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Global giving 50k seats to winning players, erasing overlay Global giving 50k seats to winning players, erasing overlay

12-17-2018 , 02:05 PM
It has come to my attention that, about 7 minutes til end of late reg in the Sunday Scrimmage 50k, Global has been buying winning regulars into the tournament.

This not only erases the overlay, which is direct value taken from the players who bought in or sattied in, it is further reducing every player's EV because the players being gifted the seats are winning players.

I in no way blame the players offered the seats for taking the freeroll, but this is unethical on Global's side. If Global's attitude is that "if we are going to have to pay an overlay might as well get goodwill from players".....then you should 1) make it public you intend to do this
2) make the ability to win these seats you're giving away fair and unbiased (allin every hand satty 10 minutes before late reg closes with some sort of gold coin hands played requirement to enter the freeroll)

I'm bringing this up because it's apparently been going on quietly.
To be clear I do give Global the benefit of the doubt that they didn't mean any harm by this and thought they were doing a good thing....it does seem that they are sort of naive to gambling ethics and implications of this on the players who bought in were not obvious to them.

The ethical thing to do here is:
1) pay the overlay, dont give seats away last minute that erase overlay
2) lower the guarantee so you lower your overlay exposure
3) if you insist on giving seats away that erase the overlay make that public knowledge and make the ability to win those seats open and random for all instead of you picking favorites behind the scenes
12-17-2018 , 06:32 PM
Solid point.
12-17-2018 , 07:00 PM
How do you know this, are you sure they are not just late regging?
12-17-2018 , 07:51 PM
People on a lot of threads on different topics always have a story to tell but never post the source or proof of any kind. When asked about proof they do reply a few times, but, still without any screenshots, links or proof to their story. And then "poof" they are gone and we never know the real story. So the obvious question is...how do you know this and where is the proof? Are you a winning player who received an invite or ticket? Do tell us. Post screen shots, links, sources, addresses, phone numbers, E-mails, etc.
12-17-2018 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by shawnb4595
People on a lot of threads on different topics always have a story to tell but never post the source or proof of any kind. When asked about proof they do reply a few times, but, still without any screenshots, links or proof to their story. And then "poof" they are gone and we never know the real story. So the obvious question is...how do you know this and where is the proof? Are you a winning player who received an invite or ticket? Do tell us. Post screen shots, links, sources, addresses, phone numbers, E-mails, etc.
I know of at least 2 players, at least one who is a member here, who have received the freeroll. I do have proof and would prefer not out the player names.
(Proof in form of screenshots)

The question on if I’m lying can be easily put to rest: The Global rep for this forum can either confirm or deny they have been doing this—they will either confirm, or I’ll prove they are lying

So Global rep: will you confirm that my statement you have been giving away seats is accurate?
12-17-2018 , 08:35 PM
Buying regs in will provide a disincentive for guys to late reg with their own money so they are costing themselves money.
12-17-2018 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by AmAtEuR_backwards
I do have proof and would prefer not...
...(yadda, yadda, yadda) Just like I said. Never any evidence or proof. Onto the next story. This thread is now closed.

NH, GG, GL
12-18-2018 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by shawnb4595
...(yadda, yadda, yadda) Just like I said. Never any evidence or proof. Onto the next story. This thread is now closed.

NH, GG, GL
Global doesn’t deny the practice. And the thread is not closed.
12-18-2018 , 11:23 AM
If it is happening, I agree Global needs to disclose that it is what is happening. But it also wouldn't shock me if it was happening and it hasn't been disclosed. I think Party Poker live did something very similar recently.
12-18-2018 , 12:51 PM
I've never understood why players feel entitled to overlay.

The tournament is guaranteeing a prize pool.
How they get there, is up to them.
12-18-2018 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ohmyrage
I've never understood why players feel entitled to overlay.

The tournament is guaranteeing a prize pool.
How they get there, is up to them.
So you’d be ok with them putting house players/employees in for the seats they’d have to pay overlay for and Global pocketing prize money won ....?
12-18-2018 , 02:18 PM
"Screenname: rUeTaMa.
Sustained 100%-120% avg roi at MTT over entire span at global poker.

It’s rigged.
I’ve posted 7 different hands on the Facebook group where I correctly folded KK pre (AA was out). 3 were hand history’s 2 were videos and 2 were screenshots. AA was shown in 6/7 instances for verification and the player claimed he had AA in the 7th in chat but that’s the only one where what I posted didn’t verify AA was actually out.
On 7/4 I won the $33 2r1a 10k (again...yawn) and picked up KK with a 10k stack right before break at 100/200. Told my friend AA was out and should fold but “lol **** it” called anyway and was right. AA was out and held. Back to 4k. Would have been 8/8 on expoit folding KK pre when all the factors for the rigged setup were present.

There are no spots I folded it and AA wasn’t out. There ARE spots I didn’t fold it and AA was out—so I’m not 100% on hero folding KK when AA is out but I am 100% correct the times I’ve folded KK.

The sight runs huge sng losers and cash losers hot in the bigger tourneys. If you have a high roi at MTTs you literally cannot win a meaningful pot at cash games. It steals your money to redistribute thus more churn = more rake.
The site uses and elo like rating system that scores players, most likely based on avg cEV/hand played. It skews the equity in every spot toward the player with the lower rating ...so if you’re a good player Vs a slightly worse reg your 80/20 is like 77/33 but Vs a fish you’re like 70/30. (Also if the worse player has the 80/20 he still gets an equity boost so better player has 12-18% instead of 20%—ever notice when fish has best hand it seems to always hold??)

This elo like rating system constantly self corrects: when you win a pot your rating increases and when you lose one (even if it’s one where you were favorite and had equity shifted to the worse player) it lowers. So you’ll get less equity stolen in your next confrontation than you did before. This is also why the equities run closer to reality between good regs (and also in the higher stakes nightly tourneys as a whole bc it’s mostly regs)

This is the way it’s rigged. The result IS to lower win rates and thus increase churn (more rake)

Some other global stuff:
It almost always doubles most of the short stacks within 2 of the bubble and tends to setup winning regs with hands they know we will get in as “standard” bc we don’t worry about the bubble. This guarantees one +EV player busts and moves the entire fish group still in up pay grades.
If you blind down to almost nothing it almost always delivers a “real hand” in your forced allin bb (you don’t win it any abnormal amount of the time but you almost always get a hand you’d have shoved 10bbs with )"

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...=#post54055672

Yup no proof posted lets take this guys word!
12-18-2018 , 03:20 PM
Again....what bearing does the messenger’s opinion of the sites RNG have to do with this?

Is it less harmful to the players who buy into this tourney for Global to replace 4-6k of overlay with 20-30 winning midstakes players—some of which are paid affiliates—just because the guy who exposed it made a post in the riggie thread months ago ?

You look silly posting that.
It’s been proven my info was correct: people have admitted on the players forum to receiving the entry via private message
12-18-2018 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by AmAtEuR_backwards
Again....what bearing does the messenger’s opinion of the sites RNG have to do with this?

Is it less harmful to the players who buy into this tourney for Global to replace 4-6k of overlay with 20-30 winning midstakes players—some of which are paid affiliates—just because the guy who exposed it made a post in the riggie thread months ago ?

You look silly posting that.
It’s been proven my info was correct: people have admitted on the players forum to receiving the entry via private message

No you look silly believing whats in that post you made.

Ok you've got random accounts sending you private messages. Show us the emails global sent them confirming that their getting a free entry into tourneys at the last second.
12-18-2018 , 03:40 PM
There's another forum where people are admitting to having received free tickets.
12-18-2018 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by riggity
There's another forum where people are admitting to having received free tickets.
This^^
Thank you. Feel free to post screenshots of that or confirm they received a PM saying they would be given free entry at last minute if could play it but entry could not be used for a later date. Must use to late reg that tourney or lose it.
12-18-2018 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by riggity
There's another forum where people are admitting to having received free tickets.
Ok theirs a forum where some guy claims its rigged and theirs a elo system. Hes up 12k in mtts so its rigged and cash players/sng players cant win in other formats on global due to riggedness. He knows tricks though he can fold KK to AA cause he sees setups. Can i post ive got proof its rigged because some guy admits to knowing its rigged?

If you want to make a posts like this then post proof of the emails from global poker offering the free entry. When a riggie is claiming theirs paid affiliates playing in the mtts and 30-40 winning regs he knows about getting bought into fill overlay those are some big claims.People say all kinds of stuff on the internet. Theirs a guy who makes multiple accounts on here and trys to spread falsehoods about this site.

I'm sure it could be true. This is the internet though and taking claims of theirs another forum where some guy said something isnt proving anything.
12-18-2018 , 03:55 PM
Not sure how you're using one person's "riggie" history to disclaim half a dozen other people's claims of getting a ticket. This is a forum where people cannot be anonymous.
12-18-2018 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by riggity
Not sure how you're using one person's "riggie" history to disclaim half a dozen other people's claims of getting a ticket. This is a forum where people cannot be anonymous.

I havent seen the half dozen other peoples claims. I've seen yours and a guy who says high roi mtt/sng players cant win meaningful pots in cash due to riggedness on top of tons of other wild claims. I know for FACT that claim is false due to knowing multiple players who win in both on global including myself and have high ROIs. So im clearly skeptical of anything he says without evidence posted.
12-18-2018 , 04:29 PM
OK so how do we know this is what happened? Do they send out links to these "winning players" to redeem tickets?

I got a free $33 ticket in an email yesterday to use in one of the upcoming Christmas tournaments. Does this count?

Do we know those players didn't satellite in last minute?

If the players are keeping their full winnings without giving anything back to GP then what keeps them from giving away "sweepstakes tickets" at anytime (redeemed at the start or end of the registration period is not important).

Looking at that event... First hour is 15 minute blinds, starting 10/20 w/ 10K starting... Coming in at the end of the break with 75/150 blinds and 10K stacks, that is like coming in with a 66bb stack and not wasting an hour of your life... Heck, I'd rather start with 66bb with hopefully a majority of the reckless players out of the way... So why not just buy in late? Coming in level 5 with 50/100 starting with 100bb is standard.

Cash games are played very differently from MTT / SNG's.
12-18-2018 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SuitedJunk
OK so how do we know this is what happened? Do they send out links to these "winning players" to redeem tickets?

I got a free $33 ticket in an email yesterday to use in one of the upcoming Christmas tournaments. Does this count?

Do we know those players didn't satellite in last minute?

If the players are keeping their full winnings without giving anything back to GP then what keeps them from giving away "sweepstakes tickets" at anytime (redeemed at the start or end of the registration period is not important).

Looking at that event... First hour is 15 minute blinds, starting 10/20 w/ 10K starting... Coming in at the end of the break with 75/150 blinds and 10K stacks, that is like coming in with a 66bb stack and not wasting an hour of your life... Heck, I'd rather start with 66bb with hopefully a majority of the reckless players out of the way... So why not just buy in late? Coming in level 5 with 50/100 starting with 100bb is standard.

Cash games are played very differently from MTT / SNG's.
I have screenshots proving it, including that paid affiliates have received a seat. There is a public post on the Global Poker Players Forun confirming at least one player receiving a ticket as I describe. This confirms my assertion without me outing my sources or other recipients screennames (which the players didn’t do anything wrong).

The fact it’s happening is not disputable. Even Global doesn’t dispute it.

The difference between this and them giving a ticket ahead of time, which the player can use anytime and one happens to late reg with that ticket is VAST:
Global giving the ticket ahead of time means they eat the $218 when the tourney gets 230 or more players ($218x230=50k met).
Global is only giving tickets away when the guarantee ISNT met. This isn’t Global giving away $218 from its wallet. It’s Global giving away $218 from an overlay that rightfully belongs to the players who bought in/sattied in—including those who would late reg themselves on their own dollar.

Giving it away ahead of time is global taking a risk.
Giving it away at the last minute is stealing equity from a group of players and redistributing it to another.

Over 80% of respondents to the public poll on Twitter, most of whom are professional poker players, find this unethical.
12-18-2018 , 06:37 PM
Come tourneys overall every single time though so what if they give away seats ahead of time to those(not on global but other sites)
12-18-2018 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by AmAtEuR_backwards
I have screenshots proving it, including that paid affiliates have received a seat. There is a public post on the Global Poker Players Forun confirming at least one player receiving a ticket as I describe. This confirms my assertion without me outing my sources or other recipients screennames (which the players didn’t do anything wrong).

The fact it’s happening is not disputable. Even Global doesn’t dispute it.

The difference between this and them giving a ticket ahead of time, which the player can use anytime and one happens to late reg with that ticket is VAST:
Global giving the ticket ahead of time means they eat the $218 when the tourney gets 230 or more players ($218x230=50k met).
Global is only giving tickets away when the guarantee ISNT met. This isn’t Global giving away $218 from its wallet. It’s Global giving away $218 from an overlay that rightfully belongs to the players who bought in/sattied in—including those who would late reg themselves on their own dollar.

Giving it away ahead of time is global taking a risk.
Giving it away at the last minute is stealing equity from a group of players and redistributing it to another.

Over 80% of respondents to the public poll on Twitter, most of whom are professional poker players, find this unethical.
If you have screenshots then POST THEM??? Why beat around the bush?
12-18-2018 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by IPlayNLHE
If you have screenshots then POST THEM??? Why beat around the bush?
I have sent Bobo Fett the screenshots. He can verify everything I say is true.
There’s no need to post them and publicly out players or my sources.

Global doesn’t deny it either. That should be evidence enough (their experience is that lying when I can prove it doesn’t turn out well, such as when they lied about the 40k rattlesnake overlay payout)
12-18-2018 , 09:59 PM
I took a screen shot in the thread too... To protect the name I wills state what it says...

In response to the question - who got ticket...

"Yes I was this past Sunday"

someone asks "Can you expand on the details of how this went down?"

"No can not lol, but it did happen and they had an overlay so I think they gave a few people tickets"

It doesn't say specifically WHEN the ticket was issued just that he got a ticket. Later says that it expires on



I guess later in the thread this user said he was messaged on facebook if he didn't use it today it would be removed...


Ok so that confirms it... But who cares? It is doing to a player in the community. He isn't staked by GP or sponsored in anyway... It isn't like the Party Poker shady dealings...

Heck... if I know a site is willing to give tickets when there is an overlay to people I'd try to get on their radar.

GP gives no rakeback, no clearable bonuses... I'm sure they have some kind of sweeps giveaway quota to meet to qualify for sweepstakes gaming so let them do it. At least they aren't running bots to "fill the overlay."


The ticket I got in an email a couple of days ago is for $33 christmas events. There may or may not be an overlay but I got a ticket for free nothing asked, no contest. I'll take it and use it.

Also... If it is $218 - 200 goes into the pool, 18 is the tournament entry fee... so 250 players need to meet the guaranteed prize pool amount.

      
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