Thanks for the clarification.

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I was at the final table of the low Eagle Cup tournament 14-L 5$ rebuy 1k guarantee where the player who is first on the leader board (hRivs34) said in chat as a viewer any one who knocked me out in 6th or worse would receive a $20 bounty via pay pal, the following hand I get my pocket tens in preflop for 200k and a player made a less then normal call with KQo vs the only other player who was near his stack.The players in chat proceed celebrate and talk about exchanging emails for payment . I seriously hope Global Poker has measures in place to protect the integrity of the game in such a great competition. I have two screen shots of some of the exchanges that took place.

https://imgur.com/wTONnd7

https://i.imgur.com/3ZbGQ2l.png

I have a feeling this call is way more standard than you are saying. What were the blinds and how much did you jam for?

I mean it's a bit unethical on his part but no one knows for sure if he would actually send any money to them and I imagine the prize jumps at the FT are way more important than the $20 bounty on your head. I doubt anyone is going to risk their chip position at the FT when the pay jumps are significant because of heresy.

Sounds like the rail had some fun at your expense and you should take your L like a man and move on with your life.

Really TDK?

It seems like hRivs was attempting to affect the Player of the Month leaderboard, as a spectator at a final table, by offering a bounty for a player that had the possibility of catching them...

Please note that kefka was in 1st place during 10/13/17 (currently in 2nd place as i type this), and hRivs was obviously anti-sweating them to ensure their place in the top of the leaderboard.

Regardless of the events of a particular hand (of a given hand that other players may or may not play different, depending on the bounty that may or may not actually be paid out...), isn't that the definition of collusion? A player, not in the tournament, attempting to affect the gameplay for their own personal gain?

This should certainly be checked out by GP, and even warrants its own thread (in my opinion) if not seen quickly by proper decision makers.

Edit - i'm not quite sure what the proper repercussions should be (if any?), but should be addressed asap

I was one of the players at the table. I'm trying to remember how bad the guy who made the KQ call was. I guess I can't, but it's definitely relevant. In any case, the only person who might have done something wrong was the person offering the bounty; all of the "celebratory" chat relative to your hand occurred after the hand was over.

But some guy saying something on the rail is quite normal afaik, and I fail to see how anyone could police that in any meaningful way (short of eliminating chat at FTs).

Is the behavior of the 3rd party acceptable if the player at the FT "seemed" bad enough to call an all-in with KQ for however many big blinds it was?

The intent of the third-party in the chat (if true, assuming no doctored images, etc etc) is collusion-ary. If the leader in the clubhouse offering bounties to eliminate the 2nd place player not considered collusion (regardless of whether the bounty is paid out or not), then what is the minimum qualification for collusion?

Kefka, stop getting butt hurt. Sounds like you were just a little upset that you FT'd all 3 Eagle events and couldn't get top 5 in either. AFTER running suuuuuper pure, you should just accept your loss. Obviously, I didn't pay anyone for a bounty... And your accusation of us exchanging email info is completely false. No one ever did that. Lastly, no one is going to risk the ladder for a $20 bounty.

Stop crying, and lets play poker.

PS: Do you have your avatar yet??

#1 - Not obvious. if that person is in the chat saying that they are going to pay a bounty, it seems like a bounty would be paid. When the words "$20via PayPal if you knock kefka out in 6th or before" are typed in the chat, it does not seem obvious to me that the money will not be paid out.

(I am assuming that was said based off of the image posted by BovadaBorgata in post #79. If that image was doctored, for whatever reason, then obviously my opinion changes)

#2 - Even if the bounty wasn't paid out...

If the proclamation is enough to affect the game, and enough to affect someone's (everybody's?) chances of winning the player of the month award, that is NOT right

How would i have sent him $20 if email info was never discussed in chat, nor instructions on how to retrieve this info?

There were a number of people talking about Kefka in the chat (concerning his pure run) before i even jumped in. I was just fueling the fire, and everyone else knew i was joking.

Personally, I couldn't care less if you actually paid out on the $20 that you typed into chat that you said you would pay, or if you decided not to pay out the $20 bet (that you were convinced everyone knew you were kidding about somehow?)

if that is written in chat, (and players assume that they will actually collect extra money [which i do not know how you can assume that other people know you are kidding or will not pay out...]) that affects the integrity of that particular tournament, and the Player of the Month series as a whole.

EDIT - And then additionally adding a $20 bounty on poker12, who is currently in 4th place as I type this, after kefka gets eliminated? again, whether you are actually paying out the bounty, or offering the bounty and then not paying doesn't matter to me. if that is affecting the game, that is not right.

If I am the only one that is worked up about this, then I suppose I will quiet down. It doesn't seem right to me that leader in the player of the month contest can give (real or fake?) bribe/bounty offers in order to encourage random third parties to eliminate the closest competitor. If everyone is cool with this, I will retreat to the corner...

You are the only one in this post that feels that way, excluding Kefka. Read above posts, and see TheDarkKnight's post

If you were involved in the chat and were aware of the chat "vibe," you would have known it was a joke.

Just out of curiosity, do you assume that all of the players at the final table were aware of the chat "vibe", and that you were just joking and you were not gonna pay out the bounty that you said you were going to?

In the second image by BovadaBorgata in post #79, it appears that Zwren (I'm assuming this was the player who got the knockout?) says "I'll send you my email address". I wonder if they were aware of your chat vibe or not...

Yup, you're right.

It has been ~1 hour since i voiced my opinion on this. We will see what people think (including GP reps) once people presumably wake up. It is almost 2 AM on the east coast

If I am the only one who thinks that it's not right for the leader in the Player of the Month to be giving (real or fake) bribes/bounties on players that are approaching them in the points leaderboard, then I will recede to the background, as I said I would.

...I STILL think it's not right, but...

Show me the post where the email address was sent. There isn't one, because he knew it was a joke. It sounds like $20 is a lot of money to you. Maybe you are wishing you were collecting a bounty. Anyway, I wouldn't have cared if Kefka won the damn mtt. There is so much time left in this event that anyone can still win. A few points from one mtt, at this point, doesn't effect my chances at winning overall.

For the tender hearted and easily offended, I won't have fun with the rail anymore. It seems that only the soft voice something like this. IMO, a little toughness and ability to take a joke is dwindling from some, if not most.

I was not sweating the final table. Based on the 2 images that BovadaBorgata posted in post 79, it doesn't appear that the player's email address was posted in chat. As I've maintained in my multiple posts...I sort of don't care whether the bounty that you offered was actually paid or not. If the bounty offer in chat is affecting the game and players' decision making (and, effectively, the Player of the Month leader board as a whole), that is not right, and not fair, in my opinion.

I'm not sure how you can say it was a joke, because..

1.) Zwren says "I'll send you my email address", implying that he is expecting to receive on the bribe/bounty that you offered up.


2.) After hRivs34 says "now $20 more on poker 12" [again, 4th in the leaderboard as i write this post], Zwren says "I may get more on bounties than the payout at this rate".

Again, based on the text in the chat of the 2nd image of post 79, it doesn't seem like he knew it was a joke.

That's a lot of assumptions about my financial status. $20 might purchase my next bottle of vodka, but I should be able to manage purchasing one on my own.

Welp, it kinda seems like you do, seeing as you were sitting at the final table as an observer, and offering a (real or fake?) bounty on the person who eliminated the 2nd place player on the leaderboard...and then proceding to offer the same (real or fake?) bounty on the player who is currently 4th on the leaderboard.

I think you and I both know that the final Player of the Month leaderboard could come down to ~50 points (the difference between 1st place and 6th place, which you seemed to be hoping kefka would be eliminated at). The current difference between 1st place and 2nd place is 25 points, so a few places in a single final table could definitely swing the leaderboard, in my opinion. But that is neither here nor there.

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Again, it is 2 am on the east coast, and i am logging off for the night.

I'm poker12.

I was trying to say that he might be calling in that spot regardless. I mean, it's hard to believe that we (the players at the table) would believe that a 20 dollar bounty would compel anybody to play differently at that final table.

I agree that it is collusion-y, but I don't think hrivs had that in mind, he just wanted kefka and then me to lose. I also thought, on the other hand, that he was intending to actually pay that bounty, so ...

Edit: pretty sure I was in 3rd at the time; he "offered" the bounty against the two next players, lol.

More to the point, and I said this somewhere else, but I don't know how anybody could police this activity at all except for to eliminate the chat, at least at FTs.

Like I said... it's a bit unethical but if I were a player at the FT I would think it was funny... not something that I thought would actually change the outcome of the game. Shrug.

I agree, there is not really any preventive controls for this. Something like this would really only be able to be dealt with detective controls (qed, dealt with after the fact)

Okay, I will quiet down I suppose.

Personally, I am not super close in the Player of the Month series (although am still going for it!). I imagined I would be mad about this if I was near the top of the leaderboard, although the player who is currently in 4th place seems cool about it.

gl gl to everyone

Lol I stopped even giving these Eagle cup tournaments after i saw the first few days of "GTD" bs... so let me get this straight the daily 4k is $5 and your highly promoted eagle cup events were $5 1k???? and exceeded the gtd by 4x? gtfo

Nothing ethically wrong with hrivs34 jokingly putting a bounty on kefka. Lighten up some and just be thankful that we actually have online poker back in the U.S. again.

There's still two weeks of the promotion left, look out guys, I'm coming for ya. Ran like **** to start this thing but still plenty of time left.

These series are a lot of fun. For me most of the tourneys are at dinner time and there's no way I'm giving up a month of dinner to compete for the overall awards but I'm rooting for you guys I've played with. As for the guarantees you can't really blame them for underestimating their success. I'd bet they will be upped for the next series.

QL