haha on the bright side my initial reaction to receiving that info is that the games aren't filling as fast as GP had hoped for and designed the seating algorithm to serve. A lot of the sngs regs were afraid of the traffic being cannibalized but maybe it isn't actually happening? If so its probably due to the poor game structures high rake and prize structures along with lack of recent winners list and hhs. I bet recs love the 2x bi pp repeatedly, when they manage to win a game.

these arent tracked on sharkscope either it seems, not a good start

Yeah it's a big problem that the seating alg opens too many tables in an attempt to split games. Lots of times you'll be sitting with multiple others across tables and not a single game will be running. Can be a problem just getting games to start at some hours even with 4 or 5 people regging.

As for multis...I've certainly hit my share of 4 and 6xs, there's a lot of multiplier variance but it's to be expected. Doubt anything shady is going on there.

Sharkscope is for losers,cheaters, and people who have no respect for the game. Go to your local casino and ask for scouting reports on how people play that you never played with and see how fast you get punched in the face.

If only 4-5 others are regging sounds to me like maybe there isn't the traffic or interest to support them altogether. I'm sure getting rid of them is unrealistic but one can hope. I have expected them to be pretty popular and have a big hit on reg sng games but the low and mirco lobbies don't seem much smaller than they were a couple weeks ago and if there's that few people playing the jackpots at times, unless you're talking about the middle of night or early am..

The difference is I roll the dice that is between me and the dice and not some big corporation in the middle. In case you haven't heard, it is regular practice for big corporations to lie, cheat, and steal to boost profits. Not saying they are doing that. Only saying your comment is incredibly naive in the current business climate.

lmao, wtf did Sharkscope do to you? Also, you can go to hendon mob and find people's cashes in live tournaments... soo...

So when a person clicks reg a tables opens up and they're seated immediately is what you're saying? I refuse to play a single one of those games so idk how they work but on WPN and i think stars don't they pop when games fill like normal sngs? I did play some on WPN and that'w what I remember.

What you're saying is that on GP tables open as soon as a single person regs, and I'm guessing you're regging a few at a time so multiple tables pop up and then as more individual players reg there's one added to the 1st game, 1 to the next and another into a 3rd and even a fourth seated with you all at different tables of the same stakes while none are filled or start? Seems like a lot of server work and a turn off for recs that try to play more than one, can't unreg unless it's auto after 5 mins, weird.

ok ill do that since id love to continue this rational dialogue

Yes, other times you can continuously 4 table 50s basically no problem. There is generally enough traffic even with the seating alg, but in low traffic times sometimes it can be rough to get games at 15s + 50s because they spawn too many tables.

There are also often times during low traffic when not a single $10+ sng is running, would you suggest that "there isn't the traffic or interest and one can hope to get rid of normal sngs" as well? Or are you just biased against spins? Funny given you admit in your next post that you haven't played one.

On WPN they pop like normal sngs mostly (except that the lobby is blind), on PS you are instantly seated but can unreg at any time. On global you're "locked into" the game for 5 mins, and after 5 mins can unreg if it doesn't pop.

Yes, this is basically correct. However, there is a reason to do this. Imagine you have 3 people all decide to play 2 tables at the same time...with no seating algorithm, you'd have the same 3 guys in both games. Filling the tables a bit more randomly allows for different opponents/different matchups in games while registering normally, as opposed to clustering the same players together based on when you register. It's definitely good for the games, especially because you can't see who's in the lobby before deciding whether or not to play. The problem isn't that they do this, it's that they spawn a few too many tables. If they lowered the spawned table cap before filling games slightly, it would work perfectly and everyone would quickly get games against varied opponents.

For what it's worth, many sites (including pokerstars) don't have spins tracked on scope. I do think they should be trackable everywhere, but it's (weirdly) somewhat standard practice.

Thanks for the detailed reply. Yes I am extremely biased against jp sngs, not so much so on a regulated site like stars that also has a widely accepted rng and hh's where it can be verified and collusion and bots can be detected by players. The way GP currently operates I am extremely opposed to them spreading jp sngs.

As far as getting rid of non jp sngs no, i see the thought process you are having but.. Seeing as how jp sngs start with 3 players not 6 or 9, and they are designed for rec players logic would suggest that more rec players would play jp's than non jp sngs regardless of time of day. Unless the %'s of recs and non-recs is different for different periods through out the day which it probably is.

If I'm not mistaken are you not a hu sng specialist that's been pulling for that game format also? If anybody is biased and pulling for these within the poker comm I think it's that group and only that group. JP sngs are the closest thing to a hu sng that a site that won't offer hu sngs has for those who didn't know so the HU sng specialists love the jp's.

edit - this is like the most non transparent thing they could offer, no hh's no sharkscope, no reporting on recent winners, no watching of games. The built in hhs on their site doesn't even work for sngs or mts so unless one records everything in real time, like every hand played there is no way to verify anything regardless of how many games one plays or $ they win or lose. It's all a guessing game.

I understand this take, but I haven't seen any particular evidence that shady stuff has been going on in global games, and I've played a fair few normal sngs there.

Hard to say -- 6 max sngs also run much more frequently than 4max ones on global despite 4s being faster and needing fewer players to fire. And from what I've seen, the games should have 24/7 liquidity if they tweaked the seating algorithm a bit.

This is correct and global adding spins is definitely a good thing for me personally. However, I didn't particularly advocate for spins and I've posted several negative things about spins as implemented on global. Insofar as I've advocated for spins, it's been mostly to try and correct some misconceptions the broader poker community tends to have about spins (unbeatable, no skill, etc).

I 100% agree that not having sng hhs is a joke, but that's not an issue unique to spins on Global. I also do wish they had winner reports and reported to SS, but to be fair several major sites (PS, party) don't do those things so I'm not too pressed about it personally. They would be nice, though. Not disagreeing here.

Idk how to do the fancy multi quote thing so i'll reply to your last posts replies in order. Thanks for the good discussion it's refreshing and I can respect a lot of what you're saying, and will probably agree to disagree in the end lol.

1. Shady stuff - I agree I've not seen evidence of shadiness and I've played a fair amount as well. I would like hh's for reasons other than verifying the rng ofc i wont lie but if I'm winning at top "industry projected" roi's over a reasonable sample it's hard to complain or stop playing regardless of my feels.

2. I don't think the 4max games should be counted for traffic tracking or liquidity estimates. They are an obscure unpopular game that have always had significantly less traffic than any other 6 or 9 man offering pretty much from what I saw. 24/7 liquidity for multitabling the 50$ spins i guess is good news in some ways. I can't really comment on how the jp's have affected the med and hs lobbies I need to start watching them.

3. Thank you for the honesty. I will confirm that jp's on wpn and stars are beatable not from personal experience but I've seen enough over the years to know. IIRC there was a fella that made a prop bet shortly after stars introduced them idk the terms exactly but i think he made 11% roi over a pretty big sample and won the bet. They are just MUCH higher variance games. A lot of people don't consider, or care i guess, that the 2/100k jp sngs that you need to "run even" also has variance involved. The 100k games prize pool that's advertised is not gtd for individual players. And who is going to play 100k of these on gp anyway?

4. The major sites you mentioned, do they at least have one or the other though? HHs available or winnings(ers) to ss? List of recent winners in the client and nothing else is kinda meh imo, makes me feel a bit better but if that's all there is to see or track it's pretty useless. Is there a site other than global that has literally no way of tracking results other than poker and social media reports? Does iggy not have the anon hhs enabled for their jp's? If anybody is a proponent for protecting recs it's them, how are they going about it?

I glad you feel superior but back in the day it was against the Pokerstars TOS to use sharkscope while PS was running. Just think about it. In what world should you have info on players you never played against? It is bad for poker.

Yes, I mainly want hhs for tracking and review purposes as well.

I agree with you that 4s are an obscure game that don't run a super high frequency. Note that I was responding to the point that "jps will run more because they need fewer players to fire than 6s" or something like that. My counterexample is that 4s don't really run despite meeting that same criteria. If JPs run a bunch and cannibalize other sng traffic, I think it'll mainly be because they're more enjoyable for recs, and not because needing 3 people to fire is way more favorable -- otherwise you'd expect to see more 4s traffic.

Yes, realistically speaking you should remove those highest multi games (especially the jp tier but arguably the top 2 or 3 tiers) when running variance and ev numbers. A simple thing to do would be to estimate your roi by chip ev and then chop off about 1.5% to account for the fact that you likely won't hit "your share" of the jackpots. Theoretically speaking, it would be better for players if they had (for example) 1/100k jp and rebalanced the other jp game money into having more 4 or 6x multipliers. On the flip side, the prospect of spiking a huge jp just from firing a game doesn't exist in other sng variants and is part of what makes spins attractive and is part of what keeps spin fields full of recreational players. I do think that reworking the structure somewhat (1/100k instead of 2/100k and maybe a 1% rake reduction at 50s) baked into more 4x and 6x multis would make the games more sustainable, but given my results on global thus far maybe the games are sustainable anyway

As far as I know, every other site at least has hh tracking for spins. The only reason I'm not hugely up in arms about this is because global has never had sng hh tracking, so it's just not a surprise that they also don't have it for spins. Rather, hh tracking is a big feature they really should add for all sngs...including spins.

how about superusers? how about collusion rings? how about making sure the site is properly distributing the multipliers? in this world you should have info on the games being provided, the players, and the network's stats as well

What happens if you close a table before the tournament starts? Does it unregister you? Pop back up when it fills? Sit you out and you lose?

QL

Fake news tough guy, floormen actively look to see who is losing and literally call players to come play vs the bad players in live card rooms you dunce.

Never been offered this service? You are one of the fish whose name is getting thrown around to start games, or you play micros. Either way total DUNCE!!!

I'm wondering this as well. One time, it unregistered me and I got my money back. The other time, it didn't unregister, and I haven't gotten my money back.

Did I just lose some money because of Global crap software?

One time I closed a table as a test and couldn't figure out how to get it back open...wound up logging out and reopening the software to get the table to open up again. I think if you close the table while still logged in you're not unregged (at least until the 5 minute timer is up), though I could be wrong about this.

It's actually a big problem, kind of forgot about it so didn't post. I'd recommend emailing them or trying to talk to kimbr because not getting auto unregged in games that haven't started yet when you dc or misclick close the table/site is just brutally bad and they should find a solution for it.

It’s crazy just joined 3 50$ jackpot spins and there was one person in each. They all ended up leaving. They need to get their software better this happens way too much

You can't "leave" a Jackpot SNG after you register. The software automatically cancels the SNG after 5 minutes if it can't get 3 players.

The problem is volume at the $50s, not people "leaving".

This is just wrong. After 5 minutes there is a pop-up that allows you to either remain at the table or deregister. The game is not automatically canceled.

When it's late night and you have 4 players sitting 3 player games and not a single game is running, there is a problem with the site algorithm. It's very frustrating that they haven't adjusted the table spawn rates.

Played 11 Jackpot SnGs so far. First 9 were 2x, tenth was 4x, and eleventh was 2x.

So 10/11 were 2x for me.

I've played several $2 Jackpots and have seen 20x 3 times. Waiting for that jackpot!