Someone asked how the extension works. The developer if he's not banned from 2+2 for advertising it or if he serves his time and comes back will have to explain.

But my understanding from what he posted before is this... there is a rudimentary HH in GP for cash games. Since you are adopting an extension in your browser, it is either pulling that data or screen scraping it in some fashion. Then the data is housed in his server where he has a script that converts it into a PokerTracker importable hand history format, which he then siphons back to you.

There are some obvious red flags with this, which would need explaining from the developer imo. First, while you will get the data back for the hands you play, he will have all the data from all the extension users at his disposal, which could be used by him obviously during play, or more disturbingly, sold as data bundles to prospective buyers who want to get a quick dump of X large volume of hands. And in a worst case scenario (not sure how the process works with the extension or how quickly the data flow moves through the system), if things process fast enough he could in theory be getting your hole card information in enough real time to be usable live against you.

Caveat emptor. Personally I would need to see a lot more info before installing this extension on the browser I use for playing GP.

And this! Just saw this, it's akin to what I just posted, and is possible as well.

Not to suggest the person who developed this thing is up to no good. Just that it seems like a bevy of red flags with the potential.

so has anyone actually tried it or is all of this just guessing

Try it and report back.
J/K . Don't install a browser extension or anything else that is is going to send real-time card/hand information to a 3rd party. The developers may have the best intentions and be truthful %100, but it is akin to putting a bullseye on yourself for hackers looking to turn a few bucks to see.

Anyone try this out yet?

What follows is a private message conversation I had with GlobalPokerCSadmin:

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Thank you for your help, I have worked out the issue with PayPal purchases.


Have a question for you this Global Poker Enhancement Suite to download hands. Is it allowed? I ask because the developer said 2+2 closed his account and banned him at your companies direction (I am aware this is only speculation on his part) .

Thanks for your time
Oakdale

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Hi OakDale,

Glad the PayPal issue got resolved.

We strongly oppose the use of these products.

Thanks for playing at Global Poker!

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So its not banned just strongly opposed? I'm asking because I want to know if someone could use this software to track my play. If they can use it then I suppose I will need to.

Please give me a straight answer. I am not a fan of double speak or using words to imply something that isn't true.


The question is: Is this type of software banned?

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Hi Oakdale,

We are currently updating our Terms of Service. The new program will show this to be banned.

As they are not out yet at this stage they are just 'strongly opposed'.

I used the 'double speak' as I wanted to make sure you didn't spend money on something that would be banned in the very near future.

Thanks

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Thank you for your response. It's just frustrating to be told conflicting things.

Is there going to be any way to download hand histories in the future. I ask because I have been playing online poker since the dial up modem days on Party Poker and have seen what unscrupulous sites have allowed to happen. The only way to know for certain you are not being cheated is to be able to see your hand histories.

Thank you for all your time and straight forward response.

Oakdale

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We are looking at a way we can develop hand histories that players can use but that don't enable HUDs.

This is the hard part, we would love to give players data to analyze their own play but when they use it to exploit others it goes against what we are trying to achieve as a site.

I can assure we are working on this. I don't know how long it will take but as soon as we have something we will let you know!

It seems like this could be accomplished just by making the "net result" column something we can interact with. Click it and it sort by greatest win or loss.

https://ibb.co/fjfPUv

I am all for not allowing HUDs even though I don't think they are as bad for the game as other people around here seem to believe. I think collusion, seat scripters, mass multitablers, rakeback grinders and botters are the bigger issues with other sites.

The thing I would have an issue with is not being able to analyze other people's data. As much as I'd love to be able to put my trust in the company to weed out the cheaters, it has been proven at the biggest sites that sometimes the biggest cheaters are only brought to light by the players themselves being able to find anomalies using their database of statistics on the cheaters.

So the players would have to put blind faith in the company or the company would have to allow players some ability to analyze and exploit other players. Anyone have another solution?

i just wanna collect hand histories, i don't care about hud. It makes it easier to track results and review hand histories. I guess their new terms of service wont allow for that

I downloaded the extension and took a peek at the source. Your conception of how it works is more or less accurate. It's downloading the hand history from Global Poker's API and passing it on to the developer's servers. It's not real time, the hand history is only processed when the user chooses to do so, and it's not inspecting hole cards or harvesting passwords or anything like that. What the developer does with the data is a great question and I personally wouldn't send my hand history to a third party. There's no technical reason you couldn't do the conversion in the browser extension.

Thanks for taking a look at the code, and +1 to this exact comment. I really don't see why I need to send hand histories to a 3rd party other than

1. He wants to keep the subscription model going and let that revenue keep flowing in (which imo is what is happening)

2. Even if they aren't looking at hole cards (I trust you can see that pretty easily in the code) they absolutely can still be collecting the history of how you play and how the players who play against you play when cards are shown. Plus all of the other stats which would give them a HUGE edge.

And now with Global saying they will ban it outright, and just can't see the upside of "reviewing hand histories" being good enough to outweigh all of this.

+1 on being able to weed out cheaters.
Slight disagreement on the HUD issue. I believe the mass multi table grinders are enabled by HUDs.

Sure they're helped by them. All I was saying is there's much bigger issues than huds. I think limiting table numbers has a far larger impact than not allowing huds. I'm all for a site that doesn't allow them though.

He was banned for spamming, as was explained to him more than once.

When he asked about paying to advertise his software, I told him:

Basically he gets access to all of our hand histories which makes us vulnerable should he or friends of his decide to play against us.



I'm not going to use it anyway.

I have a clunky solution for reviewing hands. Copy and paste all the table data from the hand histories into an excel sheet. It is very cumbersome especially when collecting data from long sessions. From there you can title the columns and sort by greatest wins or loses. You can even sort by the time the hand was dealt. Once you have the dealt time, you can then go back to the hand history feature on global poker and filter by the time the hand was dealt. Viola. Super clunky hand reviews.

You all need to take off the tin-foil hats and relax on the browser extension. You should be FAR more worried about playing on a site that will not let you database hands and identify cheating, botting, multi-accounting, chipdumps, collusion, unfair or poorly written "rng" and the list goes on and on. Yes, many of those terms fall under the same umbrella, but things have happened under each name, countless times.

This has been a staple since I started playing in 2004. You get to keep your hand histories. I cannot even begin to count the amount of times these things have happened. Nate Silver became a John Wayne-like legend on the poker frontier because of the data we were able to collect. Unless I misremember, he even was a consultant to Stars one several fronts. No coincidence that this kept them the most honest of the 100's of platforms we've had since 2000.

Hand histories are a must. No excuse. In this industry sites and players are guilty until proven innocent. No HH's means no accountability.

Frankly, 2p2 needs to remove them from the site if basic functions like this are not in place to protect players.

Every site has had industry leading security and detection. They have all had a scandal at some point. I can assure you that there is corrupt play on Global right now, no matter how sure Global is that they are stopping it. And I bet it runs up the to 2k games.

There is corrupt play on any online poker site, period. As a matter of fact, there is corruption any time significant amount of money is involved when greedy people want to get more than just their piece of the pie. You need to take your paranoia hat off. Without proof that there is more cheating on global than say ignition or ACR, basically all of your points are moot and it's just a conspiracy you can't prove (whether or not there is more cheating on one site than another). Talking about this kind of thing is rather pointless, and in the end it all boils down to which site you prefer playing on.

Admitting that it's happening, let alone describing it as something happening everywhere and at all times, and then referring to this as a conspiracy - makes everything you typed... just words.

Do better.

These are two separate and distinct issues. The issue at hand is, if you use this extension you are sending your hand history to a third party. That isn't tinfoily, anyone with basic knowledge of Javascript can verify this. We don't know exactly what the developer is doing with our hand histories, and the developer is under no obligation to tell us. I also find it ironic that you tell us to ditch the conspiracy theories and then suggest that Global's lack of downloadable hand histories is on purpose.

The developer and his extension are not topical. They are changing the T&C. The topic is that there is now a platform that allows you no possible way to review their processes or hold their policies and programming accountable. 2p2 should have policy where they openly condone this.

I do think it is intentional. They want recs, and do not care if regs are on the site. They are not the mission. They have said this on these forums. It is, frankly, refreshing to hear it from the horses mouth, for once. Regs always feel entitled in a universe where they are but a number and individually, a fraction of a percent in a player pool.

Right, and you have zero proof so everything you just posted is....just words. Your monkey theory on how there is more cheating on Global than other sites. And it's exactly why this conversation is pointless to have. Spend less time arguing on 2+2 more time playing imo. The sky isn't falling and you sure fit the bill of a paranoid (and negative) 2+2 poster.

The extension name is literally the topic of this thread

Anyone been using this program lately? I used it in the summer and it seemed to work fine. Now, it says "xxxx hands retrieved" but it's stuck on "processing"

Looks like the hand histories no longer show the other players names, instead player #xxxx
Which is good, imo. Not interested in hud's, but definitely want something to track my own play/stats.

So are HUDs available at all on Global/is anyone using them?

Thanks