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09-22-2018 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by niosocket
ok found it: cbrig17. I've seen him on NL100 and NL200.
But honestly I agree with The Apex. Having anonymous global HH is not giving you almost any real advantage and not worth having your account banned.
Why are you making it easier for him to get punished?
09-22-2018 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
Why are you making it easier for him to get punished?
You want cheaters on the site?
09-22-2018 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
You want cheaters on the site?
I don’t consider it cheating if he’s not gaining an in game advantage. I didn’t read to see if he was using a HUD, though, which I would consider cheating.

How could simply gathering information be cheating? It may be against the rules but that’s stupid. Don’t help Global enforce dumb rules that most people don’t want.
09-22-2018 , 05:20 PM
I'm comfortable knowing people badly misapply HUD stats and never improve.
09-22-2018 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
How could simply gathering information be cheating? It may be against the rules but that’s stupid.
Why is he gathering information (whether on himself or others) in the first place? To gain knowledge right? Is gathering information in such a manner against the rules on Global? If yes, then he's definitely CHEATING.

Just because you are ok with it, doesn't mean others are too.
09-22-2018 , 07:56 PM
cheat
CHēt/
verb
gerund or present participle: cheating
1.
act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
"she always cheats at cards"
09-22-2018 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
Why are you making it easier for him to get punished?
I didn't, the guy posted his graph and sn on reddit so...
There is no real problem to figure out who is using the extension and who is not. There is an API that Hand History page is using, same API used by extension. You can see how often specific player using this API and tell with 100% accuracy who is using extension and who is not. So I guess GP has their reasons not to block people who are using it (probably because it is not really a big offense)
09-23-2018 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by genghiskan
Why is he gathering information (whether on himself or others) in the first place? To gain knowledge right? Is gathering information in such a manner against the rules on Global? If yes, then he's definitely CHEATING.

Just because you are ok with it, doesn't mean others are too.
Global provides hand histories, just not in a convenient downloadable format. He's gathering information that is freely available for personal use. My argument isn't that Global can't punish whatever behavior they want on their own site, just that we shouldn't condemn someone for breaking the rules and potentially assist in their capture/punishment. If Global wants to they can ban people for having a 'j' in their username, but it wouldn't be right.

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Originally Posted by The Apex
cheat
CHēt/
verb
gerund or present participle: cheating
1.
act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
"she always cheats at cards"
He didn't act dishonestly. He didn't act unfairly because hand histories are available to everybody. He didn't gain an in-game advantage if he didn't use a HUD (maybe he did use one though, IDK). He did not cheat.
09-23-2018 , 07:57 PM
By the way, I can't find anything in the TOS that would restrict people from compiling databases.

"2.1.8. You shall not be involved in any fraudulent, collusive, fixing or other unlawful activity in relation to your or third parties’ participation in any of the Games and you shall not use any software-assisted methods or techniques (including but not limited to bots or poker-bots designed to play automatically) or hardware devices for your participation in any of the Games. We reserve the right to invalidate any participation in the event of such behaviour."

Compiling a database of hands for study is not a "software assisted technique for participation in any of the games." When one is using a database they are not participating in any games. It only becomes a breach of TOS when I use something like a HUD. Studying my game and looking for leaks, or even looking for leaks of other players by using a database is not against the rules anywhere I can find. Did I miss it?
09-23-2018 , 08:00 PM
niosocket seems to be the type of guy at a baseball game to snitch on someone behind him sneaking in beers to the stadium.

Not very nice!
09-23-2018 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
By the way, I can't find anything in the TOS that would restrict people from compiling databases.

"2.1.8. You shall not be involved in any fraudulent, collusive, fixing or other unlawful activity in relation to your or third parties’ participation in any of the Games and you shall not use any software-assisted methods or techniques (including but not limited to bots or poker-bots designed to play automatically) or hardware devices for your participation in any of the Games. We reserve the right to invalidate any participation in the event of such behaviour."

Compiling a database of hands for study is not a "software assisted technique for participation in any of the games." When one is using a database they are not participating in any games. It only becomes a breach of TOS when I use something like a HUD. Studying my game and looking for leaks, or even looking for leaks of other players by using a database is not against the rules anywhere I can find. Did I miss it?
Yes, you’re looking in the terms of use. It’s in the cardroom rules here:
https://globalpoker.com/page/card-room-rules

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THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE AND PLAYING TOOLS

Global Poker prohibits the use of the following (and similar) types of tools and services in conjunction with its games:
Bots or any tool or service that plays without human intervention or reduces the requirement of a human playing.
Any tool or service that shares hole card information with other players or services.
Any tool or service that manipulates hand histories to display other players dealt into the hand or the holdings of other players.
Any tool or service that uses a central database of player profiles, hands played or private results.
Any tool or service that is targeted towards the manipulation of opponents in games limiting your selection of tables to play on.
Any tool or service that enables real-time advice or commentary on the current game state.
Data mining activities such as, building a database of hand histories in which you did not participate.
Any other program provided by a source other than Global Poker that is used to record or collate a players hand data, individual or otherwise.
If Global Poker considers that a player has breached, or attempted to breach, any of the rules above, Global Poker may take any action or carry out penalties as it deems necessary to ensure fairness to all players. Such action may include (but is not limited to) warnings, suspensions, confiscation of bonus $weeps cash or any winnings, and the closing of your Global Poker Account or other actions as set out in our Terms of Use.
GlobalPokerJoey has explicitly stated you will be banned for using the extension in the old thread on this topic. Here’s the big thread, if you search “extension” in this forum you’ll find other threads as well.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...ight=extension

Last edited by The Apex; 09-23-2018 at 09:25 PM.
09-24-2018 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by The Apex
Yes, you’re looking in the terms of use. It’s in the cardroom rules here:
https://globalpoker.com/page/card-room-rules



GlobalPokerJoey has explicitly stated you will be banned for using the extension in the old thread on this topic. Here’s the big thread, if you search “extension” in this forum you’ll find other threads as well.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...ight=extension
That's good enough for me to not risk trying to use it. I still don't think it's cheating, but that's just semantics.

Hopefully they change this in the future. It is unenforceable if done smartly and unfair to players who only wish to improve their game.

They might as well say you're not allowed to use 2+2 strat forums. Prohibit any type of work towards being a better player. They already think they can ban "professional" players.
09-24-2018 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by InternetNiceGuy
niosocket seems to be the type of guy at a baseball game to snitch on someone behind him sneaking in beers to the stadium.

Not very nice!
Yes, that's exactly me. You nailed it.
Never said it's cheating, never said I think it's a good rule. One can go and check old topics to see that I was arguing about stupidity of this rule given that hands are anonymized.

All I wanted to see who was that smart to post on reddit something that absolutely breaking TOS.

I will repeat again. Figuring out who is using this extension and who is not is super easy for any decent software engineer.
09-24-2018 , 07:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by niosocket
ok found it: cbrig17. I've seen him on NL100 and NL200.
But honestly I agree with The Apex. Having anonymous global HH is not giving you almost any real advantage and not worth having your account banned.
Nice work
09-27-2018 , 08:54 AM
hi globes. please fix the hand history menu option. it is not showing previous pages since the update.
09-27-2018 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Tuma
hi globes. please fix the hand history menu option. it is not showing previous pages since the update.
I seem to be able to get the hand histories I want, although I do agree it is a bit more clunky to get them than it was.
09-27-2018 , 01:35 PM
Interesting new software hope it helps with some of the bugs. Looks like it might just be the lobby though.
09-27-2018 , 07:28 PM
Can anyone find the total number of tables running on the new software?
09-27-2018 , 07:42 PM
Not sure if this has been mentioned / discussed but

The hand history display, navigation, layout, basically everything about it sucks! Look to pokerstars for how to properly report hand histories on the site.

With the new layout of the lobby the $weeps balance is not updating properly in the upper right hand corner of the screen.
09-27-2018 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by yellowbastard
Not sure if this has been mentioned / discussed but

The hand history display, navigation, layout, basically everything about it sucks! Look to pokerstars for how to properly report hand histories on the site.

With the new layout of the lobby the $weeps balance is not updating properly in the upper right hand corner of the screen.
If you toggle to the icon that has 3 horizontal stripes in the upper left hand corner of the lobby it will update your cashier balance.
09-28-2018 , 12:29 AM
Correction: you might have to actually click around between the achievements, challenges etc to get it to update. I'm still experimenting with it. It does work tho
09-28-2018 , 07:02 PM
We've been over this before but my god, bigger MTTs, please!

I've been playing some MTTs on ACR and they just take forevvvvvvvvvvver. The Global MTT structure seems about perfect for people that don't want to grind MTTs all night, so there's no reason I'm aware of why there can't be a 100$ MTT at least once daily and some slightly bigger buy-ins at least once a day as well. The site can support that easily.
10-01-2018 , 12:27 PM
Hi,

I would like to suggest increasing the minimum buyin for the 10-20 games. 500-3000 is too large and 1000-3000 or 1500-3000 would be better, I think.

Thanks!
10-01-2018 , 01:32 PM
Please add this goddamn sit in on the next bb button. Like if I need to hit a bathroom I sit out on all the tables. So I want to sit in on the next bb. This software will kick you out just before the right moment. Tilting.
10-01-2018 , 02:09 PM
Make bigger sngs. Theres 10/20 plo but only one 200 6 max sng

      
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