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Originally Posted by IWishIWas
I start with saying while most shorties are braindead. So I'm not overestimating the competency of them. But for those that aren't braindead you create many favorable situations for yourself preflop. UTG opens 3x with AQ, button calls with 44, you are in BB with 10bb and 88. You are either going to be three way for a triple up, or playing heads up for 23bb. If/when bots start playing here they will all buy in 10bb and give themselves an edge.
People over-estimate what bots can do in multi-way situations. Even with a 10bb bot it is quite hard to create winning strategies for several reasons..
Being that equilibrium strategies, which are strongest heads up, start to fall apart in multi-way scenarios and equilibrium is not even guaranteed to be a break-even strategy multi-way, while it is heads up (w/out rake). If a programmer decided not to use equilibrium strategies for their bot (an exploitative bot), then the bot would likely have
huge holes in it's game and would be highly exploitable - therefore, the bot wouldn't play at stakes that were high enough to make decent money and players shouldn't worry about bots for that reason.
I have seen
loads of players claiming that there are bots on GP but I can
guarantee there is no bots that sit and play mutli-way cash games at 100nl+. The only people that even could closely resemble bots are half-stackers, or less, that sit and try to play heads up, when you are sitting at a 6max table, trying to start a game. And even those players I would be hesitant about calling bots as most of them are making large fundamental errors. That is why you may see myself sit at 6max tables and sit out until 2+ people sit down to play with me.
Lastly, the situation you described is lacking any supporting math to claim these short stackers can "give themselves an edge". You don't give any EV calculations nor do you describe the probability of any given player having a particular holding/range.
You could sit around waiting for 10bb scenario where you have 88+, AQo+ so that you can shove and steal the pot or get called and play for 20-30bb or whatever the pot be but that range is so tight that you will be folding too often while in the blinds, that you will lose money in the long run. So yes, 88 is a profitable shove in that scenario you described, but that only describes one scenario and not a FULL STRATEGY for the game. If bots were easy to create as you think then they would be all over the place and that just is not the case.