Again, you seem to be confused by very simple ideas. I will try again.

Their FAQ and actual policy are exactly the same. No difference. None. Zero.

Now is their enforcement of that policy the same as their FAQ? Seems very unlikely. Executing policy perfectly is not easy, and sometimes even impossible.

So then if you use software, that is against the TOS, you might get away with it. But then when one day you don't, you won't have any right to avoid the consequences because they simply hadn't enforced the policy for whatever reason.

Maybe an example will be helpful.

Your argument (and correct me if I am wrong) is equivalent to the following:

"Officer, you can't give me a ticket for speeding because you haven't pulled over every driver in the world that has ever gone over the speed limit"

They might give you a wry smile, but they still hand you a ticket and a court date.

Live in your ivory tower of ideals if you wish.

Use software you shouldn't if you wish.

Face the consequences of all of those decisions when and if they come. Welcome to life.

Thank you and very well said. I think you could have made the last few paragraphs into a haiku though.

The FAQ says anything. So if they want to enforce ANYTHING BEING USED they will.

From what it looks like global has a zero tolerance policy. I'm sure that also has to do with the "sweepstakes" model. They also most certainly are not going to say that one thing or another will be OK, that just opens up an entire world of but she said this and she said that...

FAQ (published rules) say no...

so no.

I agree that they don't want to say that one thing or the other because it ties them up in a sense.

To me though, its not fair that they allow certain programs which are termed RPP's(Revenue Production Programs), because those programs make them money.

I mean, if people would not be upset that Global allows certain software because it helps their bottom line, then maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree.

There have been several sites that have failed since Black Friday in the US.

I am so surprised that so many people want to give Global Poker a free pass and not question anything. I also believe that Global Poker has good intent, but they still need to be questioned on a regular basis to make sure any ill intent would be found now rather than later.

My intent when making this thread was for Global to make a definitive remark on such software and to close the matter.

And you reported this behavior to Global so they could take appropriate action?

Yep, and then what would happen when a piece of software re-brands, or someone else finds a new software advantage, and they have a public forum where they comment, closing themselves in. Now they can't enforce the policy. So the lawyers see this and say, "Write it as broadly as possible", then you can enforce the rules.


This. This is the thing that I just do not understand yet this attitude seems to prevail in the online poker community (RNG thread anyone).

I get it. Many sites have been crooked. I would even be willing to make a wager that more have been crooked that aren't.

But how is it, you are so arrogant you think that all of us are giving anyone a free pass. That no one is asking any questions, simply because we don't think the standard you setup is achievable or even desirable?

Is Global looking the other way on software that helps there bottom line and allowing it but banning others? Perhaps. I haven't seen any evidence of this, you haven't presented any. But I also am not dumb enough to think because I haven't seen evidence, it may not be happening, it is tough to prove a negative.

However, it is also possible (and I would argue more likely) what Global is doing is writing broad terms of service and then looking at things on a case by case basis. Maybe, just maybe not everyone is out to get you. Maybe, just maybe we actually did land on the moon.

I get that you are upset for some reason (that you haven't shared) my guess is you got banned for some reason or another, and now you want to have a "gotcha" thread. They aren't playing into your hand, move along.

Dude, you are dense. Like, super duper dense.

What you want is irrelevant. The world does not revolve around you or gaf about you. The rules are clear. If you or anyone breaks them, there are a full range of penalties that may or may not happen. No, you do not get to know exactly what. Get over it.

What are these "certain programs", and who terms them "RPP's(Revenue Production Programs)"?

Really don't think people without firsthand knowledge should be posting what is/isn't banned. You guys aren't tech support or customer service we can all read the FAQ.

Honestly the norm in the poker industry is turning a blind eye...no site allows you to VPN but I've literally never heard of anyone being banned by a site besides Stars for using one. I've personally VPN'd onto many Euro sites and skins and never once had an issue. People also blatantly seat-script on Stars to the point where they just got rid of regular tables.

Global said HH downloaders aren't allowed but didn't punish anyone for using them and then did a mass suspension wave an entire year after announcing HH downloaders weren't allowed. Obviously the smartest thing is to play it safe but it would be nice to know if we can use macros or some way of generating keyboard shortcuts from Global Poker in non-gif format not 2p2 users who've been to their website...

USE OF ANY NON-GLOBAL SOFTWARE IS AGAINST THE T.O.S.!!!!

USE SAID SOFTWARE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!

(ALWAYS WANTED TO MAKE A POST IN ALL CAPS. SORRY.)

So you comment on 2+2 threads but want responses from support personnel. If only you had a way to contact them....

https://globalpoker.com/page/support

This is literally their forum and I've gotten replies from GP support in the past by asking for it here (e.g. when myself and others couldn't deposit at all last summer GP resolved it quickly).

Obv right now I'm not using any software at all and would encourage others to do the same but it'd be nice to be able to use hotkeys...

Yes, I've reported a few players for various reasons. This is from August from their Game Integrity Team and I have seen no changes. I'm sure this may seem acceptable and irrelevant to many people, but it doesn't seem fair to the players that are not using software.








We are in the process of evaluating solutions for betting scripts and similar issues.

It is our belief that such issues are best tackled via software changes that prevent or limit the activity in the first place, as opposed penalizing those who partake. In other words, treating the cause rather than the symptom.

Additionally, these issues are seen in a different light compared to prohibited activities such as collusion or bot use due to the fact that there is no unfair advantage gained in gameplay itself.

Unfortunately, it is far too early for us to reveal any further details. We want to take the time to thoroughly evaluate our options to ensure that the solution we put in place does not have any unforeseen negative impact on our players.

Our ultimate goal here is to maintain the health of our site's poker ecology while acting in the best interest of our players.


Kind Regards,
Gavin

Completely agreed this is their forum, I totally get that and I also get that they answer questions here... but then other people can comment here as well... do you literally understand that?

"Really don't think people without firsthand knowledge should be posting what is/isn't banned. You guys aren't tech support or customer service we can all read the FAQ." - You

I am not arguing that you can't want an answer from them on this forum. I am not arguing the chance is 0 that they will answer here.

I am arguing that to tell the people who comment here you don't think they should be doing that is asinine. If all you want to hear from is one of their support reps then you clearly took the wrong path.

Post in a public forum, be okay with the public commenting... that is my point.

I am glad to hear it. Call me a skeptic, but I find that many people come to these forums and complain, but when you ask "Have you submitted a ticket" they hem and haw and make excuses as to why that shouldn't be the the path. The problem being that ticket metrics are often measured by companies and someone can say to the CEO "We have noticed a 10% rise in tickets asking about people using software on the website, I think we need to take a harder/different stance" but you know what conversation isn't happening. "Sir... there are lot of unhappy people on 2+2." So tickets are the way to go for sure, and 2+2 should be secondary. And I say this to you knowing you likely understand this, I am more laying it out for those that read behind and maybe don't understand this concept.

So if Global acknowledged the issue you pointed out to them, did not handle it in a satisfactory way as far as you are concerned, why are you still playing on Global?

Think whatever you wish, but every penny of rake you pay says to Global "I am just fine with the policies you have in place"

Many people don't play on Global for many reasons, but the ones that I just can't understand are the ones who complain "It isn't fair" but then go right on playing. Clearly it is fair enough.

I LOVE LAMP!

what is the ban time for using tabletamer? i only use it to arrange tables. I play on ignition and global at the same time. i am too lazy to arrange them manually. the only edge is i save a few seconds.

What about ICMIZER? Watching a twitch streamer use it while playing right now.

seeing this got my blood boiling.. please screenshot itt and dude needs an instaban permanently. It's one thing to use that great tool as a pre session warm up or post session/off time study tool but in game is 100% cheating in the most blatant way.

or at least post the name of the streamer you say you saw doing it PLEASE!!

I was in a SNG with him and he chatted about his twitch stream... then i check it out to see him using ICMIZER while playing. I have been watching the stream and haven't seen him use it since... maybe he didn't mean for it to be shown on the screen, but I saw it for sure 100%.

who is him? twitch streams are recorded i think, unless he deleted it.. I'm not a troll im a legit sng player fwiw thats why im pissed seeing this.

the more i think about are we sure "him" isn't "you"? If we dont see a screen name or a twitter name right quick im gonna go with the line of you asking if it's ok for yourself for some weird reason when the answer should be clear. Call him out or you look guilty yourself the way you presented it and replied to my post.

Is it possible he was using it to review a hand that was already over? I'm asking just because I've done this myself to review a hand that just ended while moving on to play other hands. The fact that he knows full well that he's streaming would make one think he's not going to be that scummy while people can see. Not that some people wouldn't do it anyway.

I mean it's not impossible to manually input a hand, positionally correct stack sizes, etc, into ICMizer and wait for it to calculate while that hand is in play, but you really don't have a lot of time to do so.

those are all good points, especially the part about inputting all the info in real time like u mentioned at the end but still... to review hands while streaming seems a bit much but i guess it's possible.

calm down. Its not me. I don't have ICMIZER, and I don't have a twitch stream.

And sagelee.. It is possible he wasn't using it in some nefarious manner. I'm not at all familiar with the program or how it is used exactly. I'm looking at the playback right now seeing if i can provide a screenshot.