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09-11-2017 , 03:48 AM
The level of stupidity in this thread is mind boggling.
09-11-2017 , 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by theriddick
Since I haven't really looked at other threads and only commented on this one and everybody seems to have something to say can somebody please tell me how to terminate my account on this site? Thank you.
I can ban you if you like, but I don't see why we'd need to - just stop posting if you no longer wish to.

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Originally Posted by big bwalz
well done BOB you really inspired myself an others to continue paying rake when math 'doesn't own anybody anything" so ya lets all just play slots if thats the caes and decision making and analysis are completely useless according to your logic?
No, nothing in my logic implies any such thing, and you didn't understand my post very well if that's what you took out of it.
09-11-2017 , 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I can ban you if you like, but I don't see why we'd need to - just stop posting if you no longer wish to.


No, nothing in my logic implies any such thing, and you didn't understand my post very well if that's what you took out of it.
well then please elaborate on it if you dont mind? And wheres my longterm backer in this talk I can see how nobody wants to touch what im saying. I clearly wish to0 post and am having an issue that im reaching out for help trying to solve and you jsut keep on keepin on with the paying for ads schtick

Monteroy can you talk to me about this now much do I need to pay you by the hour wo watch me play and give your objective analysis? Bobo is a waste of time talking to, hes just a shill but i really wnt o solve this and an beggingfor help whato di need to do, my life literally depends on it. And ya im sure u think thats funny too Bobo and if i need to i will spew my whole life on here but nobody wants that.

Monteroy how much do i have to pay u to watch me live and i dont even want a reply from bobo thanks but no thanks ive lost all respect fgor your thoughts its fine but your a shill spokesperon and therefore i cant trust you, unless you wanna cut me in on some of your revenue for spewing what myself and the vast majority of the poker community consider bs with wpn and ps and now GP

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I can ban you if you like, but I don't see why we'd need to - just stop posting if you no longer wish to.


No, nothing in my logic implies any such thing, and you didn't understand my post very well if that's what you took out of it.
Imo thats a stupid relpy with no actual info, to defend your previous post with stupid and litttle to no info that i called u out for and asked for clarification. I guess i could jsut say im better than everybody and offer no prof or validation come oni dude isnt 2+2paying for better mods than this what a joke

ya u and the 2+2 mods ans its reps are rally kicking as wish this one, best and m,ost helpful reply I've sen so far was from a fellow grinder Adewd, so much for industry insiders y'all are basically useless at this point in the poker economy I feel that wasted my time even trying to talk to yall, =Monteroy ignored my post when he replied this a, and Bobo is bein bobo

HEY BODBO WANNA WATCH ME PLAY WHILE I RECORD IT TOMORROW AND THEN YOU COULD HAVE SOME DATA SO SPEAK ABOUT? i KNOW MONTEROY'S NOT GONNA WANNA DO IT SO WHO ARE THE PEOPPLE THAT WANNA WATCH, IM READY TO LIVE STREAM IT. lets solve THIS RIGHT NOW YALL SAY THE RIGGIE WILL NEVER PUT IP, ILL PLAY TOMM EVENING 3PM PAC TIME TILL TRAFFIC DIES LIKE I ALWAYS DO SO WHO WHAT NOW? i REALIZE ITS A SMALL SAMPLE FOR ONE SESSION THATS ALSO WHAT IM COUNTING ON IS THE SAME BS IVE SEEN FOR WEEKS HAPPENING IF SOMEBODY WATCHES. iLL ALSO SHOW MY PAYPAl ACCT AND WD HISTORY IVE BEEN KILLIN IT BUT SOMETHING IS OFF SINE THE LST SOFTWARE UPDATE BUT people have COMPLAINED BEFORE.

lET ME PAY FOR A N AGREED UPON SECOND OPINION I DONT WANT IT TO BE RIGGED EITHER BUT i NEED HELP AT THIS POINT AND bobo'S SNARKY REPLIES SURE ARENT HELPING. iTS ALL FUN AN GAMES UNTIL PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY MORTGAGES AND UTIL BILLS, NOT SO CUTE AND FUNNY NOW IS IT MONTEROY AND BOBO?

Last edited by Mike Haven; 09-11-2017 at 12:43 PM. Reason: 4 posts merged
09-11-2017 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by big bwalz
HEY BODBO WANNA WATCH ME PLAY WHILE I RECORD IT TOMORROW AND THEN YOU COULD HAVE SOME DATA SO SPEAK ABOUT? i KNOW MONTEROY'S NOT GONNA WANNA DO IT SO WHO ARE THE PEOPPLE THAT WANNA WATCH, IM READY TO LIVE STREAM IT. lets solve THIS RIGHT NOW YALL SAY THE RIGGIE WILL NEVER PUT IP, ILL PLAY TOMM EVENING 3PM PAC TIME TILL TRAFFIC DIES LIKE I ALWAYS DO SO WHO WHAT NOW? i REALIZE ITS A SMALL SAMPLE FOR ONE SESSION THATS ALSO WHAT IM COUNTING ON IS THE SAME BS IVE SEEN FOR WEEKS HAPPENING IF SOMEBODY WATCHES. iLL ALSO SHOW MY PAYPAl ACCT AND WD HISTORY IVE BEEN KILLIN IT BUT SOMETHING IS OFF SINE THE LST SOFTWARE UPDATE BUT people have COMPLAINED BEFORE.

lET ME PAY FOR A N AGREED UPON SECOND OPINION I DONT WANT IT TO BE RIGGED EITHER BUT i NEED HELP AT THIS POINT AND bobo'S SNARKY REPLIES SURE ARENT HELPING. iTS ALL FUN AN GAMES UNTIL PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY MORTGAGES AND UTIL BILLS, NOT SO CUTE AND FUNNY NOW IS IT MONTEROY AND BOBO?
I am game, although could it just be thrown on youtube or saved as an mp4 file? That way schedules don't have to work out perfectly. I have a webserver I can throw it one once the recording is done and people can download it from there with a link.
09-11-2017 , 10:49 AM
In this thread big bwalz has a mental breakdown. Stop playing on the site if you think it's rigged. Really is that simple.
09-11-2017 , 11:44 AM


But this is out of control... four hands with four one outers after flopping/turning the essential nuts. This coming on the heels of taking down the 10k yesterday for $3100.

I know someone else mentioned the alarming amount of suckouts they've seen after cashing out big. Perhaps there is something to this. Down 2k in 4 hours. Sick.


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09-11-2017 , 11:59 AM
so you're down 5 buyins in PLO in 4 hours...Doesn't get more standard than that. This was actually a 2 outer. Also, solid hand selection pre.
09-11-2017 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I can ban you if you like, but I don't see why we'd need to - just stop posting if you no longer wish to.

I don't know why I can't just select choose to end my account without having to be banned, but with all due respect go ahead and ban me if that's the only way to end association with the site. I do not foresee using it as it has done little to nothing in regards to helping me solve my issues, and I do not want to receive any emails down the road (not to say that you guys do that on this site but I want to nip it in the bud regardless. I got a promo from Global Poker this weekend and they not only terminated my account but kept the money that was in it, so the message was fruitless and pointless. That's the kind of thing I'm trying to avoid from any site if I can). Thank you in advance.
09-11-2017 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Rutledge Smitty
so you're down 5 buyins in PLO in 4 hours...Doesn't get more standard than that.


Lol let me clarify. I'm not sitting here whining about that. That parts 100% normal, it's just the way it's happening is unusual. Used to boat over boat or flushed out but damn.


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09-11-2017 , 01:59 PM
Just checked my history and I currently after I cashout of 5 total cashouts (sick brag I know) one of them I lost the next day. The other 4 I won for an average of 4.25 days after I cashed out before having a losing session. And when I had those losing sessions, I never dropped back down to the amount I had just after I cashed out (Although my winning sessions do tend to be smaller than my losing sessions, but I know the reason for that, and cashouts aren't related. Its a leak in my game I am working on.)

So with all of that said (and understanding my example is just one and in no way provides any statistical significance, as all individual stories tend to be) I disagree and say I still think it is just variance.

One other thing that should be looked at (and I am not saying this is you Greystreet) but people tend to "feel" there is the withdraw curse because they pull more out of their roll then they should compared to the stakes they continue to play. For example.

I take $50 and play the .05/.10 stakes and run it up to $1000 while continuing to move up in stakes. Now I play the .25/.50 games and go to make a withdraw. I withdraw $500 leaving $500 behind, but i don't move down in stakes. I keep playing the .25/.50 sessions. I lose 3 buy-ins, also known as a Tuesday, and suddenly I feel like my $1000 turned into $350 and the withdraw curse must be real.

Good luck all the same, hopefully the variance turns around for you.
09-11-2017 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by big bwalz
well then please elaborate on it if you dont mind?
What would like me to elaborate on?

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Originally Posted by big bwalz
And wheres my longterm backer in this talk I can see how nobody wants to touch what im saying. I clearly wish to0 post and am having an issue that im reaching out for help trying to solve and you jsut keep on keepin on with the paying for ads schtick
I couldn't say where someone else is or isn't, and I have no idea what you mean by "keep on keepin on with the paying for ads schtick".

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Originally Posted by big bwalz
Monteroy can you talk to me about this now much do I need to pay you by the hour wo watch me play and give your objective analysis? Bobo is a waste of time talking to, hes just a shill but i really wnt o solve this and an beggingfor help whato di need to do, my life literally depends on it. And ya im sure u think thats funny too Bobo and if i need to i will spew my whole life on here but nobody wants that.

Monteroy how much do i have to pay u to watch me live and i dont even want a reply from bobo thanks but no thanks ive lost all respect fgor your thoughts its fine but your a shill spokesperon and therefore i cant trust you, unless you wanna cut me in on some of your revenue for spewing what myself and the vast majority of the poker community consider bs with wpn and ps and now GP
Why do you ask me to elaborate, and then immediately go on to say that I'm a waste of time to talk to?

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Originally Posted by big bwalz
Imo thats a stupid relpy with no actual info, to defend your previous post with stupid and litttle to no info that i called u out for and asked for clarification. I guess i could jsut say im better than everybody and offer no prof or validation come oni dude isnt 2+2paying for better mods than this what a joke
No, you didn't ask for clarification. You made the first in what has become a string of sarcasm-laced posts which ask me nothing related to my point:

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Originally Posted by big bwalz
well done BOB you really inspired myself an others to continue paying rake when math 'doesn't own anybody anything" so ya lets all just play slots if thats the caes and decision making and analysis are completely useless according to your logic?
And FWIW, mods are volunteers, but I don't understand how that relates to anything in this thread, as mods aren't here to answer every question you have - their role is to deal with spam, abusive posts, keeping threads on topic, etc. Of course, just like any other poster, if they know the answer to something or see a topic that interests them, they may decide to chime in, but there's no expectation that they will do so more than anyone else.

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Originally Posted by big bwalz
ya u and the 2+2 mods ans its reps are rally kicking as wish this one, best and m,ost helpful reply I've sen so far was from a fellow grinder Adewd, so much for industry insiders y'all are basically useless at this point in the poker economy I feel that wasted my time even trying to talk to yall, =Monteroy ignored my post when he replied this a, and Bobo is bein bobo
I've had a request that you stop using real names instead of screen names (I've changed the name in question in this post).

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Originally Posted by big bwalz
HEY BODBO WANNA WATCH ME PLAY WHILE I RECORD IT TOMORROW AND THEN YOU COULD HAVE SOME DATA SO SPEAK ABOUT?
No, not really, thanks.

Perhaps rather than elaborating on I don't know what, what you actually need me to do is remind you of what I was posting about earlier.

My reply to you only addressed one point - your suggestion that because of your -EV run, someone should be able to tell you when that run should end. I explained that past results don't affect future ones, and expanded on that when you replied to me. That's it. I haven't said a word about Global's RNG as I've never played there, and I haven't suggested you should or shouldn't play on that site or any other. How my explaining a single concept of probability translates to me shilling and encouraging you to play somewhere or warrants these accusations and insults, I have no idea.

If you think a site is rigged, you should stop playing there. My only suggestion is that you should make sure you're doing so based on solid evidence.

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Originally Posted by big bwalz
i KNOW MONTEROY'S NOT GONNA WANNA DO IT SO WHO ARE THE PEOPPLE THAT WANNA WATCH, IM READY TO LIVE STREAM IT. lets solve THIS RIGHT NOW YALL SAY THE RIGGIE WILL NEVER PUT IP, ILL PLAY TOMM EVENING 3PM PAC TIME TILL TRAFFIC DIES LIKE I ALWAYS DO SO WHO WHAT NOW? i REALIZE ITS A SMALL SAMPLE FOR ONE SESSION THATS ALSO WHAT IM COUNTING ON IS THE SAME BS IVE SEEN FOR WEEKS HAPPENING IF SOMEBODY WATCHES. iLL ALSO SHOW MY PAYPAl ACCT AND WD HISTORY IVE BEEN KILLIN IT BUT SOMETHING IS OFF SINE THE LST SOFTWARE UPDATE BUT people have COMPLAINED BEFORE.

lET ME PAY FOR A N AGREED UPON SECOND OPINION I DONT WANT IT TO BE RIGGED EITHER BUT i NEED HELP AT THIS POINT AND bobo'S SNARKY REPLIES SURE ARENT HELPING. iTS ALL FUN AN GAMES UNTIL PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY MORTGAGES AND UTIL BILLS, NOT SO CUTE AND FUNNY NOW IS IT MONTEROY AND BOBO?
There's been nothing snarky about any of my replies, at least not intentionally. I've certainly not been the one name-calling or making unfounded accusations.

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Originally Posted by theriddick
I don't know why I can't just select choose to end my account without having to be banned, but with all due respect go ahead and ban me if that's the only way to end association with the site. I do not foresee using it as it has done little to nothing in regards to helping me solve my issues, and I do not want to receive any emails down the road (not to say that you guys do that on this site but I want to nip it in the bud regardless. I got a promo from Global Poker this weekend and they not only terminated my account but kept the money that was in it, so the message was fruitless and pointless. That's the kind of thing I'm trying to avoid from any site if I can). Thank you in advance.
I'm not sure how else you intended for us to end your account. Unless you were thinking we'd delete it as if it never existed, which would then leave a bunch of replies to your posts looking rather nonsensical without your posts there any longer. I don't think you have much to worry about in terms of emails, so you might want to keep your account for future use, but if you really want me to ban you still, send me a PM. I'm fairly certain you wouldn't see any emails if you were banned, but I can edit your email address when I ban you if it would make you feel better.
09-11-2017 , 04:04 PM
this thread is awesome keep it going I had 3 losses with quads to sf totally standard nonsense.
09-11-2017 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeckoRiver
this thread is awesome keep it going I had 3 losses with quads to sf totally standard nonsense.
I just found this thread. All I can say is wow after scrolling 4 pages back. I don't know if i should laugh or......my head is starting to throb.
09-11-2017 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeckoRiver
I just found this thread. All I can say is wow after scrolling 4 pages back. I don't know if i should laugh or......my head is starting to throb.
Oh you've missed some real beauts if you really went back far enough. One guy claimed that GP pre-determined the winner of every single hand PRIOR to the start of the hand. It magically knew who would be in the hand at showdown, super Artificial Intelligence I guess. Someone else thought that if you flip a coin 500,000 times you would have runs of 100 straight tails or heads.

Some pure comedy if you scroll back far enough.
09-12-2017 , 02:08 PM
Lol. Chopstix you play so bad...
09-12-2017 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by a dewd
There are a alot of people on the site with no poker experience and that is the biggest reason for the goofy and poor play.

The rest is just nonsense. I know plenty of people that have done very well on the site. The lack of having a HUD is impacting a fair amount of the online regs.
I was winning over 30bb/100 for over 85k hands. Once this update came or w/e, I cashed out and was never allowed to win another hand. Every single hand is an insane suck out.

No hyperbole. It's not easy to go from 30bb/100 to losing 15 buy-ins in 1,500 hands in holdem. Lowest variance style ever. Supreme nit. It takes the sickest suck outs and setups of all time to accomplish this.

I'm at around 95k hands. I'd like to play, but... I mean... it's a funny site. You go from not making any hands for hours, to all the sudden it's 4 of a kind on every table. It's the most on/off switch site I've ever seen. Played a lot of them.
09-12-2017 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by david perron
One thing I've really found peculiar is, I've RARELY won with sets in my past 10k hands or so. I literally lose every time.
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Originally Posted by david perron
I was winning over 30bb/100 for over 85k hands. Once this update came or w/e, I cashed out and was never allowed to win another hand. Every single hand is an insane suck out.

No hyperbole. It's not easy to go from 30bb/100 to losing 15 buy-ins in 1,500 hands in holdem. Lowest variance style ever. Supreme nit. It takes the sickest suck outs and setups of all time to accomplish this.

I'm at around 95k hands. I'd like to play, but... I mean... it's a funny site. You go from not making any hands for hours, to all the sudden it's 4 of a kind on every table. It's the most on/off switch site I've ever seen. Played a lot of them.
I'm just curious - are you aware that words have actual meanings?

When you say things that obviously aren't true, but then throw out words like "literally" and "no hyperbole", you make yourself look really silly, and your posts become much less believable.
09-12-2017 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I'm just curious - are you aware that words have actual meanings?

When you say things that obviously aren't true, but then throw out words like "literally" and "no hyperbole", you make yourself look really silly, and your posts become much less believable.
How many hands do you think I was winning, when I lost 15 buy-ins in 1,500 hands?? You got me, to me... I don't think of anything as a hand, unless it was either +/- at least 25 big blinds.

I've played 94k hands, exactly, on the site. Every session has pretty much been a story of win everything or lose everything. I got 30bb/100 by simply leaving sessions early when it wasn't "for me." Unfortunately, I tried to think it was just in my head... and surely you can simply put in volume and get results.

No. You can go broke is what you can do. I looked through my hand history. It was just loss after loss. I probably set a record for the most losses with Aces in a row. Could not buy a win, even with 3 of a kind aces. I guess someone has to win the lotto and someone has to get sucked out on, on the river, when all the money is already in, about 10 times in a row.
09-13-2017 , 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by david perron
I was winning over 30bb/100 for over 85k hands. Once this update came or w/e, I cashed out and was never allowed to win another hand. Every single hand is an insane suck out.

No hyperbole. It's not easy to go from 30bb/100 to losing 15 buy-ins in 1,500 hands in holdem. Lowest variance style ever. Supreme nit. It takes the sickest suck outs and setups of all time to accomplish this.

I'm at around 95k hands. I'd like to play, but... I mean... it's a funny site. You go from not making any hands for hours, to all the sudden it's 4 of a kind on every table. It's the most on/off switch site I've ever seen. Played a lot of them.
I run red hot or red not in online poker. I haven't seen anywhere near the amount of quads and stuff people have said they've encountered here. I have seen that on another and much larger US facing site. I'm part of a discord group and I posted the screen shots. I have my 'daily hand of quads' shot and this past weekend over the course of about three hours I had one Royal and three straight flush hands playing no more than 4 tables at any one time. Like I said, I post screen shots of the hands and they are timestamped/hand #s. I cannot explain it at all. The prior three weeks I seemed to have lost every single hand I was way ahead on and consistently bubbled MTTs I was playing.

I don't play too much on Global poker, maybe 8 hours a week. Over the long haul I am sure it averages out for the most part. I have gone weeks and even months with getting crushed. Since Saturday, I am hitting everything. It seems odd, but it happens.
09-13-2017 , 10:54 AM
So... I wanted to read this thread because I actually found the argument that it's a sweepstakes draw under the guise of poker pretty compelling. But it didn't take long for it to turn into 40 pages of people pissing and moaning and demanding "evidence" of both sides.

Was there ever an actual answer from Global Poker on this matter? Did they ever confirm their RNG was certified?

(Note: My only other post on this forum is how I've cashed out winnings, so I'm not here whining, but these two answers are pretty damn important.)

Last edited by billyho1515; 09-13-2017 at 11:15 AM.
09-13-2017 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by a dewd
I run red hot or red not in online poker. I haven't seen anywhere near the amount of quads and stuff people have said they've encountered here. I have seen that on another and much larger US facing site. I'm part of a discord group and I posted the screen shots. I have my 'daily hand of quads' shot and this past weekend over the course of about three hours I had one Royal and three straight flush hands playing no more than 4 tables at any one time. Like I said, I post screen shots of the hands and they are timestamped/hand #s. I cannot explain it at all. The prior three weeks I seemed to have lost every single hand I was way ahead on and consistently bubbled MTTs I was playing.

I don't play too much on Global poker, maybe 8 hours a week. Over the long haul I am sure it averages out for the most part. I have gone weeks and even months with getting crushed. Since Saturday, I am hitting everything. It seems odd, but it happens.
This isn't really relevant to this topic, but speaking of 4 of a kind, it just reminded me of a "1 in a million hand" I played on here. This hand was PLO, so... you know... anything can happen.

I FLOPPED 4 of a kind jacks, and I lost to a royal flush. I'm a believer in follow the patterns, regardless of whether you understand the mechanisms behind them. If someone seems to get extremely lucky early on in a session vs me, that's it for me. I've seen what's in store too many times. It's stocked full of "can you believe that?"
09-13-2017 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho1515
So... I wanted to read this thread because I actually found the argument that it's a sweepstakes draw under the guise of poker pretty compelling. But it didn't take long for it to turn into 40 pages of people pissing and moaning and demanding "evidence" of both sides.

Was there ever an actual answer from Global Poker on this matter? Did they ever confirm their RNG was certified?

(Note: My only other post on this forum is how I've cashed out winnings, so I'm not here whining, but these two answers are pretty damn important.)
When you're at the main forum page, if you click on the number of posts in a thread (over to the right of the thread title), a pop-up shows you everyone who has posted in the thread, and if you click on the number of posts they made, it shows you their posts. I did that for this thread, and found 4 replies from Global. I think this is the one most relevant to your question:

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Originally Posted by GlobalPokerCSadmin
Hello all,

I hope you are enjoying your weekend. I would like to confirm the following for you:

The RNG used by Global Poker utilises a Mersenne Twister with background cycling. This was certified by iTechLabs on 15 February 2017 who confirmed that it uses a well known algorithm to generate random numbers. The numbers generated by this RNG have passed Marsaglia's "diehard" tests for statistical randomness. iTech Labs has found that number sequences are unpredictable, non-repeatable and uniformly distributed.

If you would like more information on the Mersenne Twister please click here.

If you would like some more information on iTech Labs then please click here.

We have listened to the feedback you have provided and are currently working on an FAQ page for our website to ensure that information like this is more easily accessible in the future.

We are very proud of our site and the enjoyment that it brings to the thousands of players who play there every single day.

Thank you all for your passionate discussion about Global Poker and we look forward to seeing you at the tables!
09-13-2017 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho1515
So... I wanted to read this thread because I actually found the argument that it's a sweepstakes draw under the guise of poker pretty compelling. But it didn't take long for it to turn into 40 pages of people pissing and moaning and demanding "evidence" of both sides.

Was there ever an actual answer from Global Poker on this matter? Did they ever confirm their RNG was certified?

(Note: My only other post on this forum is how I've cashed out winnings, so I'm not here whining, but these two answers are pretty damn important.)
In addition to what Bobo said, this is the certification....

http://itechlabs.com.au/certificates...a_15022017.pdf

not sure why it isn't on their site, but it does exist.
09-13-2017 , 08:35 PM
Thanks, guys. Very helpful being able to click the posts and see specific posters and how many times they've posted.

Also glad to see there was finally an answer. Much of the discussion in here was junk, but never a good thing for there to be a legitimate concern and for it to go unanswered for days or weeks by the people affiliated with the poker site.
09-14-2017 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Rutledge Smitty
In this thread big bwalz has a mental breakdown. Stop playing on the site if you think it's rigged. Really is that simple.
yep that sums it up but it's not quite that simple. I've not even been able to look at this thread or subforum until tonight, and I'll reply properly and in detail tomorrow to Bobo and everyone else but he's right for the most part imo, and I apologize to him and Monteroy. Thank you to Splayaa and Adewd.

      
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