While this doesn't take away from your overall point, if there has ever been substantial evidence of a super user at Poker Stars, or in fact any site outside of AP/UB, I haven't seen it - do you have a link?

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...tyler-1359054/

this is the situation I was thinking about on pokerstars. This guy hacked players computers to see there hole cards. its an extreme example for sure, but its naive to think this hasnt happened on the smaller sites imo

Ah, fair enough, thanks. Wasn't trying to be a nit, but I wanted to be sure I hadn't missed a "traditional" super user incident.

Regardless, there are definitely security downsides when it comes to no hand histories, or anonymous ones, at least from the players' perspective. You need to put all your trust in the poker site, and I can understand why that isn't something everyone is comfortable with. For better or for worse, Bodog made a similar trade-off years ago. Some people love it, some hate it, and some have just come to accept it.

That isn't the issue. Here are the facts:

1. Global allows you to view your own hand history, through their UI, which connects to their API.

2. Global keeps the player names anonymous.

3. GPES simply connects to Global's API, formats it to Pokerstars format, and allows you to import it to PT4/HM2.


It doesn't give you access to any of the other player's information. It just lets you format it in a way that you can access it through PT4/HM2. That's it.

Thanks for the explanation. That does make the banning of GPES seem more unnecessary; perhaps the thinking is anything they can do to "level the field" between complete fish/whales who wouldn't look at a hand history if it slapped them in the face, and those who take their poker even slightly more seriously, is what they want. Or possibly there's a way to tie the data to specific players (embedded player IDs?) to the hand via the API. Not sure if there would be any other reason not to allow it, unless they prefer a simple "no software" stance so they don't have to check whether programs offer automation or decision making help.

But I'm just speculating; don't mind me.

I'll get my coat.

Sort of. It seems to be very clunky, limited at at times (like now) ... I can't access any recent hands. You can prove you played poker there, but beyond that... not much else. No stats and very, very difficult to extract or organize. (Obviously by design.)

That's why I am perplexed. Either shutdown the hand history API and just do away with hand histories altogether, or let us use GPES.

Hello,

It has come obvious from this thread that the wording of this is confusing some players. To make things clearer we have added point 8 to this rule.

I hope that this clears things up.

Thanks

THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE AND PLAYING TOOLS

Global Poker prohibits the use of the following (and similar) types of tools and services in conjunction with its games:

1. Bots or any tool or service that plays without human intervention or reduces the requirement of a human playing.

2. Any tool or service that shares hole card information with other players or services.

3. Any tool or service that manipulates hand histories to display other players dealt into the hand or the holdings of other players.

4. Any tool or service that uses a central database of player profiles, hands played or private results.

5. Any tool or service that is targeted towards the manipulation of opponents in games limiting your selection of tables to play on.

6. Any tool or service that enables real-time advice or commentary on the current game state (beyond reporting data and statistics).

7. Data mining activities such as, building a database of hand histories in which you did not participate.

8. Any other program provided by a source other than Global Poker that is used to record or collate a players hand data, individual or otherwise.

OK, so now MS Paint and Notepad are banned?

Could you answer any of the questions players have asked since your previous post?

Found this interesting post from Joey from 3 months ago on reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comme...mes_in_global/

Global Poker Joey. Please acknowledge my existence. I understand you are busy. Please respond.

I will answer his question for you. NO. Global is not interested in catering to what the consumer wants. Since you do not have much of an option playing in the u.s. you will just have to deal with it. Best Regards

Assuming that Global is in business to make money, then of course they are interested in catering to what the consumer wants. Unless or until a lot of players withdraw all their money off Global because of a lack of hand histories, then they have no incentive to provide hand histories. (I don't really understanding their "thinking" [to use the term loosely] on this matter, but if Global thought it would help their bottom line to allow HUDs or whatever, they would do it.)

Bottom Line: Players won't get what they want unless the players who don't get what they want take their money elsewhere.

Gp Joe said in the "rewards" thread that our reward was the soft player pool and their continued marketing and refilling the barrel daily with fresh fish we are all shooting rapidly and harvesting from. So I guess its us against them is what im gathering?

this is 100% correct the part that concerns me is that is I get the feeling that GP feels the players base is endless and bottomless and I agree to disagree on that one.

A good way for an otherwise promising company to self-destruct to take their customers for granted.

i agree and +1 your whole post however this is a relative term as I feel GP has almost divided their view on the "consumer" in half. All this talk of marketing for new players, I see adds for GP on the other big poker forum that I can't name here, along with poker media news sites that GP is paying for articles to be written on so it's not all "fish" they're marketing to they're bringing in sharks too with their current marketing campaign.

well said thank you and that should carry a whole lot more weight coming from you as opposed to somebody like me or other long term regs.

Its easy to see the games are getting a lot more regs in the past few weeks a lone. usually the the 6 maxs have 4-5 regs in them now. So what is global gonna do when they can no longer say their rewards system is all the fish? Nobody is gonna wanna play on a site full of regs and no rakeback or point system.

they'll most likely do the same as stars, keep on keepin on with their business model so the shareholders make max profit unfortunately. As far as stars getting their casino games disguised as poker regulated in the US thats a different story. Us against them is the direction it's headed unfortunately i feel. I LOVED gp till 10/13 when they changed the stts and then I saw the light lol.

And they need to fix all these errors just get ace and hit raise 5 times and it wouldn't work just folds me. This happened a few times the past couple nights but i just figured it was me not paying attention to what i was hitting. No with aces i knew exactly what i was hitting lol

While there might be some stt players who are ambivalent about the change in the blind structure, is there ANYBODY who thinks that the new blind structure is an IMPROVEMENT over the industry standard blind structure? I haven't heard even ONE person say that they preferred the new structure. Mind-boggling. (But then again,my mind is easily boggled. )

in the spirit of honesty and as disgusting as I found it lol yes some have said they like this structure in this subforum, the rare few though. I think it went something like "im a fish so i prefer more flippy high variance games" kinda thing but ya some people did say it, and others apparently thought they were more profitable and higher roi games after running well over a VERY short sample that was useless longterm.

Hey CMaximus,

Sorry I missed your post.

I like that idea, have passed it on to the product team.

Thanks