURTS the site. It reduces rake, it reduces the lifespan of new depositors. It makes it LESS FUN for recreational players.

The only riggie bs that is even threadworthy would be the time honored classic, the “doom switch” which is mostly absent in this thread.

Can we not have some doom switchies represent itt?

Imagine if you didn't know how to exploit their software - your stats would be pretty average. You might be a better IT guy then poker player.

And in real time, making instant adjustments for every player. Sure.

Yet to hear a riggie theory to show the benefit to the network, well....one that makes sense.

At least that guy puts some thought and effort into his crazy, which also makes it more entertaining to read as well. So much better than a hardened self described pro latching onto a level 0 riggies for dummies theory like action hands.

If this guy believes he is folding KK into the sunset and winning because of it, then good on him for standing behind his beliefs with his likely massively -EV behavior. His opponents salute him as well for his good work.

Most riggie theories make the site no money, in fact they usually cost the site money. Some riggies even suggest that the rigs are not about money. Debating logic with that is not fun. Praising a person who writes a proclamation about how to fold KK to exploit the rig is much more amusing!

This is strong.

Who are these locksmiths??

One guy points out geared & rigged are synonyms.

Holy crap. I can see why u saved this dagger till late in the debate.

Can we cross post this chat in main rig thread?

Do u have more Skype chats?

ruetama, you aren't even profitable in freezeouts so why do you keep yapping about how good you are. Anyone can "profit" in rebuys where you max rebuy/addon and most of the field doesn't. And why do you keep saying sustainable when global has been around about a year. You really think that is the long term?

Can you give us a list of who is better than who on global so we know who we should take flips against?

This reminds me of people who call anyone who disagrees with them "nazis" politically. Then moments later... the same person claims OTHER people are paranoid.

Or, maybe some people simply see a problem here? I'm not a "riggie" per se, but I also have very little trust in the indsutry wrought with fraud to deal cards fairly.

Again, no one can prove anything because we can't track anything at Global, obviously by design. So, the conversation comes down to simply... do you trust an industry with a horrible history to do you right... when you have no real ability to fact check them.

It's a faith issue really. Because there simply isn't any way to prove a case.
I've hedged my position by playing small stakes, winning... but choosing to stay at smaller stakes until the compnay is more forthcoming with data.

Perhaps you're just a degenrate gambler who doesn't know how to hold a real job and maybe has a drug problem or something? No offense, it's just you know... most online poker stepford wives are slaves to their master.

All the best.

The problem with that though is we are up to none as far as sites that have been caught rigging the game. Every site has been accused of it, most provide hand histories, none have been shown to do anything of the sort.

The scamminness comes from outright stealing. That is far easier and more profitable for a thieving network than trying to rig the game for extra rake. The extra rake doesn't really exist over the long run anyway.

Global has some pretty piss poor decision making behind the scenes and they outright lie in their emails. They pay out with no issues, once the **** is setup at the customer's inconvenience. Global licenses the software, thwy don't write it.

This is plausible, and again.. I'm not claiming to know if it's rigged or not.
I'm saying card action has felt incredibly odd in stretches, both directions.
Plenty of possible explanations for this. However, for me... I'd feel much more comfortable waging any kind of stakes that matter with a site that was forthcoming with all stats/HH. To even build a case of legitimacy or fraud.. you have to start somewehre.

Personally I don't believe that because no one has been caught influencing card dealing that its never happened. It's just that other scams and inadequacies were easier to spot.

This is baffling to me. But, I can't claim to know the underpinnings of how other platforms operate. It just seems very clunky and suspect. FTP, for all of their issues... did software updates almost daily back in the day.

Global licenses from Cubeia, as does Nitro (I believe) without the riggie claims like here. There some Android apps for poker and they tell you straight out there is no RNG, their intent is to make it 'exciting'.

Stealing the money is easier and more profitable. Why take 20% of players funds via rigged rake when they can take 100% of it and live in the Seychelles. Global reports to regulatory agencies. If their intent was to steal, why put themselves under a microscope voluntarily? Stay private, go off-shore, use bogus frontmen, and steal the funds.

As someone said above, this is the same company that cannot fix little glitches or even have the wherewithal to tell players to send their ACH routing info. Instead, they opted to lie about how players demanded the change and it was overwhelmingly praised. I think HH discussion is a viable thing, as a real discussion on professionalism and truthfulness.

I just shipped $200 into $100 on the turn @ 1/2, after 3 betting her on the flop HU, got called (she covered me) with an up and down draw, spiked the river. $200 into $100, HU, on the turn.

I'm generally not a guy who calls rigged, and I hate conspiracy theories, but can someone possibly be that bad? She then sat out for 20 minutes before leaving the table or being removed.

You are saying it’s massively -EV to fold KK when someone else has AA? Again, I’m 7/7 at this with 6/7 the AA being shown in the replayer/video/screenshot

People like you lie all the time about stuff like this, so I don't believe your claims. You can find a post of a guy who claimed to have lost with his AA 30 times in a row pre-flop. Lots of other people have claimed things happen to them that were more unlikely than winning the Powerball lottery every day for a year.

There is basically a 0% chance that you could from a new starting point stream live and demonstrate that the next 7 times you fold of KK that would then show the opponent has AA 6+ times in the replayer (before you knew what their hand was obviously). Claiming you did this in the past without proof is meaningless, and it reminds me of a riggie long ago who used to say the letter "D" at the table when he knew a cooler was coming pre flop. He posted a lot of hands showing he did this (which of course basically told the table he had a AK/JJ+ hand, but whatever. Problem was that PTR tracked Stars at the time and suddenly others posted a ton of hands where he still said "D" but his AK beat KQ or won a flip etc, so all he was doing was showing cherry picked "D" hands. He stopped posting "D" hands once all the PTR hands were posted as people laughed at him.

Anyway, if you offered to do that as a prop bet (and this could be at any stakes, even nano) - you could easily book 6 or 7 figures in action with you getting significant odds on it, although you would of course have to put money in escrow (since nobody would believe you would ever pay when you lost).


Needless to say, tons of riggies before you have made look at this crazy thing I do to exploit the rig claims, and to date not a single one has actually proven it, when doing so would make them a fortune (assuming they were correct with their superpower abilities). You will not be the first oen to break that tradition.

Whether you fold KK or not (likely you are lying about all the folds, but who really cares), I do like that you are genuinely crazy about your belief, and I hope you continue to build on it and explain it here. You will eventually become un-entertaining (happens to all riggies), but enjoy the time until that happens!

All the best.

If that were the case you would have just posted the screenshots

Why not show proof with pics first before writing anything

I've never seen monteroy lose a debate on this topic

Surely posting evidence would win against him

Looking back thru the Facebook group I easily
Found 3.

https://play.globalpoker.com/poker-c...4b0579e0908788
AA gets shown

https://play.globalpoker.com/poker-c...4b053c67bceb73
July 5th Thursday throttle. I ended up going on to getting 2nd
Player complained in chat “AA” and gave angry emoji.

And a screenshot I took on final table of $5r 11:15 1.5k I ended up winning. Open folded KK 7 handed with 111k at 4k/8k utg +1. 150k stack opens to 18k on cutoff (standard open had been shove or min). Blinds fold. I ask him if he had AA next hand and he said yes a couple hands later when he saw my question. I don’t know how to post pics here now that photobucket is extinct

So you claimed that it happened 6 of the last 7 times, and now your evidence is showing a single example where you limp fold KK where an opponent has AA, and another where again you simply fold KK (so now everyone knows your fold to 3 bet range is KK- heh) and your proof that the other player had AA was that you claim he said something. Most players if they said they had AA there are likely lying because they want people to continue to fold to their aggression to accumulate chips. Your third example is just a story.

Cliffs:

You said you folded KK 7 times, and 6 of those times an opponent showed AA. You proved this by showing a single example of this happening, and another hand of you folding KK with the opponent mucking, and a third weird story that you cannot show because you do not know how to post a picture. Heh.

This is why I say people like you lie all the time about stuff like this. Am I surprised you LOLfold KK so easily? Nah, not really, some riggies believe in and do some really weird stuff at times. One insisted he open folded 100% of button hands because button hands were rigged against him. Anyway, I knew you would never show 6 examples of an opponent showing AA, and you certainly will NEVER explore the prop bet I suggested of you showing how you will do it again in the future when you cannot cherry pick hands.

Regardless, keep folding KK to victory in your mind. Write a book about the strategy when you have time. Maybe say "D" in the chat when doing this as a nod to an old school riggie.

All the best.


Edit to add: I found the "D" riggie (took a couple searches). Looks like he knew when to fold QQ just like you knew how to fold KK! He also included some creative math calculations to his situation, so consider this guy the standard for your style of riggie beliefs.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=43190

Of course once a lot of other "D" hands were posted where he won that took some of the steam from his passion, so try to be more careful in how you cherry pick stuff to present. Do not fall into his trap!

Do you know of another “riggie” with my MTT results?
Actually....how are your MTT results on Global compared to mine?
I don’t know your screenname but I’ll freeroll you $10 on PayPal if you have higher profit than me with our largest cash removed or if you have over 100% roi with over a 200game sample.

For what it’s worth, I don’t really care whether you believe me or not. I have posted 7 total hands where I folded, I said I quickly skimmed the forum and found those 3. The other 4 are on there somewhere.
There is no cherrypicking and there are plenty of hands I’ve won with KK. I don’t just blindly fold it or even play it cautiously. I only Consider folding it when specific dynamics are met ...and even then haven’t folded it every time. I have folded QQ once and got to see I was up against JJ.

Also fwiw I’m not suggesting people should really care if it’s rigged ....I’m saying you can still make good money just by playing solid poker there.

Definitely. Can think of 3 off the top of my head I backed over the years that had much better results over a much longer period of time. One was an MTT players, 2 were SnG guys (one I coached in DoNs long ago). Not sure what that matters, but it seems to for you. Many more over the years who posted their personalized crazy had better results than you (in terms of money made) as well.

I have never played on Global. I have played in the past on quite a few rooms, and I guess I am amused you think your results are that spectacular.


Wow, $10? I guess you are ready for some serious prop bets...

If it makes you feel better, I won a Rolex worth about as much as your lifetime winnings on Global in a single tournament on Pokerplex back in the day. Here is a link:

http://www.pokerplex.com/tournament_winners.shtml

My user name on that room was Stabbies. You can read my comments about it, you may recognize the writing style. You can donate the $10 on paypal to a charity of your choice in the name of Stabbies.

You seem to be pretty upset that I pointed out you showed a total of 1 KK hand after promising 6. I also showed you how you could make a fortune via a prop bet if your beliefs were true, but you seem to be more interested in 10 buck ego offers and ROIs over a meaningless sample of games.


Yeah, no doubt they are "somewhere." Of course the 3 you posted was really only a single hand as well, but why worry about such details in the end.

Hey, that is pretty much what the "D" riggie said many years ago! Here, let me toss in a quote from him.


Especially if you fold KK while saying "D."

All the best.